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Thinking about starting a raw foods diet
    #453733 - 07/31/10 08:14 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Or some other ub3r healthy diet designed to clean me out and give me more energy. Thoughts? Recommendations?

Anyone have any amazing recipes to share?


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Re: Thinking about starting a raw foods diet [Re: Harry_Ba11sach]
    #453734 - 07/31/10 08:24 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Sorry for the bad quality

But It made me think about this Wife swap episode I saw


What are the benefits of a Raw foods diet? and how would you prepare your meals?


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Re: Thinking about starting a raw foods diet [Re: T-Rex]
    #453737 - 07/31/10 08:39 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)



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Re: Thinking about starting a raw foods diet [Re: Inbred_gimp]
    #453739 - 07/31/10 08:43 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

well I can't eat nothing but hemp seeds for every meal of every day :lol:


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Re: Thinking about starting a raw foods diet [Re: Harry_Ba11sach]
    #453747 - 07/31/10 08:59 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

SURE YOU CAN !

make flour out of it and make bread, make almond milk and hemp milk using water and a straining bag. . use that to make porridge with your seeds annd some oats. 

make soups using it and vegetables

:jah:


Hemp Pancakes

Ingredients:

1 cup Red Mill 10-Grain Stone-ground or Arrowhead Pancake and Waffle Mix
1/2 cup toasted shelled hempseeds
1 egg (or 1/2 cup yogurt)
1 tablespoon hemp oil
1 cup water (or soy milk)

Method:

Grind seeds and blend with the mix
Add egg or yogurt and oil and mix
Add water or milk for desired consistency and cook
Top with your favorite topping or fill with your favorite filling


with some fruit there is breakfast.



anyway, heres a few sites with some good recipes.

hempseed recipes

recipes, includes light meals

lame for recipes (but has god guides on making milks+breads etc)



oh and dont forget kelp


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Re: Thinking about starting a raw foods diet [Re: Inbred_gimp]
    #453753 - 07/31/10 09:13 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

banana shake:

1 banana
heavy cream
ice

Blend together. Profit.


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Re: Thinking about starting a raw foods diet [Re: Don King]
    #453760 - 07/31/10 09:25 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Alternatively if you just wanna clean your self out just eat a really good beef vindaloos or something


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Re: Thinking about starting a raw foods diet [Re: Inbred_gimp]
    #453771 - 07/31/10 09:39 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Harry if you want energy I recommend getting your insides cleaned first you can buy a pre op kit from the chemist its a liquid that you drink and it makes you shit out everything then the kit has some mineral and electrolytes you drink that and keep shitting for about 4 hours here and there... once anus is clear you can start (you can used other ways to clear your ass but thats the best way I find and its only about $70)

Now you eat only nuts, veg, beans, brown rice, fruit (lemon too)
you can use oil but dont get all carried away.

No sugars, no wheat, no rye, no dairy no nothing.

after a week you may get really ill and feel faint thats normal in some people and happend to me so I ate half a slice of light rye toasted bread and it went away but try pull through Im just a pussy lol

After that slowly introduce bread and crap into diet again if you do it too fast you will pee from your anus.

I like to get energy from red meat fish and chicken some like to get it from carbs but I find carbs to be retarded so after the flush you can either go back to carbs or go on the protein for energy life


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Re: Thinking about starting a raw foods diet [Re: T-Rex]
    #453776 - 07/31/10 09:43 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

I always saw it as trendy bullshit.

Personally, I would look for more simple and long term steps tyo clean up my diet, and just drink more water.

Cut out all the processed bullshit, star eating more regular, smaller,  meals, etc

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Re: Thinking about starting a raw foods diet [Re: kyuzo]
    #453799 - 07/31/10 10:26 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

SUSHI!!!! yum :laugh:


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Re: Thinking about starting a raw foods diet [Re: Inbred_gimp]
    #453801 - 07/31/10 10:34 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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Inbred_gimp said:
SURE YOU CAN !

make flour out of it and make bread, make almond milk and hemp milk using water and a straining bag. . use that to make porridge with your seeds annd some oats. 

make soups using it and vegetables

:jah:


Hemp Pancakes

Ingredients:

