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Salaries for college football coaches back on rise
    #597281 - 11/17/11 11:47 AM (5 years, 18 days ago)

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Jimbo Fisher got a raise of roughly $950,000 after last season, his first as head football coach at Florida State, boosting his pay to about $2.8 million.

So, at a time of tightening budgets, how does a public employee get a 50% raise of nearly $1 million after one year on the job?

"You're always looking at whether or not you have the potential to lose a good coach and end up having to pay more in order to get the next one," Florida State President Eric Barron says.

That sort of inflationary reasoning is a factor in the rapid rise in salaries of major-college head football coaches. An analysis by USA TODAY found that in 2006 the average pay for major-college coaches was $950,000 — coincidentally, about the amount of Fisher's raise after last season.

The average compensation in 2011 is $1.47 million, a jump of nearly 55% in six seasons.

In the six conferences with automatic Bowl Championship Series bids, the average salary rose from $1.4 million in 2006 to $2.125 million in 2011. That's a jump of about 52% — meaning salaries at schools in the other five major conferences are going up at roughly the same rate as they are at higher-profile schools.

"The hell with gold," higher education lawyer Sheldon Steinbach says. "I want to buy futures in coaches' contracts."

Critics find it troubling that this rapid rise for coaches comes at a time when instructional spending at many schools has slowed or declined amid economic struggles and shrinking state education budgets.

"Athletics has gotten so disproportionate to the rest of the economy, and to the academic community, that it is unbelievable," says Julian Spallholz, a professor in the department of food and nutrition at Texas Tech, where coach Tommy Tuberville got a $550,000 raise. "This kind of disproportion in the country is why people are occupying Wall Street."

This season, at least 64 coaches are making more than $1 million. Of those, 32 are being paid more than $2 million, nine are making more than $3 million, and three are making more than $4 million. Texas' Mack Brown tops the list; he's being paid more than $5 million. The analysis is based on contracts or other documents showing compensation from 110 of the 120 schools in the NCAA's top-tier Football Bowl Subdivision (FBS).

Average pay for major-college head coaches rose 7.3% from 2010. Average pay for those coaches was flat the year before, the only time there was no increase since USA TODAY began these analyses in 2006.

Gene Chizik's $1.4 million raise was this season's biggest, but he led Auburn to the national championship last season. Fisher's Seminoles didn't achieve as much, winning an Atlantic Coast Conference division championship before losing to Virginia Tech in the ACC title game and beating South Carolina in the Chick-fil-A Bowl.

Mississippi State coach Dan Mullen got this season's second-biggest raise — $1 million. Mullen earned $1.2 million in his first season at the school in 2009, got a $300,000 raise for his second year, and the latest raise jumps his pay to $2.5 million. Last season, he led the Bulldogs to a 9-4 record, their best since 1999, and a victory against Michigan in the Gator Bowl. He also was mentioned as a candidate for head-coaching vacancies at Miami (Fla.) and Florida.

"It's all market-driven," Mississippi State athletics director Scott Stricklin says. "When we hired Dan, we paid him $600,000 less than our previous coach … with the understanding that you know when you do that, you're saving money today but if he's successful you're going to catch him up to where the market is."

Mullen moves up from last in compensation among the 11 public schools in the Southeastern Conference to ninth. The high-price contracts of the SEC, where Chizik's $3.5 million salary ranks fourth, also influenced Fisher's raise.

Barron says Florida State conducted a market analysis and found Fisher's 2010 pay "was in the middle of the ACC pack and low for the SEC" and that he deserved a raise for coaching the Seminoles to a 10-4 finish in his first season after they went 7-6 the year before.

"That is very much the traditionalist argument for raising salaries of coaches," Steinbach says. "And the argument has some merit. That's the way the market functions."

Fisher's raise, this season's third highest, boosts him past the icon he succeeded, Bobby Bowden, who made $2.3 million in 2009, his last season.

Fisher declined to comment on his contract through a spokesman. Athletics director Randy Spetman also declined to comment other than a two-sentence e-mail statement that said Fisher's package is competitive and no state money is used to pay coaches.

