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how big before flowering in 20 gal smart pots and 32 gal trashcans?
    #575209 - 07/29/11 05:09 AM (5 years, 4 months ago)

just put a bunch of my bigger stuff into 20 gallon smart pots, 20 gallon trash cans and 32 gallon trash cans.  silver kush, chocolate sour diesel, dj shorts blueberry, querkle, etc.    i'm wondering how big to let them get before i move them over to flower.  i'm thinking a bunch of bare bulb 1000w hps is going to be my best bet to light them in flower, but i have no idea what the sweet spot is on this size of thing! 

some pictures of where they're at right now, a lot i have just finished LSTing so they look a bit flat of course.



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Re: how big before flowering in 20 gal smart pots and 32 gal trashcans? [Re: yellownotepad]
    #575213 - 07/29/11 08:53 AM (5 years, 4 months ago)

I don't know man, but I grow in a basement in 7 gallon smart pots and my plants are huge. Not just huge around, huge tall. I do tie them down and stuff but they just keep stretching. The only thing making it work for me is the light mover. Good luck buddy, maybe you should put them outside! lol:grin:


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Re: how big before flowering in 20 gal smart pots and 32 gal trashcans? [Re: Captain Caveman]
    #575226 - 07/29/11 11:43 AM (5 years, 4 months ago)

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I don't know man, but I grow in a basement in 7 gallon smart pots and my plants are huge. Not just huge around, huge tall. I do tie them down and stuff but they just keep stretching. The only thing making it work for me is the light mover. Good luck buddy, maybe you should put them outside! lol:grin:




how tall before flower, and how tall after they're done stretching?  i've got 10 foot ceilings to work with :lol:


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Re: how big before flowering in 20 gal smart pots and 32 gal trashcans? [Re: yellownotepad]
    #575230 - 07/29/11 12:45 PM (5 years, 4 months ago)

Theese are about 5' 0ff the floor, about 4' off the soil. They are still in veg. The flowers are about 6-7'. Theres a yardstick in the pics.





Man I wish I could grow under 10' ceilings! Or outside. Maybe someday.


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Re: how big before flowering in 20 gal smart pots and 32 gal trashcans? [Re: yellownotepad]
    #575232 - 07/29/11 12:48 PM (5 years, 4 months ago)

The 32gallon pots and even the 20 gallon ones were a waste. In order for the plants to fully use them they would be to big for any kind of decent light penetration. Sure 10 foot ceilings are nice but the bottom 5 feet of space is crap and useless junk. I've had plants banging off of the roof in 7 gallon pots.
Outdoors with a pot that big I could easily pull 5 lbs off of one plant that simply is not going to happen indoors no matter how much lst you do.

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Re: how big before flowering in 20 gal smart pots and 32 gal trashcans? [Re: Magash]
    #575238 - 07/29/11 01:26 PM (5 years, 4 months ago)

Not a complete waste. He'll only have to water it twice. lol:wink:


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Re: how big before flowering in 20 gal smart pots and 32 gal trashcans? [Re: Magash]
    #575251 - 07/29/11 03:57 PM (5 years, 4 months ago)

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The 32gallon pots and even the 20 gallon ones were a waste. In order for the plants to fully use them they would be to big for any kind of decent light penetration. Sure 10 foot ceilings are nice but the bottom 5 feet of space is crap and useless junk. I've had plants banging off of the roof in 7 gallon pots.
Outdoors with a pot that big I could easily pull 5 lbs off of one plant that simply is not going to happen indoors no matter how much lst you do.

:happyweed:





i was assuming i'd shoot for going full height to the ceiling and have barebulbs everywhere in between the trees.  i already LSTed them to be about 30 inches in diameter, and i'm going to let them grow straight up from there.  i figured if i let them become more or less a column at that width, 1000w barebulbs should penetrate deep enough, no?

here is what i'm seeing in my head



i know there will be some serious finagling to support the plant at that height but as far as canopy penetration i am thinking this might work ok?  i feel like its just a really giant version of what people do a lot of the time with vertical grows.  like 5x scale :lol:


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Re: how big before flowering in 20 gal smart pots and 32 gal trashcans? [Re: yellownotepad]
    #575255 - 07/29/11 04:13 PM (5 years, 4 months ago)

also why the hell is this in the smoke lounge? tried to post it in cultivation

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Re: how big before flowering in 20 gal smart pots and 32 gal trashcans? [Re: yellownotepad]
    #575259 - 07/29/11 04:52 PM (5 years, 4 months ago)

Because fuck you, I have 10 ft. of ceiling.  Is that what this all really boils down to?


