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best, easiest set up for noobs
    #57111 - 06/13/08 10:05 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

I am new to this site, and was wandering around reading as much as I can, and I was wondering whats you guys take on being a noob and wanting to start a few indoor hydro plants, what would be the easiest, to maintain for a beginner?

I visit a local shop frequently, and they have what looks like the square PVC fence post covers that cover 4x4 posts? with like 6 3-4 inch holes drilled in line, with what look like little black baskets. Not sure, but it looked like there was only one input and on output for each tube. Would be a constant flow system??? thought it would be okay if you wanted to keep smaller plants.
Let me know what you guys think, I want to seriously look into a first set up that will allow me to learn and expand.


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Re: best, easiest set up for noobs [Re: fantasy2reality]
    #57925 - 06/15/08 04:23 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

Ebb & flo systems are pretty easy to use, I started out with a  3x3 American Hydroponics table.

you can also make 5gal buckets into Ebb&flo.


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Re: best, easiest set up for noobs [Re: SRH]
    #57959 - 06/15/08 05:30 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

you have any design specs? I am waiting on a book on Hydroponics, but I know that the best experience and set ups come from the people that have done it, and trial and error'd a few times.


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Re: best, easiest set up for noobs [Re: fantasy2reality]
    #57999 - 06/15/08 06:32 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)



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Re: best, easiest set up for noobs [Re: C3R3AL KiLLRx]
    #58219 - 06/15/08 11:12 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

ebb flow is easier than a bubbler? :eek:


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Re: best, easiest set up for noobs [Re: pong]
    #58248 - 06/15/08 11:45 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

lol i dunno bout that plug bubbler in change water once weekly bang zoom


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Re: best, easiest set up for noobs [Re: C3R3AL KiLLRx]
    #58322 - 06/16/08 03:32 AM (13 years, 4 months ago)

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lol i dunno bout that plug bubbler in change water once weekly bang zoom




huh?


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Re: best, easiest set up for noobs [Re: pong]
    #58421 - 06/16/08 12:20 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

bubbler hydro setup is easier IMO


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Re: best, easiest set up for noobs [Re: C3R3AL KiLLRx]
    #65991 - 06/25/08 06:36 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

DWC is easiest and has the upside of not spreading infection amonst your plants (no shared reservoir)

DWC or deep water culture is the same thing as a "bubbler hydro setup".

Basically you just get a net which can be make shift where your roots grow and a bucket the net sits in filled with nutrient rich water and a bubbler to keep the water airated.

maintaince = changing the water.


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Re: best, easiest set up for noobs [Re: captain.koons]
    #67614 - 06/27/08 08:26 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

I think the DWC is the way to go for me being a beginner into hydro... Now as far as energy use... what would I be looking at for say 4-6 plants?


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Re: best, easiest set up for noobs [Re: fantasy2reality]
    #67627 - 06/27/08 09:24 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

fuck nothing

those aquarium pumps are like 10-15watts.

10 plants would be the same consumption as a flood table flooding for 15minutes 4 times a day or so.

both = very low energy consumption.


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Re: best, easiest set up for noobs [Re: captain.koons]
    #68613 - 06/29/08 07:55 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Okay, and what would I need for lights?

Is it the same as soil growing?


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Re: best, easiest set up for noobs [Re: fantasy2reality]
    #68667 - 06/29/08 09:28 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

lights are whatever you want for any grow.

High Pressure Sodium is good

High Pressure Sodium with a MH conversion is better.

High Presure Sodium with another MH setup is even better.


Ballast, Bulb, Reflector = a lighting setup... air cooled reflectors are better, digital ballasts are more effective and some bulbs have better energy usage and even sometimes more wattage. (a argos bulb will do 430w on a 400w ballast)


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Re: best, easiest set up for noobs [Re: captain.koons]
    #68960 - 06/30/08 08:14 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Good quality spectrum adjusted HPS lamps are great for vegging and make MH lamps redundant.  You only really need a HPS these days.


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Re: best, easiest set up for noobs [Re: Hanky]
    #69689 - 07/01/08 11:57 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

yeah but if you have a vegging room and a flower room

you would still want a MH over a HPS.


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Re: best, easiest set up for noobs [Re: fantasy2reality]
    #175623 - 01/05/09 08:58 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

hmm


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Re: best, easiest set up for noobs [Re: Hanky]
    #175958 - 01/06/09 12:06 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Good quality spectrum adjusted HPS lamps are great for vegging and make MH lamps redundant.  You only really need a HPS these days.




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Re: best, easiest set up for noobs [Re: C3R3AL KiLLRx]
    #175961 - 01/06/09 12:07 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Agreed.


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Re: best, easiest set up for noobs [Re: C3R3AL KiLLRx]
    #175965 - 01/06/09 12:09 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Hanky said:
Good quality spectrum adjusted HPS lamps are great for vegging and make MH lamps redundant.  You only really need a HPS these days.







You would be kind of silly to dedicate HPS lamps to a veg room.


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Re: best, easiest set up for noobs [Re: captain.koons]
    #177745 - 01/08/09 10:41 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

you can get HPS bulbs with the adjusted light spectrum more blue but thats what ive read and heard...never tried


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Re: best, easiest set up for noobs [Re: C3R3AL KiLLRx]
    #177759 - 01/08/09 11:07 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

still yeah more blue = hps better for veg

it still won't compare to ceramic metal halides or metal halides.... if you have a dedicated veg room/area


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Re: best, easiest set up for noobs [Re: captain.koons]
    #193067 - 02/07/09 01:53 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

First post!