It is common for schools to say that coach pay is pooled largely from TV, media and marketing contracts. But in 2010, only about 20% of FBS athletics departments were able to pay all their bills without help from university or state funds or student fees, according to a USA TODAY analysis of universities' financial records.

Chizik, Mullen and Fisher weren't the only coaches to receive big raises. About one-quarter of the 82 public schools that retained their coaches after last season gave raises of $200,000 or more; some of those raises were built into contracts that remained unchanged. However, nine schools provided boosts of $500,000 or more to incumbent coaches via new, or amended, contracts.

The 7.3% increase in the average pay for this season would have been more than 10% if such highly paid, high-profile coaches as Jim Tressel at Ohio State, Butch Davis at North Carolina and Urban Meyer at Florida had stayed in their former jobs and retained their former salaries, rather than leaving unexpectedly. (Tressel and Davis exited amid NCAA investigations; Meyer left on his own.)

Tressel made $3.9 million last season; his successor, Luke Fickell, is making $775,000 on an eight-month contract. That works out to $1.162 million on an annualized rate, the smallest number for an Ohio State football coach since Tressel earned $1,095,750 in guaranteed compensation in the 2003-04 contract year, according to Tom McGinnis, OSU's assistant athletics director of administration and human resources.

Fickell's annualized rate is slightly less than what Indiana is paying first-year coach Kevin Wilson and it's more than what Purdue guarantees third-year coach Danny Hope.

Ohio State athletics director Gene Smith declined to comment. "Considering my coach situation, I am not interviewing on these topics," he said by e-mail.

Reaction from faculty

Richard Lapchick is a social critic and coach's son who is director of the DeVos Sport Business Management program at the University of Central Florida.

"When you see the continuing escalation of coaches' salaries, I think the typical person has resentment about that," Lapchick says. "Misery is not the right word, but the lack of economic progress for most people, or the regression from where they were, makes it doubly frustrating when they see these kinds of salaries.

"I'm teaching in the Florida system. So, while I feel fairly compensated, I know there are a lot of faculty members who haven't really seen raises, or had tiny ones the last couple of years, who like everybody else are frustrated by what's going on."

Even so, there hasn't been much faculty criticism of Fisher's raise on the Florida State campus.

"I have not heard any talk about the football coach's contract," says Sandra Lewis, president of FSU's faculty senate.

Spallholz was among some members of the faculty senate at Texas Tech who questioned Tuberville's $550,000 raise to $2.059 million last winter after going 8-5 in his first season, including 3-5 in the Big 12.

"When this came out I stood up and said if I were Tommy Tuberville, I would be very embarrassed to accept such an increase, given the fact the faculty and staff had received nothing," says Spallholz, a former member at large of the faculty senate.

Florida State pays football coaches' salaries out of funds raised by its booster club. Even so, taxpayer money is affected at least indirectly. Federal tax subsidies are involved, as are state corporate tax subsidies since the university, athletics department and booster club are exempt from the state's corporate tax structure. (State subsidies for individual returns are not involved as there is no state income tax in Florida.)

"That's not any different than any other philanthropic contribution, as far as I can tell," FSU's Barron says.

For all of the TV money that flows to athletics departments in the best-known conferences, only 22 athletics departments are self-supporting, according to the USA TODAY analysis. The majority get subsidies from the university, often through student fees.

"The students pay more tuition, the faculty pay by not having a pay increase, and the football coach gets a half-million-dollar raise," Spallholz says. "And this goes on in a lot of other places, not just here.

"I think it speaks for itself, doesn't it? It says football is much more important on a lot of campuses than academics."

'It's a highly valued position'

The $525,000 pay raise for Utah coach Kyle Whittingham was as simple as Utah's move from the Mountain West Conference to the Pacific-12.

"We felt that as we made that move, we had to take people who do a good job and get them at least somewhat in the middle of the league," athletics director Chris Hill says.

Whittingham's compensation of $1.7 million is now fourth highest of the 10 public universities in the Pac-12, and Lane Kiffin at Southern California, a private school, almost certainly makes more.

Hill says Whittingham's raise is not really as large as it appears, because he says about $200,000 comes from an existing apparel deal that was outside his contract and now is included.

Hill makes $400,000, meaning Whittingham makes more than four times as much as the man he works for. Hill says that's fine by him.

