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 !!!WARNING!!! 2c-e 
#559760 - 05/30/11 05:38 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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So this is just a warning about 2c-e. Recently there were some death associated with supposed 2c-e. One Dead, 10 Hospitalized After Mass Drug Overdose In Blaine. It has been speculated in the RC community that this 2c-e may have actually be Bromo DragonFly or was a tainted batch from a backyard lab. The Shroomery also has a post or two on this news. There was also another possible death associated with this chemical too.
So people PLEASE BECAREFUL WITH THIS AT THIS TIME! All other 2c varients are still good and no bad reports. One website selling the chem was shut down and the owner is now facing possible long time prison sentence. Also, I have another source that is a hub for rc vendors world wide and this has only been a problem for the site mentioned in the news articles. Since this had happened alot of the rc vendors have had their product tested for impurities and to verify that they do indeed only have 2c-e. Know your source and better yet know your product!
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 niteowl
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Even better .... stay away from synthetic swill 
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mellowparty
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I'd recommend to assay a microbump of your RC before you indulge into the supposed dosage.
put some salive on the tip of a paper clip and touch the powder. Eat it and wait. Then increase the amount in a geometric progression till you know that your shit is not something lethal at the 'normal' for this compound dosage.
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If you can't grow it yourself, don't do it.
With the exception of DMT
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mellowparty
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what about lucy and molly?
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nannybooboo
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This isn't the first time it's happened right? I recall about a year or two ago there was a misidentified batch of a suspected 2cx but ended up being bromo dragonfly.
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 Re: !!!WARNING!!! [Re: mellowparty] 1
#559773 - 05/30/11 06:06 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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mellowparty said:
what about lucy and molly?
I try and stay away from synthesized chemicals, mother nature had it right.
Mushrooms, Weed, Ayahuasca.
can't forget peyote.
Edited by smurf_master (05/30/11 06:07 PM)
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mellowparty
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i tend to LOVE acid. Imo acid is better than mush.
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iStoner
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DMT you can extract yourself, so it's all good in mother nature.
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Re: !!!WARNING!!! [Re: iStoner]
#559780 - 05/30/11 06:22 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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OK then, I'll stick with meth cause its natural and shit. If its natural it cant hurt me 
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But it comes from nature man. According to you thats good.
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OK then, I'll stick with meth cause its natural and shit. If its natural it cant hurt me
 eat some death caps as well! smoke that poison ivy too.
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Re: !!!WARNING!!! [Re: iStoner] 1
#559785 - 05/30/11 06:29 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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The whole natural vs synthetic thing is such a crock of shit.
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smurf_master
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Go find some Acacia berlandieri shrubs and smoke some meth than.
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Re: !!!WARNING!!! [Re: mellowparty] 1
#559788 - 05/30/11 06:34 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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mellowparty said:
The whole natural vs synthetic thing is such a crock of shit.
You make this argument in a post about synthetic drugs killing people? Lol
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BlueBerry_Swisher
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Look, all he said was that he liked to stay natural. He shouldnt be attacked for that.
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smurf_master
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One post away.
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mellowparty
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Yeah because they had the mislabelled chemical. They thought they have something thats active in the mg range and what they was in fact active in the microgram range and lethal in the milligram range.
Edited by mellowparty (05/30/11 06:43 PM)
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smurf_master
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My point, there is more to go wrong with synthetic drugs.
Your body does not utilize synthetics the same way as natural or whole food molecules.
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niteowl
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Quote:
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mellowparty said:
The whole natural vs synthetic thing is such a crock of shit.
You make this argument in a post about synthetic drugs killing people? Lol
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As far as I know, there is no conclusion on the exact problem here. It maybe mislabeled. It may have been tainted. The thing is, that people died off of this chem. Whatever it was!
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how did you get before and after pics of coaster's girl?
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http://www.madrigalmaniac.com/2011/03/22/man-arrested-in-blaine-mn-2c-e-death/
3rd paragraph, sigh....
