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Growing high grade bud, How hard is it?
    #538966 - 03/22/11 06:03 PM (5 years, 8 months ago)

If I didn't want to spend allot of money on HID lights and hydroponics.

I would get some good seeds, maybe white widow.

A 250 Watt cfl grow system, 6500k and then buying the 3500 when needed.

I have 4 nicely sized pots that I can fit in my closet, a timer and things to hang lights.

I guess my question is; just because you have good seeds and you treat you plants well with enough light, Should I expect to be able to grow some bomb ass bud? or do you think that it takes much more money and experience?

Just want to have a good amount of weed for me and a few friends, and don't want some nasty stuff thats like smoking schwag again.


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Re: Growing high grade bud, How hard is it? [Re: space]
    #538968 - 03/22/11 06:22 PM (5 years, 8 months ago)

Good lights, good seeds, good nutrients, good grow medium (if soil).

It all adds up to good bud.

If you cut corners, your finished product will suffer. Simple as that.

Not that you CAN'T grow good bud with CFL's. Just make sure you have enough.


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Re: Growing high grade bud, How hard is it? [Re: RasJeph]
    #538970 - 03/22/11 06:23 PM (5 years, 8 months ago)

Oh, and good care of course.


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Re: Growing high grade bud, How hard is it? [Re: RasJeph]
    #538973 - 03/22/11 06:33 PM (5 years, 8 months ago)

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Good lights, good seeds, good nutrients, good grow medium (if soil).

It all adds up to good bud.

If you cut corners, your finished product will suffer. Simple as that.

Not that you CAN'T grow good bud with CFL's. Just make sure you have enough.



Cool, well I mine as well spend around $200 if not a little more.  CFL's seem like a good option for their efficiency and price.  Does 250Watts sound like a good amount for a cfl light growing 2 or 4 plants?


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Re: Growing high grade bud, How hard is it? [Re: space]
    #538976 - 03/22/11 06:54 PM (5 years, 8 months ago)

are cfl's actually cooler than their HPS equivilent, only i read in many places that they both radiate the same amount of heat :confused:


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Re: Growing high grade bud, How hard is it? [Re: Shaggy420]
    #538982 - 03/22/11 07:22 PM (5 years, 8 months ago)

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are cfl's actually cooler than their HPS equivilent, only i read in many places that they both radiate the same amount of heat :confused:



I don't know but this made me think, I mine as well be safe and go HPS and MH.  That way I won't have to worry about moving the lights all the time.  $150 for, A 400watt HPS setup with a 400watt MH bulb for switching out later on.  $45 for seeds.  Plus a little bit for soil and ferts.  It will be a little while before I can buy the stuff though.


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Re: Growing high grade bud, How hard is it? [Re: Shaggy420]
    #538983 - 03/22/11 07:22 PM (5 years, 8 months ago)

CFLs radiate more heat per watt since they have a lower lumen to watt ratio, everything else is heat as far as I know.

I would believe CFL's heat is easier to deal with since the bulbs have a lot of surface area and there's more bulbs distributed evenly over the canopy. If using a say 2 x 70w cfl ( I don't even know if they come in this size) vs a single 150w HPS you would probably have more heat issues with the CFL equivalent. I think running 10 x 42w cfls would be easier than a single 400w HPS in terms of heat management.


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Re: Growing high grade bud, How hard is it? [Re: Shaggy420]
    #538985 - 03/22/11 07:24 PM (5 years, 8 months ago)

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Quote:

RasJeph said:
Good lights, good seeds, good nutrients, good grow medium (if soil).

It all adds up to good bud.

If you cut corners, your finished product will suffer. Simple as that.

Not that you CAN'T grow good bud with CFL's. Just make sure you have enough.



Cool, well I mine as well spend around $200 if not a little more.  CFL's seem like a good option for their efficiency and price.  Does 250Watts sound like a good amount for a cfl light growing 2 or 4 plants?