"It happens in a lot of professions," Hill says. "The person who runs the hospital doesn't make as much as a top surgeon. And a top salesman often makes more than somebody else. I accept that as it's just the way it is."

As does Stricklin, the Mississippi State athletics director.

"All of us are paid based on what our value is within the context of the job we do," he says. "You can make a lot of comments about society and what football coaches get paid, but the fact of the matter is it's a highly valued position. … College football coaches, especially in the South, are some of the most high-profile citizens in each of our states."

Until recent days, Joe Paterno was among the most revered citizens in Pennsylvania. Critics suggest his larger-than-life legend contributed to an atmosphere in which his program could seem to function above the law. One consequence of football coaches who make more money than the athletics directors and presidents they nominally answer to is that the coaches can come to seem more important than their bosses.

"In the case of Joe Paterno, I don't think money was as much of a factor" in the mythology that grew around him "as his longevity and the reputation he built, partly as a philanthropist," Lapchick says. "But I do think coaches' salaries can play a role in distancing them from those they report to."

Barron, the Florida State president, says he makes $400,000 and got a bonus last year that raised his pay to $500,000. Fisher, of course, made almost two times that much in his raise alone.

What's it like to be the boss of a football coach who makes more than five times what the president does?

"I suppose it would be easy to sit there and think about that on a personal level, which is kind of the way that you've asked the question," Barron says. "I'm frequently amazed at what coaches get. … And then I Google the number of news stories about any university in the country and I realize that the top 20 stories for any university will all be about athletics. And that one mention of conference realignment will put 3,000 news stories out there.

"You can get a Nobel Prize at your university and you won't get anywhere near that attention. And so I think between the public and the media, they are telling us what they value."

I'm just reading a bunch of bullshit it seems. :lol:

Like coaching a team of retards to play a game is worth that much money.


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Re: Salaries for college football coaches back on rise [Re: Thebooedocksaint] * 1
    #597289 - 11/17/11 01:49 PM (5 years, 18 days ago)

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Re: Salaries for college football coaches back on rise [Re: Alounacara]
    #597292 - 11/17/11 02:10 PM (5 years, 18 days ago)

wrong forum and that was ridiculously long

On the subject, I will say this. They deserve every penny they get. They bring in more revenue for the universities than any other program or anything else. Top tier college programs generate 50 million+ in revenue each season, not including Bowl games.

So if you dont think a guy who earns your school roughly 50-55 million in 1 year, deserves to make 2-3 million of it then just look at how Joe Paterno is being treated. The guy who has the most wins EVER in college football is being crucified because he didnt do enough to stop sex abuse. His job is to coach football, he has tons of people he is responsible for. He reported what he was told to his supervisors and went back to his job.

That is just the most recent instance of where we idolize a football coach and ask him to do something that is outside of his pay grade and outside of his responsibilities


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Re: Salaries for college football coaches back on rise [Re: Thebooedocksaint]
    #597294 - 11/17/11 02:21 PM (5 years, 18 days ago)

Also you have to understand that you are talking about Florida State as well

A team that won 2 national championships from 90-2000. They are a program that is used to being on the big stage and playing for titles, something they failed to do in the last years of Bowden's reign.


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Re: Salaries for college football coaches back on rise [Re: Thebooedocksaint]
    #597334 - 11/17/11 06:46 PM (5 years, 18 days ago)

The only juatifiable reason to call the players retards is because they aren't forming a NCAA lockout and occupying football stadiums while everyone else eats larger than acceptable portions from their hard work.


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Re: Salaries for college football coaches back on rise [Re: King Koopa]
    #597338 - 11/17/11 07:08 PM (5 years, 18 days ago)

Ive always been in favor of a player stipend.


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Re: Salaries for college football coaches back on rise [Re: Picklez] * 1
    #597383 - 11/17/11 11:42 PM (5 years, 17 days ago)

and i've always been in favor about universities being about academics. On the note of wrong forum, i have started to only post marijuana related stories in the news forum because the rules say news stories there should be related to such things. If you read the article you would see that little side note that mentions athletics/football programs are not self sufficient and a lot of the reasons they even make so much is because they are tax exmempt. I personally don't think 'earning' that much for the school means they should make more, especially when only 22 schools in the ncaa are self sufficient with their programs (meaning technically their football program runs at a net loss for the university). I feel if anything extra proceeds from football should go back into the university considering many schools can't give their actual proffesors raises and have to make budget cuts. And i kind of think anyone that thinks differently is kind of insane. Aka all yalls.