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Re: how big before flowering in 20 gal smart pots and 32 gal trashcans? [Re: Saki]
    #575262 - 07/29/11 05:03 PM (5 years, 4 months ago)

go big or go home.  i told my partner my goal here is really just to have to use a ladder when its harvest time.  hopefully that also means good yields


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Re: how big before flowering in 20 gal smart pots and 32 gal trashcans? [Re: yellownotepad]
    #575266 - 07/29/11 05:06 PM (5 years, 4 months ago)

Lol.  well, g/l. :lol:


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Re: how big before flowering in 20 gal smart pots and 32 gal trashcans? [Re: Saki]
    #575274 - 07/29/11 06:03 PM (5 years, 4 months ago)

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Because fuck you, I have 10 ft. of ceiling.  Is that what this all really boils down to?





Huh?:eek:


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Re: how big before flowering in 20 gal smart pots and 32 gal trashcans? [Re: Captain Caveman]
    #575277 - 07/29/11 06:24 PM (5 years, 4 months ago)

He wants some really tall plants.


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Re: how big before flowering in 20 gal smart pots and 32 gal trashcans? [Re: Saki]
    #575295 - 07/29/11 07:51 PM (5 years, 4 months ago)

he could place smaller lights mounted at different levels in between the plants, basically space youre trees 4 feet apart, have a light mover for your top 1000 watter, and then hang smaller wattage lights in between, grow yo ass so trees negro...


oh shit my bad didnt read the whole thread... yeah...ummm what u said


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Re: how big before flowering in 20 gal smart pots and 32 gal trashcans? [Re: Big_tiggy]
    #575297 - 07/29/11 07:58 PM (5 years, 4 months ago)

ok what u drew is good but you will probably need to surround those bitches with 400 watt bare bulbs, around the outside too, no use in doing that with 1000's, and your gonna pay more for electricity than you make from the plant...


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Re: how big before flowering in 20 gal smart pots and 32 gal trashcans? [Re: Big_tiggy]
    #575303 - 07/29/11 08:07 PM (5 years, 4 months ago)

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ok what u drew is good but you will probably need to surround those bitches with 400 watt bare bulbs, around the outside too, no use in doing that with 1000's, and your gonna pay more for electricity than you make from the plant...





you think so? we're running off our industrial 3-phase 240 so its only 14.75 cents/kwh.  comes out to $53.10 per 1000w light per month.


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Re: how big before flowering in 20 gal smart pots and 32 gal trashcans? [Re: yellownotepad]
    #575305 - 07/29/11 08:13 PM (5 years, 4 months ago)

Just be sure you do it carefully and do it right.  If you haven't planned this out well enough, it will cost you in the long run


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Re: how big before flowering in 20 gal smart pots and 32 gal trashcans? [Re: Magash]
    #575307 - 07/29/11 08:29 PM (5 years, 4 months ago)

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The 32gallon pots and even the 20 gallon ones were a waste. In order for the plants to fully use them they would be to big for any kind of decent light penetration. Sure 10 foot ceilings are nice but the bottom 5 feet of space is crap and useless junk. I've had plants banging off of the roof in 7 gallon pots.
Outdoors with a pot that big I could easily pull 5 lbs off of one plant that simply is not going to happen indoors no matter how much lst you do.

:happyweed:




That massive yield, no, but couldn't you do enough supplemental side lighting to accommodate the bottom of the plant? Seems like it could be done. Not cheaply or sensibly (SOG makes much more sense to me :shrug:) but theoretically possible I'd say.

That said, remember, your shits prolly gonna double in size when you flower. Try to keep that in mind.

You wanna really optimize your area, bust out the fuckin' floor and dig holes for the container they're growing in. Grow from the floor up :lol:


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Re: how big before flowering in 20 gal smart pots and 32 gal trashcans? [Re: RasJeph]
    #575308 - 07/29/11 08:31 PM (5 years, 4 months ago)

You could also do a horizontal thing like that breeder whose name I can't remember. I'm sure someone knows who I mean.


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Re: how big before flowering in 20 gal smart pots and 32 gal trashcans? [Re: RasJeph]
    #575319 - 07/29/11 09:49 PM (5 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah with the side lighting it should work but with that kind of room you could have done three layers of these

Then again I don't know just how crazy you want to go with this project. :wink:


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