1 cup Red Mill 10-Grain Stone-ground or Arrowhead Pancake and Waffle Mix
1/2 cup toasted shelled hempseeds
1 egg (or 1/2 cup yogurt)
1 tablespoon hemp oil
1 cup water (or soy milk)

Method:

Grind seeds and blend with the mix
Add egg or yogurt and oil and mix
Add water or milk for desired consistency and cook
Top with your favorite topping or fill with your favorite filling


with some fruit there is breakfast.



anyway, heres a few sites with some good recipes.

hempseed recipes

recipes, includes light meals

lame for recipes (but has god guides on making milks+breads etc)



oh and dont forget kelp





Well I definitely appreciate the time and effort you put into this post, but I have to point out that you're missing one essential element;

I'm doing a RAW diet. Bread is cooked. Oatmeal is cooked. Pancakes are cooked.  I'm trying to go for a seriously down to basics diet for at least a week or two. I generally eat pretty healthy as in I don't buy McDonalds or any fast food basically ever, but I do my fare share of the 2am sandwich deliveries when I'm drunk and noodles and company to go etc and that stuff is just downright bad for you.

http://www.thebestofrawfood.com/


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Re: Thinking about starting a raw foods diet [Re: Harry_Ba11sach]
    #453811 - 07/31/10 10:53 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)



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Re: Thinking about starting a raw foods diet [Re: Harry_Ba11sach]
    #453818 - 07/31/10 11:05 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Im in need of a detox bad man... Atm I'm shitting about 3 times a day and am eating so much crap :nonono:


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Re: Thinking about starting a raw foods diet [Re: juke adro]
    #453924 - 08/01/10 11:20 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

:bubbles:

Edited by drawde (11/18/19 08:49 AM)

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Re: Thinking about starting a raw foods diet [Re: drawde]
    #453926 - 08/01/10 11:32 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

or you can have the discussion publicly to benefit more than just one person.  just a suggestion.


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Re: Thinking about starting a raw foods diet [Re: FurrowedBrow]
    #453942 - 08/01/10 12:51 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

That one guy from celebrity fit club has a book with what you might want Harry. For one week you eat nothing but raw fruit and certain vegis to clean out the toxins. I will try and find the name of it.
The guys name is Dr. Ian Smith. He has a 2 week raw cleansing diet and has books on how to maintain a good diet after words and what things are good and what things to avoid. It is just a suggestion. 


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Re: Thinking about starting a raw foods diet [Re: drawde]
    #453945 - 08/01/10 01:08 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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Hey, if your serious about this PM me if you like and you can have a discussion with someone who knows the subject.




I agree with furrowed on this one. I'm absolutely serious about this, but I think we should have the discussion in the public forum so that anyone else who's curious can learn from our talks and give it a try too. You'd be surprised how many health-conscious people are on this board, and how many may benefit from your knowledge :wink:


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Re: Thinking about starting a raw foods diet [Re: Harry_Ba11sach]
    #453956 - 08/01/10 01:39 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

you want to be cleansed?
I have a guaranteed cleanse for you.

2 weeks- no drugs, no meat, no dairy. Just veggies and fruits, a little bread, and eat hemp. Also no sex... well maybe tantric sex. :tongue2:

also lots of meditation every single day and time outside with nature

a lot of clean water

all this for 2 weeks.


Once it has been 2 weeks ingest a large dose of ayahuasca.

:raver2:


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Re: Thinking about starting a raw foods diet [Re: FRACTALife]
    #453960 - 08/01/10 01:43 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

FRACTALife said:
you want to be cleansed?
I have a guaranteed cleanse for you.

2 weeks- no drugs, no meat, no dairy. Just veggies and fruits, a little bread, and eat hemp. Also no sex... well maybe tantric sex. :tongue2:

also lots of meditation every single day and time outside with nature

a lot of clean water

all this for 2 weeks.


Once it has been 2 weeks ingest a large dose of ayahuasca.

:raver2:



thats intense, im going to do this when i have 2 weeks of free.

im not sure if ayahuasca is going to be my choice though :lol:


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Re: Thinking about starting a raw foods diet [Re: Harry_Ba11sach]
    #453963 - 08/01/10 01:52 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

:bubbles:

Edited by drawde (11/18/19 08:50 AM)

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Re: Thinking about starting a raw foods diet [Re: iStoner]
    #453964 - 08/01/10 01:57 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

iStoner said:
Quote:

FRACTALife said:
you want to be cleansed?
I have a guaranteed cleanse for you.