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Re: Salaries for college football coaches back on rise [Re: Thebooedocksaint]
    #597437 - 11/18/11 02:57 PM (5 years, 17 days ago)

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and i've always been in favor about universities being about academics. On the note of wrong forum, i have started to only post marijuana related stories in the news forum because the rules say news stories there should be related to such things. If you read the article you would see that little side note that mentions athletics/football programs are not self sufficient and a lot of the reasons they even make so much is because they are tax exmempt. I personally don't think 'earning' that much for the school means they should make more, especially when only 22 schools in the ncaa are self sufficient with their programs (meaning technically their football program runs at a net loss for the university). I feel if anything extra proceeds from football should go back into the university considering many schools can't give their actual proffesors raises and have to make budget cuts. And i kind of think anyone that thinks differently is kind of insane. Aka all yalls.




1st off, I call bullshit on the 22 schools having profitable football programs. I would like to see where you came up with that number. I would bet almost every program has a profitable football program unless they count in a current stadium renovation or something like that.

And to talk about professors and education on the subject of college football coaches raises is kind of insane to me. So you are saying, a guy who earns your school millions and millions doesnt deserve a raise because there are teachers at the school who are not getting the same raises? Show me the college professor who brings in 25-50 million a year in revenue and then I will have his back.

I do agree teachers deserve raises, but it's just the economic time we are in. Football programs can continue to shell out that money because they bring in the revenue to support it

Anything else is comparing apples and oranges


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Re: Salaries for college football coaches back on rise [Re: Picklez]
    #597449 - 11/18/11 06:04 PM (5 years, 17 days ago)

I dont recall any professors packing in 80,000 people in a stadium recently:smilingpuppy:


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Re: Salaries for college football coaches back on rise [Re: Alounacara]
    #597453 - 11/18/11 06:35 PM (5 years, 17 days ago)

and then two people ignore my point that most football programs don't even make a profit for the college, most actually cost he college money. So what about that? I mean this point is literally in the article above so you're just ignore that it really costs them money and saying 'they make the college money' when the money the program earns goes straight back into the program mostly to pay the coaches ridiculous saleries.


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Re: Salaries for college football coaches back on rise [Re: Thebooedocksaint]
    #597458 - 11/18/11 07:10 PM (5 years, 17 days ago)

This proves why American society is so fucked up.

...because our priorities are fucked up

Since when is it more important to know how to throw a fucking football than it is to read, or do math.

Coaches should be on the bottom rung of the pay scale, not on the top fucking tier :facepalm:


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Re: Salaries for college football coaches back on rise [Re: Thebooedocksaint]
    #597461 - 11/18/11 07:20 PM (5 years, 17 days ago)

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and then two people ignore my point that most football programs don't even make a profit for the college, most actually cost he college money. So what about that? I mean this point is literally in the article above so you're just ignore that it really costs them money and saying 'they make the college money' when the money the program earns goes straight back into the program mostly to pay the coaches ridiculous saleries.




proof?

because you are wrong.


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    #597463 - 11/18/11 07:49 PM (5 years, 17 days ago)

Dead ass wrong:crankey:


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Re: Salaries for college football coaches back on rise [Re: Alounacara]
    #597480 - 11/18/11 10:53 PM (5 years, 16 days ago)

The article would be my proof. If you think the article is wrong i suggest you take the time to go try to prove otherwise, because as it stands the article i posted mentions that only 22 programs are self supporting, out of the over 60 that pay coaches for 1 million. You're asking for proof after the article i posted says it plainly. You guys are hopeless :lol:


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Re: Salaries for college football coaches back on rise [Re: Thebooedocksaint]
    #597485 - 11/18/11 11:05 PM (5 years, 16 days ago)

I suggest you learn how to read

Only 20% of ATHLETIC PROGRAMS.