Yes, but more is always better. I usually recommend to people to go with about 100W (real watts, not incandescent equivalent) per plant at least. 150W would be even better.
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are cfl's actually cooler than their HPS equivilent, only i read in many places that they both radiate the same amount of heat :confused:




They generate more heat per watt than an HPS bulb. The difference is that an HPS bulb will be generating that heat from a single point, whereas 1000W of CFL will be spread out over a much larger area, minimizing intensity even if the total heat is greater.


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Re: Growing high grade bud, How hard is it? [Re: Harry_Ba11sach]
    #538986 - 03/22/11 07:24 PM (5 years, 8 months ago)

Haha dammit, Maryanne literally took the words right out of my mouth. :lol:


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Re: Growing high grade bud, How hard is it? [Re: Harry_Ba11sach]
    #538988 - 03/22/11 07:32 PM (5 years, 8 months ago)

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Haha dammit, Maryanne literally took the words right out of my mouth. :lol:



haha, its twice as good coming from 2 people.

I'm either thinking about doing 2 plants with a 250 WATT HPS+MH that I can get for $127.  But I do have these fixtures that could be used 1 per plant.  They just look like they will shine strait down mostly ware an hps will be spread out more.  If they have 100Watt lights at homedepot for cheap like I remember I might go that rought.  Then I only need to get the growth stage lights first.


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Re: Growing high grade bud, How hard is it? [Re: space]
    #538990 - 03/22/11 07:39 PM (5 years, 8 months ago)

well if you were serious about finding a 400W HID setup for only $150 then I'd probably go that route. It'll be far easier to deal with wiring and whatnot, plus this way you can get a nice reflector instead of having to make one yourself.

CFL's can be really fun, but it takes some work to get a nice reflector and bulb array working. example;


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Re: Growing high grade bud, How hard is it? [Re: Harry_Ba11sach]
    #538998 - 03/22/11 08:26 PM (5 years, 8 months ago)

I veg with CFLs and have never really had unsatisfactory results with it. I veg 2-3 plants under about 150w of CFL. Obviously I don't have 5 gallon pots like you pro guys like to use, but it certainly takes care of my small-time personal setup.

I just recently picked up my 400w for $150. If you're looking at the HTGSupply one, do it up man, you won't be disappointed. Just make sure you have proper ventilation, thats my biggest issue right now (upgraded from a 150).

Edit: I should prolly clarify, under my 150w of veg CFL I veg for 1 month from the day the seed breaks soil, top once or twice depending upon how vigorous the growth was, and then switch to the HPS. I grow in 1 gallon or 1/2 gallon pots, depending on how large I want my finishing plant to be.


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Re: Growing high grade bud, How hard is it? [Re: space]
    #539009 - 03/22/11 09:12 PM (5 years, 8 months ago)

If your lookin at a 400w hps id personally get a aircooled hood or a cooltube. Really worth it in the long run if your worried about heat. My friend just upgraded to a cooltube and he loves it. It will be a little extra cash but worth it. Later on you can look into a vortex inline fan and some venting to bring air over your bulb to cool it so you can get the light close and not have to worry bout heat. The inline fan will also help keep air moving in your closet.

Another thing, don't forget that you need to get fresh air into your closet. I'm not sure how big the closet is or anything, but plants need a lot of fresh air. Not sure if you are worried about being subtle about growing (parents, neighbors).

Just my 2 cents

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Re: Growing high grade bud, How hard is it? [Re: space]
    #539094 - 03/23/11 03:11 AM (5 years, 8 months ago)

Good genetics are nearly everywhere. Every strain today is pretty kick ass! Really all you need to do is care for your plant. If you get fox farms ocean forest, the soil does all the work for a couple months. Get a little extra's from the hydro store and then you are off!


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Re: Growing high grade bud, How hard is it? [Re: BigBudz]
    #539095 - 03/23/11 03:16 AM (5 years, 8 months ago)

Quality has a lot to do with not overfertlizing, not burning (heat), and flushing considerably.