2 weeks- no drugs, no meat, no dairy. Just veggies and fruits, a little bread, and eat hemp. Also no sex... well maybe tantric sex. :tongue2:

also lots of meditation every single day and time outside with nature

a lot of clean water

all this for 2 weeks.


Once it has been 2 weeks ingest a large dose of ayahuasca.

:raver2:



thats intense, im going to do this when i have 2 weeks of free.

im not sure if ayahuasca is going to be my choice though :lol:



yage' (aya) is the best for this. awe inspiriting i hear.
but a large dose of mushroosm with maybe some syrian rue would do good too!


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Re: Thinking about starting a raw foods diet [Re: drawde]
    #453998 - 08/01/10 03:44 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

drawde said:
Quote:

Harry_Ba11sach said:
Quote:

drawde said:
Hey, if your serious about this PM me if you like and you can have a discussion with someone who knows the subject.




I agree with furrowed on this one. I'm absolutely serious about this, but I think we should have the discussion in the public forum so that anyone else who's curious can learn from our talks and give it a try too. You'd be surprised how many health-conscious people are on this board, and how many may benefit from your knowledge :wink:




Fair enough. First I think you should elaborate on what your goals are with such a diet, current diet/lifestyle, what changes your willing to make, etc. Its all about what will work with you because optimizing health can really go farther than any sane person is willing to take it.

edit: thanks for the rating dude but Im not a raw foodist... I just know a bit more about it than the average person.




Well current lifestyle; Very busy. I do my best to eat healthy, but there's probably 6-10 times a week where I'm busy or just lazy and end up ordering delivery or going to like Einstein Bagels for breakfast or something. Not exactly terrible eating habits, but they could definitely be better. As for exercise I basically never stop moving. I play tennis, disc golf, ride my bike or go hiking almost every single day. The problem is that my eating habits are not conducive to my active lifestyle and that's my main reason for wanting this diet. I can basically feel all the old shitty food just sitting in my gut and I feel very weighed down for some reason. I feel like doing a week or two stint of raw foods (and who knows, could end up being a forever thing if the change is drastic and positive enough) primarily to cleanse my gut and all the other toxins from my body. I'm willing to really do whatever is necessary to get as healthy as possible. I'm committed to a raw foods diet, but open to alternative suggestions if you think there's a smarter, or healthier diet idea I should consider.

Oh, and I changed your rating :wink:


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Re: Thinking about starting a raw foods diet [Re: Harry_Ba11sach]
    #454025 - 08/01/10 04:37 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Well, ultimately I would encourage doing your own research and finding out what works best for you, we are all different and what works best for me might not be right for you. Its an ongoing journey of trial and error.

Raw foods are definitely super healthy, as in fruits and veggies, nuts and seeds and legumes, although I am not too sure about the whole raw milk thing people do. No one is really in agreement that a raw food diet is the pinnacle of human nutrition, although there is certainly a niche group that believes that. There are so many great foods that you have to cook though, like quinoa which is only recently being realized as a superfood.

Its really good your exercising as it is so key. What does an average, what you would consider more healthy day of eating look like for you, as in breakfast, lunch, dinner and snacks?


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Re: Thinking about starting a raw foods diet [Re: Harry_Ba11sach]
    #454186 - 08/02/10 03:22 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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Quote:

drawde said:
Hey, if your serious about this PM me if you like and you can have a discussion with someone who knows the subject.




I agree with furrowed on this one. I'm absolutely serious about this, but I think we should have the discussion in the public forum so that anyone else who's curious can learn from our talks and give it a try too. You'd be surprised how many health-conscious people are on this board, and how many may benefit from your knowledge :wink:




This is why i put the` time into my post :jah: Never know whos gonna read it, never know whos gonna decide to make the change and every person counts ! i hate thinking about how much pollution eating the products i buy from supermarkets and shit makes, thats why i want to grow everything i need to consume plant matter wise, kill 1 cow a year, and fish my own fish.


