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 captain.koons
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Registered: 06/25/08
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Pumps are cheap enough.
The Donk and Blue Satellite 2.2 would probably be your best bet. I don't know much about the commercial side of Donk but it's half BS2.2 and finish around the same time.
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Harry_Ba11sach
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I hear that Donk comes from the same father plant as BS2.2 and the mom plant is an unknown clone of absurdly high yields and very satisfactory potency. I'm assuming the yield is what you're referring to by the "commercial side"?
And I guess I could always pick up another pump, but with these systems I'd need a whole separate controller box. I'm using the Ebb and Grow
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captain.koons
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I don't know about ebb and flo pots as I've always used tables. I also don't know about ANY pre constructed setups as I'm a DIYer. Having to flush at the same time isn't really ideal at all even within the same seed line IMO two different strains could be rather unfortunate. ONE thing you can do is you could cut back on your feeding a lot to compromise between the two strains (if any is needed) and then perhaps do a short flush, I don't know how that will work for you but it's an option.
I meant yields by commercial side. 
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Harry_Ba11sach
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captain.koons said:
Having to flush at the same time isn't really ideal at all even within the same seed line
So then how do you do it with your tables? just clones only?
I guess maybe I should just run some clones the first round to make sure that the system works and then I'll run some of these seeds either in my little closet or somewhere else. Starting a seed line and picking the best phenotype for a mother is a time and space consuming process 
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 DungenessDank
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Especially with a plant limit. Gotta border the line of being a criminal/patient just to get the best medicine.
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captain.koons
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I usually run from seed in hand watered coco or even soil. I may select my clones from vegging them to save time instead of judging them from their finished flowers which some may think is foolish but I find keepers just as fast I just try to maximize yield as much as possible along the way. I may run 2-3 phenos from a pack of seeds though discarding the males, runts, hermies, and untame phenotypes(stuff that won't work well in a SoG for example) if any. It's a real pain to not monocrop, I don't like dealing with taller plants and such, although you can raise the runts and whatnot it's just a pain.
I've run multiple phenotypes of the same strain on a table once against the advice of... someone and I wasn't pleased with the uneven canopy and the compromise of all the plants sharing the same nutrients. I just flushed for twice as long to fix this but no doubt this will decrease your yield potential A LOT. I've done this more than once too.
I think even vegging a seedling for 4-6weeks until it can bare you a bunch of clones without knowing their characteristics beyond veg is better than running seeds in hydro on a single reservoir. If you're patient hand watered coco and growing out all the seeds before selecting your keeper you will monocrop with would be the best.
Monocrops indoors increase yields considerably esp if the seeds don't grow out into relatively uniform plants. Just think how will you deal with a phenotype that results in 3x stretch and another with half as much stretch? It's a mother fucking pain, you might be semi used to it as you've grown multiple strains in the same area but I don't have the same patience.
When I move and set up shop again, I'm going to grow my seeds in coco pots veg them for a few weeks taking a clone from each to be flowered for sexing, culling the males and their vegging counterparts, depending on how many clones I produce before getting too eager I'll either do a SoG or grow out a clone of each female to maturity before doing a SoG run. The increase in yield doing a monocrop makes this worth while imo. I'm going to start a buttload of seeds though, I've got a seedcross that does very uniform heavy and fast plants so I'll probably start tons of those I need variety 
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captain.koons
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Starting a seed line and picking the best phenotype for a mother is a time and space consuming process
It's also really rewarding to harvest a crop of entirely the best weed tailored for your desires. I'm not a huge fan of the acquisition of clones as I believe in diversity and personal selection. I like to grow lots of seeds, keep my keeper around until I've either got a surplus of weed (like that's possible) or until another keeper is ready for a run. It's nice if you can get friends to grow seeds and keep clones for you and possibly get your seeds repaid in bud with interest or a cut of their grow if you're the overseerer.
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Harry_Ba11sach
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well my original plan was to space the 24 under the 2kw light, but now I'm thinking I might just jam all 24 under a single light or like a light and a half and then have all my handwatered females under the rest of the space. Out of a pack of 10 seeds I'm only going to see like 5-8 females so that sounds very doable for handwatering. I might go with soil on that for simplicity sake, but I haven't done soil in years so maybe just some hempy's would be a good idea since I'm so familiar with that growing style it would allow me to really pick a pheno that I like. Then of course after I harvest all the clones in the Ebb and Grow and I have a nice pheno I like from the seeds I can do a full run of clones from the pheno I select from the seeds
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captain.koons
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Running clones in hydro until you get your seeds sorted is probably a good idea. Not worth the loss of yield and complications IMO. I really suggest you try a monocrop, having the light low enough to cover the canopy really improves yields.. 3" = 15% more light..
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