Genetics are important but nothing would piss me off more than digging into a bag of Haze or OG Kush or whatever that was grown poorly.


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Re: Growing high grade bud, How hard is it? [Re: maryanne3087]
    #539151 - 03/23/11 09:10 AM (5 years, 8 months ago)

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Quality has a lot to do with not overfertlizing




Learned that one the tough way this time around unfortunately :sad:

Every day is a learning experience though.


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Re: Growing high grade bud, How hard is it? [Re: space]
    #539172 - 03/23/11 10:57 AM (5 years, 8 months ago)

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CFL's seem like a good option for their efficiency and price.  Does 250Watts sound like a good amount for a cfl light growing 2 or 4 plants?




You are completely wrong about this. You are about to start your garden with a huge mistake. You can't compare HID lights to shitty cfs's (everybody knows how I feel about these pieces of garbage).

People constantly make the mistake of comparing a 250watt cfl to a 250watt HID. The light output from a 75watt HID light is as bright if not brighter then the light from the 250watt cfl. In order to get the light output of a 250watt HID light you would need at least 1500watts of cfl which takes us to the next mistake people make.
Cfl lights do not run cooler then HID for the amount of light put out. If you have a space lit up by a HID light lets say a 1000watt and it seems like the space is getting to hot so you decide to get cfl's in there place. I'm pretty sure that person would not want the amount of bud per harvest to go down so they need to keep same amount of light. In order to get that amount of light they would need at the least 7000 to 10000watts of cfl lights (actually the number is most likely quit a bit higher then that) just to get close the amount of light put out by the 1000watt light. Now the guys space is way hotter then it was before.

The only good thing about cfl lights is they can be put close to the plants for shot spaces and they are cheap.

I have never seen any garden any place that was grown with cfl lights that wouldn't have been done better if they would have used HIDs

This includes seedlings and cuttings.


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Re: Growing high grade bud, How hard is it? [Re: Magash]
    #539320 - 03/23/11 07:32 PM (5 years, 8 months ago)

ok HID for sure then.  Turning in job applications, will get it on my first paycheck.  My closet is about 3x5x8.  So do you think 400watts is to much?  400 watts and 250 are nearly the same price, just 25 dollars different.  I can get a fan but theres no ac in my closet or ventilation.  I would like to use all 4 of my pots

Since my closet is taller rather than bigger I think I should get a mostly sativa stain.  It sounds like it will be a tripy fun high that I'll like anyways.  Has any one heard of Purple Power or Ice?


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Re: Growing high grade bud, How hard is it? [Re: space]
    #539328 - 03/23/11 08:03 PM (5 years, 8 months ago)

Mines 3x5x8 too, I use a 400 and its a little bit lacking. I don't know if I could grow in the whole space.


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Re: Growing high grade bud, How hard is it? [Re: Magash]
    #539340 - 03/23/11 08:32 PM (5 years, 8 months ago)

Are you talking about initial lumens or canopy lumens?

You're trying to state as fact that HPS is 7-10x better at creating light than CFL per watt with a 1000w HPS as your standard for HID lighting.

1000w HPS = 130-145 000 initial lumens

Standard 32w CFL = 2100-2700 initial lumens

1000/32=31.25*2700=84375

so 1000w of CFLS with 2700 initial lumens per 32w would have a grand total of 84375 lumens. This however could easily be 55 000 lumens at the canopy level or so I assume since a CFL could be 1-2 cm away from the plant. At 2 feet away from the canopy a 1000w produces 35 000 lumens at 3 ft 15555 lumens. Whatever it is it sure doesn't sound like HPS produces 7-10+ times more light per watt than CFL. 1000w HPS produce 110 lumens per watt, 600ws produce 150 lumens per watt, and CFLs produce roughly 66-84 lumens per watt.


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