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Re: Thinking about starting a raw foods diet [Re: Inbred_gimp]
    #454188 - 08/02/10 04:01 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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thats why i want to grow everything i need to consume plant matter wise, kill 1 cow a year, and fish my own fish.




He is serious too, we sat and he explained the whole process to me


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Re: Thinking about starting a raw foods diet [Re: Inbred_gimp]
    #454204 - 08/02/10 08:19 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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This is why i put the` time into my post :jah: Never know whos gonna read it, never know whos gonna decide to make the change and every person counts ! i hate thinking about how much pollution eating the products i buy from supermarkets and shit makes, thats why i want to grow everything i need to consume plant matter wise, kill 1 cow a year, and fish my own fish.




Good for you! Imagine if everyone had that attitude. I do a shit ton of gardening myself, have about 60 potato plants, 45 tomatoes, 30 peppers, a nice cucumber patch and a ton of lettuce, green beans, garlic, carrots, etc. Buying organic from the supermarket instead of regular stuff helps a ton on the ecological front, but its expensive as we all know.

I agree totally with you on sharing knowledge because we all have something we can bring to the table, but sometimes personal things like diet is easier to talk about one on one thats why I threw the offer out there.


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Re: Thinking about starting a raw foods diet [Re: drawde]
    #454206 - 08/02/10 08:48 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

I guess a typical day of eating for me looks something like this;

Breakfast-
Granola (really nice stuff, flax and hemp seed all over the place)
Yogurt
Banana if I've got one
Coffee (EVERY morning. I wish I could stop this one but it's my one vice)

Lunch-
3 cheese Tortellini.
OR
eat out... Sandwich, Noodles and company etc.

Dinner-

Chicken and Pasta and grilled Zucchini
OR
Steak stir fry.

:shrug: something like that. It's kinda hard to pinpoint a full day of foods for me for some reason :lol: maybe I'll try again when I didn't just wake up


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Re: Thinking about starting a raw foods diet [Re: Harry_Ba11sach]
    #454219 - 08/02/10 09:40 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

i used to eat nothing but fruit and veggie shakes until dinner, when i would eat a normal meal.

tastes great, and is really healthy.


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I think y'all need to look up the definition for pedophile.

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Re: Thinking about starting a raw foods diet [Re: Harry_Ba11sach]
    #454262 - 08/02/10 01:37 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

I always found the best step in situations like this is to start keeping a journal of when and what you eat and drink. 

It will need to be a bit detailed, with youcalculating the amount of calories per day, protein, carbs and fat. This way you have an idea of what you're working with, and can easily recognize any obvious issues, and then start working from there (think of it as someone asking you what's wrong with their grow w/o outlining their growing conditions).


Also, if you're a vegetarian, pay special attention to your protein intake, especially if you're living an active lifestyle (for endurance athletes I think the recommended intake is1-1.5 grams per day).

But for two quick fixes to that bloated feeling after meals, I would just drink more water (shoot for a gallon per day), and try breaking your meals down to 5-6 small snacks/meals per day.

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Re: Thinking about starting a raw foods diet [Re: Harry_Ba11sach]
    #454281 - 08/02/10 02:44 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

You seem to eat a fair amount of animal products, so the first thing I would recommend is starting off slowly or the transition could be a pretty big shock to your system. . If you gradually eat more and more raw whole foods, you will likely feel a lot better and be much more inclined to stick to it if you change everything all at once and feel like crap after a week or two.  Its all about what works for YOU.

Raw food diets are pretty much pure vegetarian unless you do the whole raw milk thing which seems questionable at best. Good news though, the benefit of a plant based diet is becoming realized more and more by science.