As my name indicates, I am a very frugal grower.

I started out in DWC, and 5+ years later, guess what, still DWC.  It's so easy a caveman could do it.

I have also come to the conclusion that it is NOT NECESSARY to change your nutrient solution during a grow.  Personally I change my res between grows for practical reasons, but I have talked to dudes who have successfully ran 6+ bloom cycles in the same res using only lucas formula addbacks.

So, here's what you need to do DWC, aside from the stuff you'll need for any other kind of hydro system: the reservoir, sturdy lid for reservoir, net pots, hydroton, an aquarium air pump or two, and some airline tubing.  Even the net pots and hydroton are negotiable.  Note I also left out air stones.  You don't really need them, either.

If you are DIY capable to the extent of being able to fit a hole saw to a drill and brace/lightproof the res itself you can make your own setup.

The downfall of many newb DWC'ers is temperature.  Keeping your water 75 degrees or less (i consider around 70 ideal) can be tricky, during the summer i find that keeping some water frozen in 2liter bottles can come in mighty handy, especially in the early stages when the canopy hasn't developed enough to shade the rez.  Tin foil on the lid can help reflect heat as well.

I like to remind people what they're growing; folks don't call it "weed" for nothing.  It is very very easy to obsess over every little thing and end up overreacting and screwing your plants up.

Cheers!



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Re: best, easiest set up for noobs [Re: cheapskate]
    #193074 - 02/07/09 02:24 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

so you just top off your reservoir with more lucas formula?


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Re: best, easiest set up for noobs [Re: captain.koons]
    #193086 - 02/07/09 03:58 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

yessir, simple as that.


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Re: best, easiest set up for noobs [Re: cheapskate]
    #193233 - 02/08/09 12:56 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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cheapskate said:
First post!

As my name indicates, I am a very frugal grower.

I started out in DWC, and 5+ years later, guess what, still DWC.  It's so easy a caveman could do it.

I have also come to the conclusion that it is NOT NECESSARY to change your nutrient solution during a grow.  Personally I change my res between grows for practical reasons, but I have talked to dudes who have successfully ran 6+ bloom cycles in the same res using only lucas formula addbacks.

So, here's what you need to do DWC, aside from the stuff you'll need for any other kind of hydro system: the reservoir, sturdy lid for reservoir, net pots, hydroton, an aquarium air pump or two, and some airline tubing.  Even the net pots and hydroton are negotiable.  Note I also left out air stones.  You don't really need them, either.

If you are DIY capable to the extent of being able to fit a hole saw to a drill and brace/lightproof the res itself you can make your own setup.

The downfall of many newb DWC'ers is temperature.  Keeping your water 75 degrees or less (i consider around 70 ideal) can be tricky, during the summer i find that keeping some water frozen in 2liter bottles can come in mighty handy, especially in the early stages when the canopy hasn't developed enough to shade the rez.  Tin foil on the lid can help reflect heat as well.

I like to remind people what they're growing; folks don't call it "weed" for nothing.  It is very very easy to obsess over every little thing and end up overreacting and screwing your plants up.

Cheers!





is that one of your plants?


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Re: best, easiest set up for noobs [Re: mattyyy]
    #194755 - 02/11/09 04:32 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

why yes it is, that's LUI at about 35 days, i'll try to get an update pic up later.


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Re: best, easiest set up for noobs [Re: fantasy2reality]
    #201921 - 03/02/09 11:42 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

DWC was my first hydro grow and I got awesome results from it. Super easy! I used 2 plants per 5 gal bucket and had pretty good results. You just have to add/change solution more often and keep an eye on them until you find out the consumption/evaporation rate of the solution. Oh and run a fish pump.


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Re: best, easiest set up for noobs [Re: FunWiThFunGuS]
    #208673 - 03/25/09 01:50 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

if you want cheap, easy, and good, i'd go with handwatered coco.  my first full grow ever, i did handwatered coco with h3ad's formula (i can explain if you want) and go this:









no equipment to fail, no technical stuff to mess up, no additives needed, just fast growth and really good buds.  and its extremely cheap to run too.


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Re: best, easiest set up for noobs [Re: yellownotepad]
    #208803 - 03/25/09 06:17 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

how often did you have to water those coco planters?


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Re: best, easiest set up for noobs [Re: pong]
    #208808 - 03/25/09 06:23 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

daily.  you dont let coco dry out ever.


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Re: best, easiest set up for noobs [Re: yellownotepad]
    #208810 - 03/25/09 06:32 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

im thinking about doing a hempy grow.  my plants are seedlings now and i am coming close to descision time.

have you seen any coco/hempy comparisons?


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Re: best, easiest set up for noobs [Re: pong]
    #208813 - 03/25/09 06:36 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

i haven't, but i highly recommend coco if for no other reasons than 1)its not sketchy as hell if you throw it in the yard or trash (perlite screams IM GROWING STUFF)  and 2)coco is reusable for a couple grows.  also h3ad formula in coco is good because you actually WANT to use tap water, the impurities are helpful.


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Re: best, easiest set up for noobs [Re: yellownotepad]
    #208835 - 03/25/09 07:44 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

have any links on that h3ad formula notepad?


i am not worried about the sketchiness factor man but the coco seems interesting.

who knows maybe ill do half coco half hempy just to see whats up haha.


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