“These dangerous drugs pose serious risks to the public and have tragically killed and injured Minnesotans,” Klobuchar said in a prepared statement. “These drugs should be made illegal and the chemicals used to make them should be banned so that they can no longer be easily purchased online and in stores around the country. We need to take action now before these substances endanger any more lives.”
Yea, that mentality has never stopped anyone from getting high.
The proper way to stop this kind of death is to regulate and tax all recreational drugs.
Its' the only way to insure that certain quality standards are met, and you're getting what you pay for.
This is the primary reason I shy away from these new synthetic drugs, because you never really know wtf your taking.
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Re: !!!WARNING!!! [Re: niteowl]
#559804 - 05/30/11 06:55 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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This is the primary reason I shy away from these new synthetic drugs, because you never really know wtf your taking.
Also why I shy away from processed foods.
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There is a reason they call them research chemicals.
I tried 2C-E once but had serious nausea. RC's should be used with caution, I have never ingested a drug that caused as much nausea as 2C-E.
LSD is usually synthesized from Ergot. DMT is extracted from naturally occuring plants. MDMA from sassafras, cocaine from Coca. The only semi synthetics I will use in moderation.
Meth does not have any natural components, neither do any of the 2C compounds as far as I know.
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My point, there is more to go wrong with synthetic drugs.
Thats a huge generalization. Just because a molecule is synthesised via a biosynthetic pathway in a plant or a fungus doesn't mean jack shit. The reason organic chemicals exert a certain effect on the body is because they interact with the proteins of the organisms thats consuming them. In fact many of the psychoactive components in plants and fungi (e.g. cannabinoids and psilocybin) have evolved as a self defence against shit eating the plants/fungi.
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Your body does not utilize synthetics the same way as natural or whole food molecules.
You can't say that because you obviously know nothing about biochemistry and pharmacology. Many of the new synthetic drugs have been designed by modelling their molecular structure into their cognate protein interactor and have subsequently been tested for toxicity etc. There is an extremely huge number of organic chemicals because of the structural versatility of carbon and the chances are that most of them would cause some toxicity mediated harm. THC is cardiotoxic but I don't see anyone bitching about this one 
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Keep on taking those synthetics. In 20 years when you have cancer of the aids, don't come crying.
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I don't know, there is nothing inherently worse for you strictly along the lines of synthetic/natural.
There are MANY natural poisons, way more than there are drugs and medicines.
The way they work on the body is really what determines their toxicity.
Let's see... Cocaine, Heroin, Speed, all derived from natural sources and in their refined state are known to be addictive and lethal.
Simply because of the difference in use frequency I can already predict that those drugs listed above have killed many times over the number of people synthetic drugs have, and will continue to do so indefinitely.
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mellowparty
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Keep on taking those synthetics. In 20 years when you have cancer of the aids, don't come crying.
Said the guy who has 0 knowledge in that area 
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smurf_master
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To each their own, I'd rather wait a few decades for the long term effects to come out before I subject my body to foreign chemicals.
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mellowparty
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But plant chemicals are foreign chemicals 
They do not belong to the xenobiotics class for no reason. They can also kill and give badass cancer and stuff.
Just cos it comes from teh earth doesnt make it safe. Educate yourself.
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Well duh, but I'd rather be taking natural drugs than synthetic ones. That was the my whole point.
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mellowparty
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I'm guessing your talking about research chemicals with recreational properties. The ones that are hardly studied, mainly by Shulgin for example and a number of middle aged males that partake in RC assays. The same guys who post trip reports of obscure drugs. I had my fair share with RCs and I came to the conclusion that acid, weed, shrooms and DMT is all I really need and want.
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I just want to get my hands on some pure dmt, and take that shit intravenously.
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2c-e is amazing stuff. Just know your source.