Things you may want to start eating:
Apples
Avocados
Asparagus
Brocolli
Cabbage
Carrots
Cucumber
Celery (best to only eat organic, lots of pesticides)
Kale
Mushroom
Onion
Peppers
Radish
Spinach
Squash
Tomatoes
Zuchini

Blackberries
Blueberries
Coconut
Grape
Grapefruit
Melon
Mango
Orange
Pear
Kiwi
Melon
Mango
Peach
Plum
Papaya

Almonds
Chia seeds
Hemp seeds
Macadamia
Flax seeds
Sunflower seeds
Pastachio

Sprouted:
Chick peas
Adzuki beans
Kidney beans
Mung beans
Red lentils
Green lentils
Black beans
Alfalfa
Chia seeds


Dulse
Kelp
Raw protein supplements
Vit. B12 Methyl supplement (if you ever go full out raw)
Possibly an omega supplement if you dont do flax

Things you may want to start avoiding:
Red meats
Poultry
Pork
Fish
Dairy
White flour
Wheat in general
Refined sugars
Coffee (acidifies the blood, although it is an excellent antioxidant)
Corn
Potatoes
Eggs
Alcohol (yeah I know this is a tough one)
Yeast

Like I said, one would have to be pretty intense to not eat any of the bad list, hell I just had a white flour burrito with corn and it was delicious. So the key is to find the moderation that works for you. Although for some that no moderation works best (the lucky ones! definitely not me). I will admit though, our societies idea of moderation is pretty far off base IMO.

What is your body type? Are you ectomorphic (generally skinny, smaller framed), mesomorphic (average build, moderate body fat), or endomorphic (large frame, high bodyfat)? Some people, typically ectomorphs it seems, find it hard to get enough calories in a raw food diet so you have to eat a lot of the higher calorie items like nuts and sprouted beans. Other people may find its hard to get enough protein (although you certain CAN get a ton of protein just from the whole, plant based foods) so you can supplement with a raw protein powder. A company by the name of Sun Warrior makes an excellent raw protein powder from brown rice, it not only has an excellent amino acid profile but is a powerful antioxidant (anti-cancer). The other thing is the omega fats, which flax seed is a great source of. Otherwise you may want to take a cold-pressed (raw) omega oil supplement.

I hope I have not overwhelmed you with info here, remember baby steps!


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Re: Thinking about starting a raw foods diet [Re: kyuzo]
    #454285 - 08/02/10 02:50 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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kyuzo said:
I always found the best step in situations like this is to start keeping a journal of when and what you eat and drink. 

It will need to be a bit detailed, with youcalculating the amount of calories per day, protein, carbs and fat. This way you have an idea of what you're working with, and can easily recognize any obvious issues, and then start working from there (think of it as someone asking you what's wrong with their grow w/o outlining their growing conditions).


Also, if you're a vegetarian, pay special attention to your protein intake, especially if you're living an active lifestyle (for endurance athletes I think the recommended intake is1-1.5 grams per day).

But for two quick fixes to that bloated feeling after meals, I would just drink more water (shoot for a gallon per day), and try breaking your meals down to 5-6 small snacks/meals per day.




Definitely agree with you on the journal, water intake and smaller meals more frequently, good points!

However, I just want to say that the vegetarians and protein stigma that has seemed to be around forever is pretty much bunk. If you eat a varied enough diet, you really do not have to worry about protein at all. A lot of individual plant foods may not be very high in protein, but they may have a very high level of one or more amino acids. Remember, proteins are just a chain of amino acids, all of which are broken down in the body to produce our own proteins. So if a vegetarians diet is varied enough, they will get enough of all the amino acids from various sources without making a specific effort to get protein, like the old rice and beans thing.

I do agree though that for a vegetarian that is more active, it is a benefit to make an effort to get more protein.


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Re: Thinking about starting a raw foods diet [Re: drawde]
    #454311 - 08/02/10 04:30 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

"However, I just want to say that the vegetarians and protein stigma that has seemed to be around forever is pretty much bunk. If you eat a varied enough diet, you really do not have to worry about protein at all."

Sure, but the problem is that people don't put that much thought into it and basically stick with their standard, unhealthy, diet, but now without the meat. 

I literally know dozens of veg-heads who eat stuff like french fries and and white pasta for every meal.  And chances are, if you're eating like that, you're probably not getting enough protein


"Raw food diets are pretty much pure vegetarian unless you do the whole raw milk thing which seems questionable at best."

Though I would never do it, there's a big movement with eating raw meat, as part of a raw diet.

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    #454314 - 08/02/10 04:53 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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Though I would never do it, there's a big movement with eating raw meat, as part of a raw diet.




I'm actually a major fan of sashimi, and I will likely stick with that because I feel animal products supply certain necessary nutrients that plants simply don't produce.