It is a well known fact that many other athletic programs at universities lose money; gymnastics, swimming, track, wrestling,  some of the smaller sports

FOOTBALL is a profitable part of probably every single major university. That's why they are in place.


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    #597495 - 11/19/11 01:02 AM (5 years, 16 days ago)

wrong dead ass wrong:oldman:


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Re: Salaries for college football coaches back on rise [Re: Alounacara] * 1
    #597535 - 11/19/11 11:36 AM (5 years, 16 days ago)

well, i wish you would of mentioned that when i was already saying that and it obviously came from the article instead of leting me post the same thing like you guys were a brick wall. Regardless i still think that the profits from footbal should be spread out across the university, even to the non profiting programs. Letting a COACH make 1 million to 5 million dollars is ridiculous. All he does is coach, not a big deal at all it the greater scheme of things. Sure maybe he should make like 100-200 grand, but that's still a riduculous amount of money imo that's so much money most people wouldn't know what to do with it. And considering the tax payers are getting screwed from all these funds being non-taxable either it should help universities get better equipment for classes or help increase proffesor sallery since many of them can't get a raise with how much education programs have been getting cut. I'm just realizing that training future scientists, teachers, engineers,etc... Are all more important than being in charge of a team tha plays a game a lot of people want to watch. I mean football is fine and all to watch, but it's not the lease bit important in the grand scheme of things.


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Re: Salaries for college football coaches back on rise [Re: Thebooedocksaint]
    #597542 - 11/19/11 12:24 PM (5 years, 16 days ago)

We dont need no stinking articles:crankey:


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Re: Salaries for college football coaches back on rise [Re: Thebooedocksaint]
    #597545 - 11/19/11 01:08 PM (5 years, 16 days ago)

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well, i wish you would of mentioned that when i was already saying that and it obviously came from the article instead of leting me post the same thing like you guys were a brick wall. Regardless i still think that the profits from footbal should be spread out across the university, even to the non profiting programs. Letting a COACH make 1 million to 5 million dollars is ridiculous. All he does is coach, not a big deal at all it the greater scheme of things. Sure maybe he should make like 100-200 grand, but that's still a riduculous amount of money imo that's so much money most people wouldn't know what to do with it. And considering the tax payers are getting screwed from all these funds being non-taxable either it should help universities get better equipment for classes or help increase proffesor sallery since many of them can't get a raise with how much education programs have been getting cut. I'm just realizing that training future scientists, teachers, engineers,etc... Are all more important than being in charge of a team tha plays a game a lot of people want to watch. I mean football is fine and all to watch, but it's not the lease bit important in the grand scheme of things.





i totally feel where your coming from

but do you not get that without a coach the team would not be as good?

that a good coach directly correlates with a winning and profitable football program?

seems like its a small price to pay for what he actually brings in. and the notoriety he brings the school.


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Re: Salaries for college football coaches back on rise [Re: still beLIEve]
    #597547 - 11/19/11 01:22 PM (5 years, 16 days ago)

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still beLIEve said:
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Thebooedocksaint said:
well, i wish you would of mentioned that when i was already saying that and it obviously came from the article instead of leting me post the same thing like you guys were a brick wall. Regardless i still think that the profits from footbal should be spread out across the university, even to the non profiting programs. Letting a COACH make 1 million to 5 million dollars is ridiculous. All he does is coach, not a big deal at all it the greater scheme of things. Sure maybe he should make like 100-200 grand, but that's still a riduculous amount of money imo that's so much money most people wouldn't know what to do with it. And considering the tax payers are getting screwed from all these funds being non-taxable either it should help universities get better equipment for classes or help increase proffesor sallery since many of them can't get a raise with how much education programs have been getting cut. I'm just realizing that training future scientists, teachers, engineers,etc... Are all more important than being in charge of a team tha plays a game a lot of people want to watch. I mean football is fine and all to watch, but it's not the lease bit important in the grand scheme of things.





i totally feel where your coming from

but do you not get that without a coach the team would not be as good?

that a good coach directly correlates with a winning and profitable football program?

seems like its a small price to pay for what he actually brings in. and the notoriety he brings the school.




exactly

TONS of students go to schools based on their athletic programs, and the most popular being football and basketball


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