And just because a load of retarded kids didn't know what the fuck they were doing, dosn't mean that no one else should experiment with it. Yes it's an RC, but if your source is good, its pretty safe shit ime.
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I just want to get my hands on some pure dmt, and take that shit intravenously.
who doesnt
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Re: !!!WARNING!!! [Re: Krackatus]
#560232 - 05/31/11 01:14 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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2c-e is amazing stuff. Just know your source.
And just because a load of retarded kids didn't know what the fuck they were doing, dosn't mean that no one else should experiment with it. Yes it's an RC, but if your source is good, its pretty safe shit ime.
NO, there seems to be more to it then overdosage. I lurk on a message board where vendors and users have been discussing this very subject. Here is a snippet from a member of the other board.………Quote:
Uncontrollable tremors (me) +Extremely uncomfortable sedation (my buddy described it as being pushed to the edge of sleep but unable to fall asleep, like an EXTREME fatigue) +Disturbing and highly irrational thoughts and fear despite a good mindset and proper set and setting, and no underlying mental issues between any of us (all of us) +Extreme sinking feeling and nausea (all of us) +Generalfeeling of impending doom (another buddy of mine)
This is from a vetran user who knows his stuff. And in this same discussion there have been other who relate to the discription. Also it seems like the original source was from a chinese lab. There is no definite conclusion on anything as of yet, other then people have died.
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RCs just always lack that special something to me.
theres a couple keepers that i think are legit.
but for the most part, im just about some LSD and DMT.
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See, that term pedo gets thrown around a lot.
Is a 16 year old guy having sex w/a 16 year old girl a pedophile?
If not, then how is a 30 year old considered a pedophile for doing the same thing?
I think y'all need to look up the definition for pedophile.
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yea I just tried 2C-I yesterday with the gf...not very impressed 
It was cool, but IMO LSD>Shrooms>RCs
I personally had an excessive body high with RCs that was borderline uncomfortable with little to no visuals, but it seemed to last forever 
Mushrooms are generally fun but I have had all of my bad trips on mushies because they seem to force you where they wanna go and not where you wanna go.
LSD is fucking amazing...I have tried it once and want to get a steady hookup so I can start exploring with it...very controllable trip with lots of visuals and minimal body load. 
And yea, RCs are strictly for when I really wanna trip but nothing else is in town due to their lack of long term toxicity reports. Idk, maybe I'm just being paranoid but that's how I feel on that matter 
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I think its interesting to find correlations between the RC's chemical structure, the receptors it activates with the respective affinities and the subjective effects. Thats what research is all about. The body load is a bit of a bitch though but still nothing that a lil  wont fix.
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 + RCs = 
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Re: !!!WARNING!!! [Re: Data]
#560326 - 05/31/11 03:27 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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+ RCs [insert drug here]=
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Quote:
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+ RCs [insert drug here]=
yay verily 
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Re: !!!WARNING!!! [Re: Data]
#560993 - 06/02/11 01:01 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Drug that poisoned partygoers has been identified………snipped
ADA —A state lab has confirmed the synthetic drug that poisoned partygoers and killed two college students was a different drug than originally reported. Pontotoc County District Attorney Chris Ross said it was not 2C-E that poisoned the group, but the synthetic drug Bromo-DragonFLY. The drug is advertised to be more potent than 2C-E, causing LSD-type affects, Ross said. Eight friends took the drug diluted with water at a May 7 party in Konawa. Anastasia “Stacy” Jewell, 22, and Andrew Akerman, 22, both students at East Central University, died. Six others were treated at hospitals and released after the drug sickened them with seizures, vomiting and intense hallucinations. Cody Glenn Waddle, 20, of Ada, faces first-degree murder charges in connection with the deaths of his two friends. Waddle told investigators he purchased 2C-E from the Internet, but was instead sent Bromo-DragonFLY from somewhere in Asia, Ross said.
He said the drug might require a different dilution with water than 2C-E.
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