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You seem to eat a fair amount of animal products, so the first thing I would recommend is starting off slowly or the transition could be a pretty big shock to your system. . If you gradually eat more and more raw whole foods, you will likely feel a lot better and be much more inclined to stick to it if you change everything all at once and feel like crap after a week or two.  Its all about what works for YOU.

Raw food diets are pretty much pure vegetarian unless you do the whole raw milk thing which seems questionable at best. Good news though, the benefit of a plant based diet is becoming realized more and more by science.





I don't generally eat that much meat, so I guess my list was slightly mis representative in that regard. I do however eat a fair amount of just plain animal products (yogurt, milk, cheese etc). I'm going to slowly wean myself off that by continuing sashimi and cold smoked salmon as well as some raw fresh mozzarella and raw goat cheese. That way I'm still raw but while maintaining a certain amount of animal products to not try and shock my body too hard.

What I've eaten today;

Breakfast-
Banana
Apple cut into slices and dipped into raw cashew butter.

Delicious and filling :thumbup:

Snacks-
Brocolli and carrots used as chips with hummus

Lunch-
Salad with spinach, kale, walnuts, avocado, craisins, and sprouts (broccoli and alfalfa).  The dressing technically had toasted sesame oil in it, but I think if that's the worst transgression then I'm doing really freakin' well.



As for my body type, I'm an ectomorph but not freakishly skinny. I used to be around 5'9" and 115lbs but in the last 5 years I've put considerable effort into working out and bulking up with some muscle so I'm right at around 140lb right now. very low amount of body fat as always because I'm very active and athletic.


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Re: Thinking about starting a raw foods diet [Re: kyuzo]
    #454324 - 08/02/10 05:15 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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"However, I just want to say that the vegetarians and protein stigma that has seemed to be around forever is pretty much bunk. If you eat a varied enough diet, you really do not have to worry about protein at all."

Sure, but the problem is that people don't put that much thought into it and basically stick with their standard, unhealthy, diet, but now without the meat.




For sure, there are bad diets no matter what the style is.

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I literally know dozens of veg-heads who eat stuff like french fries and and white pasta for every meal.  And chances are, if you're eating like that, you're probably not getting enough protein




Go look for recomended protein intake... you will come up with a hundred different numbers and if you dont, your not looking hard enough. Truth is there is no agreed upon intake of protein, ever notice how there is %RDA for everything but protein on nutrition labels?
The only certain thing is that the only way to be truly protein deficient is to eat nothing but pure sugar.

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"Raw food diets are pretty much pure vegetarian unless you do the whole raw milk thing which seems questionable at best."

Though I would never do it, there's a big movement with eating raw meat, as part of a raw diet.




I can only imagine the fungal/bacterial growth on that unless your standing beside the fresh carcass eating.


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    #454330 - 08/02/10 05:28 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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I feel animal products supply certain necessary nutrients that plants simply don't produce.




Not necessarily true... the only vitamin/nutrient that there is not a reliable plant source for is Vitamin B12, and even then the agreement upon that is sketchy. Many argue that as a reason man is not truly vegetarian, but some prominent nutritionists are now claiming the reason for this is the lack of fertility in our chemed-out soil. There have even been studies showing meat-eaters to be deficient. Either way B12 supplementation costs like 7 cents a day.

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I'm going to slowly wean myself off that by continuing sashimi and cold smoked salmon as well as some raw fresh mozzarella and raw goat cheese. That way I'm still raw but while maintaining a certain amount of animal products to not try and shock my body too hard.




If you have looked into raw dairy thoroughly then go for it, otherwise I would encourage you to do your research because raw dairy is seriously sketchy.

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Raw milk and raw dairy products may carry many types of disease-causing germs such as Campylobacter, Escherichia coli, Listeria, Salmonella, Yersinia, and Brucella. When raw milk or raw milk products become contaminated, people who eat the contaminated foods can get sick. Here are a few examples of outbreaks that have been reported since 2000:

2001: Outbreak of Campylobacter jejuni infections from drinking "raw" or unpasteurized milk.
2003: Outbreak of Listeria monocytogenes infections from eating unpasteurized queso fresco (a Mexican-style soft cheese)
2003: Outbreak of Salmonella infections from eating unpasteurized queso fresco.
2004: Outbreak of E. coli.O157 infections from eating unpasteurized queso fresco



http://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=63465


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Salad with spinach, kale, walnuts, avocado, craisins, and sprouts (broccoli and alfalfa).  The dressing technically had toasted sesame oil in it, but I think if that's the worst transgression then I'm doing really freakin' well.




That sounds awesomely good.

Was the hummus raw too? Most store bought is from cooked chick peas and the cans come cooked. I have some chick peas sprouting to try some raw hummus for the first time, should be good. And yeah... your doing pretty well.


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Re: Thinking about starting a raw foods diet [Re: Harry_Ba11sach]
    #454332 - 08/02/10 05:43 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

"I'm actually a major fan of sashimi, and I will likely stick with that because I feel animal products supply certain necessary nutrients that plants simply don't produce."


I can handle some shashimi. 

I'm talking about a qp of rib-eye bloody as fuck, washed down with some raw eggs

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Re: Thinking about starting a raw foods diet [Re: kyuzo]
    #454334 - 08/02/10 05:46 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

"Go look for recomended protein intake... you will come up with a hundred different numbers and if you dont, your not looking hard enough. Truth is there is no agreed upon intake of protein, ever notice how there is %RDA for everything but protein on nutrition labels?
The only certain thing is that the only way to be truly protein deficient is to eat nothing but pure sugar. "

As far as i am aware of there is disagreement about antiquate intake concerning pretty much every nutrient.  And the reason an RDA recommendation doesn't appear on packaging is because it's a variable number, based on body weight:


""""The recommended dietary allowance
(RDA) for protein is based on how
much you weigh. The RDA is about
0.4 grams protein for every pound of
body weight.""""

http://www.dining.ucla.edu/housing_site/dining/SNAC_pdf/ProteinPro.pdf

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Re: Thinking about starting a raw foods diet [Re: drawde]
    #454365 - 08/02/10 07:26 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

ahh well fuck, I honestly didn't know that about the hummus. I guess I need to buy some raw chickpeas and make some myself then because hummus is delicious and a great way to get some fiber and protein.

And thanks for the info on the raw dairy too. I guess I'll try to avoid it because it sounds a little too dangerous, although I might try to find some unpasteurized milk from a local farmer that I trust and maybe make my own cheese. I would imagine 99.9% of the risk comes from careless farmers, because fresh milk straight from the udder is obviously uncontaminated.

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I feel animal products supply certain necessary nutrients that plants simply don't produce.




Not necessarily true... the only vitamin/nutrient that there is not a reliable plant source for is Vitamin B12, and even then the agreement upon that is sketchy. Many argue that as a reason man is not truly vegetarian, but some prominent nutritionists are now claiming the reason for this is the lack of fertility in our chemed-out soil. There have even been studies showing meat-eaters to be deficient. Either way B12 supplementation costs like 7 cents a day.





I guess I wasn't talking necessarily about vitamins specifically, just in general that the tissue types are completely different so logically there are bound to be some differences in their nutritional content. Even if it's just a type of protein, amino acid. :shrug:


So I made a similar thread on the shroomery and someone posted this in response. I'm curious to get your thoughts on it;



Food For Thought: Meat-Based Diet Made Us Smarter
Here's another great article. 

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As we slice up the turnip and put the potatoes in a pot, Wrangham explains that even after we started eating meat, raw food just didn't pack the energy to build the big-brained, small-toothed modern human. He cites research that showed that people on a raw food diet, including meat and oil, lost a lot of weight. Many said they felt better, but also experienced chronic energy deficiency. And half the women in the experiment stopped menstruating.

It's not as if raw food isn't nutritious; it's just harder for the body to get at the nutrition.


Wrangham urges me to try some raw turnip. Not too bad, but hardly enough to get the juices flowing. "They've got a tremendous amount of caloric energy in them," he says. "The problem is that it's in the form of starch, which unless you cook it, does not give you very much."

Then there's all the chewing that raw food requires. Chimps, for example, sometimes chew for six hours a day. That actually consumes a lot of energy.




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    #454532 - 08/03/10 11:13 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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ahh well fuck, I honestly didn't know that about the hummus. I guess I need to buy some raw chickpeas and make some myself then because hummus is delicious and a great way to get some fiber and protein.




Im not sure if you can get fresh raw chick peas. Most come dried and you can sprout them. Just fill up a mason jar like 1/3 the way up with the chick peas then the rest with water and cover the top with a cloth. Change the water everyday and you will have beautiful sprouts in a few days.


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I guess I wasn't talking necessarily about vitamins specifically, just in general that the tissue types are completely different so logically there are bound to be some differences in their nutritional content. Even if it's just a type of protein, amino acid.




Here is the amino acid profile of beef steak:


Now lets look at, oh lets say a potato:

http://nutritiondata.self.com/

If there is any amino acid in a less than par ratio the blue segments are shown as grey.
The potato is only behind in score, which is availability... but its not far behind now is it? It still has all nine essential amino acids the body cannot make present.


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So I made a similar thread on the shroomery and someone posted this in response. I'm curious to get your thoughts on it;

Food For Thought: Meat-Based Diet Made Us Smarter
Here's another great article.




Its been a while since I read up on this stuff, and I dont really feel like reading all about it again because much of it is opinion. As far as I know the archaeologic anthropology community really is not in agreement about this stuff. I heard there is evidence early man was more a gatherer than hunter as it took a lot of energy to hunt. But one thing we can clearly see today is our own bodies, which have more in common with herbivores than carnivores. Our digestive tract is longer than that of a carnivore, we have soft fingernails and hands which is not in line with a predators aggressive claws, the "canine" teeth are thought to be more for eating tough fruit and nuts, the same teeth that herbivorous monkeys have. Just my thoughts, you can really argue either side it seems.... to me the topic is kind of moot because plant-based diets work so well today. Not saying dont eat meat, just saying dont tell me my veggies are inferior.


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Re: Thinking about starting a raw foods diet [Re: drawde]
    #454973 - 08/04/10 09:42 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

well I guess I'm doing it right in terms of the detox thing, I've been shitting my brains out the last two days and I had an absolute rage of a headache last night. I hear that's all an expected part of the detox process so I'm gonna just suck it up, but man I was dying last night for about 2-3 hours. I think the hardest part is that I'm trying to still exercise daily in order to maintain my muscle mass and stamina during this otherwise my muscles will just atrophy and all my weight loss will be from muscle and not fat (not that I really have any fat to lose, but still).  The physical labor is definitely wearing me out though.
One thing that's really nice though, I feel great in the mornings now. I don't feel groggy in the slightest when I first wake up, I just feel fantastic and practically fly out of bed.


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    #455215 - 08/04/10 10:07 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Well no headache today! I felt a little distant I suppose but no downright headache which is a definite improvement. However, last night I made a smoothie and didn't realize that the orange juice I used for it was pasteurized so technically I broke my diet, but I'm hoping that doesn't have anything to do with my lack of headache today. I guess we'll find out tomorrow.


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    #455261 - 08/05/10 12:14 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

You're not going to experience much muscle loss just from taking it easy for a few weeks. And Atrophy is the type of shit people worry about when they are actually bed ridden, or immobile in some way.


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well I guess I'm doing it right in terms of the detox thing, I've been shitting my brains out the last two days and I had an absolute rage of a headache last night. I hear that's all an expected part of the detox process so I'm gonna just suck it up, but man I was dying last night for about 2-3 hours. I think the hardest part is that I'm trying to still exercise daily in order to maintain my muscle mass and stamina during this otherwise my muscles will just atrophy and all my weight loss will be from muscle and not fat (not that I really have any fat to lose, but still).  The physical labor is definitely wearing me out though.
One thing that's really nice though, I feel great in the mornings now. I don't feel groggy in the slightest when I first wake up, I just feel fantastic and practically fly out of bed.



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Re: Thinking about starting a raw foods diet [Re: kyuzo]
    #455274 - 08/05/10 12:38 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

I am glad to hear your headaches are getting better. I do not think the smoothy would really count. Honest mistake no one is going to hold it against you lol.


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    #455337 - 08/05/10 08:38 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

I'm a skinny fucker :lol: I can literally lose 5lbs of muscle from not working out for 2 weeks. I'm seriously a skinny fucking guy and if I don't do pullups and pushups at least 3 times a week I start to atrophy


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