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 Mr. Hands
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 A high heat situation 
#383145 - 03/13/10 09:03 PM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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I have a small room that gets incredibly hot in the summer. I am mulling over several solutions to this situation:
1. Purchasing a good LED setup that is equivalent to a 600 watt H.P.S.
2. Purchasing some other light source (CFL, flourescent, etc..) that is equivalent to a 600 watt H.P.S.
3. Venting my High Pressure Sodium hood heat outside.
I think I would prefer to do the LED setup idea because they supposedly last for ten years or more and produce little heat. The cons of LED's (less yield, expensive initial cost, etc..) don't really bother me that much. As it is I can't grow in the summer anyway because my room is like 90+ degrees so a crappy yield is better than none.
Just wondering if anybody had any suggestions.
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 Stoneth
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Re: A high heat situation [Re: Mr. Hands]
#383152 - 03/13/10 09:12 PM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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I would choose number 3.
For the price of a led you could easily vent your hood outside.
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captain.koons
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Re: A high heat situation [Re: Mr. Hands]
#383163 - 03/13/10 09:29 PM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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Quote:
Mr. Hands said:
1. Purchasing a good LED setup that is equivalent to a 600 watt H.P.S.
2. Purchasing some other light source (CFL, flourescent, etc..) that is equivalent to a 600 watt H.P.S.
3. Venting my High Pressure Sodium hood heat outside.
If you don't care about the lower yield and likely fluffy buds you might want to try the LED setup. I hear they're good for veg and cloning but no one seems to get good results for flowering.
If the lower yield and fluffy buds do bother you I'd suggest going with HPS vented to the outdoors.
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Hawksresurrection
Registered: 12/04/08
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Re: A high heat situation [Re: Mr. Hands]
#383179 - 03/13/10 09:35 PM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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Quote:
Mr. Hands said:
I have a small room that gets incredibly hot in the summer. I am mulling over several solutions to this situation:
3. Venting my High Pressure Sodium hood heat outside.
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Mr. Hands
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Re: A high heat situation [Re: Stoneth]
#383180 - 03/13/10 09:36 PM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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I should note that I have another reason for desiring an LED light - it would be nice to have another growing light. I could have both my LED light and my H.P.S. light running in the same room during the winter and get even more yield. Also, with the thing lasting ten years, that eliminates the need to buy a new $100 H.P.S. bulb every year (which sucks by the way).
Is the yield that much less with LED's? Hypothetically, if I am getting ten ounces with a 600 watt H.P.S. how much would I get with the equivalent LED?
I am also freaked out about the vented heat and associated noise that comes along with that. I don't want the neighbors getting in my business and such.
Edited by Mr. Hands (03/13/10 09:41 PM)
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Hawksresurrection
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Re: A high heat situation [Re: Mr. Hands]
#383200 - 03/13/10 09:48 PM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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It will be a very significant decrease in yield. Hard to say how much less. Using them in conjunction would work just fine for you and will increase your yields.
But honestly CFL's are way cheaper and you could just use those at the same time as your HPS.
Why this fascination with a light source that is still so young in it's development?? One day LED may get to a point where it is both affordable and perform as well as HID lights, but that's a ways off.
As far as you exhaust. How close to your neighbors are you?? You can get duct mufflers help reduce the noise, as well as use a carbon filter for smell. HID is the way to go man.
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Mr. Hands
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Quote:
hawksapprentice said:
Why this fascination with a light source that is still so young in it's development?? One day LED may get to a point where it is both affordable and perform as well as HID lights, but that's a ways off.
Well, I have seen some people say that they got decent LED yields. As I look through online sites I see cheap LED's for like $80, but then I see super-expensive ones. I was making the assumption that maybe the more expensive ones are better and perform reasonably well...? But, admittedly I am just guessing on that.
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hawksapprentice said:
As far as you exhaust. How close to your neighbors are you?? You can get duct mufflers help reduce the noise, as well as use a carbon filter for smell. HID is the way to go man.
Carbon filters cost big money as well. To get a decent one that could scrub my whole room would be like $400 (which has to be replaced every 16 months). Add in a fan, a muffler, flanges, a hose, etc.. and it would be even more. This shit starts to add up. I was just wondering if an LED light would be more cost effective in the long run.
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Hawksresurrection
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Re: A high heat situation [Re: Mr. Hands]
#383234 - 03/13/10 10:07 PM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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Quote:
Mr. Hands said:
Quote:
hawksapprentice said:
As far as you exhaust. How close to your neighbors are you?? You can get duct mufflers help reduce the noise, as well as use a carbon filter for smell. HID is the way to go man.
Carbon filters cost big money as well. To get a decent one that could scrub my whole room would be like $400 (which has to be replaced every 16 months). Add in a fan, a muffler, flanges, a hose, etc.. and it would be even more. This shit starts to add up. I was just wondering if an LED light would be more cost effective in the long run.
We'll for the yield you get with HID it makes up for the cost. That's if your grow for profit.
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Hawksresurrection
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It sounds like your already set on the LED idea. If your wanting to do it so badly just buy one and see how you like it.
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Mr. Hands
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Quote:
hawksapprentice said:
It sounds like your already set on the LED idea. If your wanting to do it so badly just buy one and see how you like it.
Well, I'm a newb. I was hoping that somebody with LED experience would chime in. Like I said, I am willing to deal with a mildly decreased yield. But, if I only get one ounce of shitty stringy buds out of a high-quality and expensive LED then it is obviously not worth it.
Edited by Mr. Hands (03/14/10 07:53 AM)
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Hawksresurrection
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Re: A high heat situation [Re: Mr. Hands]
#383251 - 03/13/10 10:27 PM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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The side by side comparison grows that I've seen show exactly what you just stated. The LED's produced shitty bud. Also in conversing with people who have tried them I was able to ascertain that they're not worth it whatsoever. They ended up returning them and getting buying more HID's with the money.
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captain.koons
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Re: A high heat situation [Re: Mr. Hands]
#383252 - 03/13/10 10:27 PM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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also 600w of cfl will generate more heat than the HIDS, the hids have the most light produced with least heat produced cfls aren't as good in this department.
I think on cannabis.com fourms someone had a 6 UFO led setup that they were testing I don't know how it went cuz I stopped following it.
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Mr. Hands
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Quote:
hawksapprentice said:
The side by side comparison grows that I've seen show exactly what you just stated. The LED's produced shitty bud. Also in conversing with people who have tried them I was able to ascertain that they're not worth it whatsoever. They ended up returning them and getting buying more HID's with the money.
Hm...
I am willing to deal with a 50% less yield when comparing LED to H.P.S. But, significantly less than that and I have to spend hours clipping tiny and stringy little buds only to get a couple of ounces. That is not worth it in my opinion. I'd almost rather not grow during the summer (which is what I have done up to this point anyway) than deal with all that hassle for such pathetic yields.
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coda
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Re: A high heat situation [Re: Mr. Hands]
#383429 - 03/14/10 10:41 AM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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that eliminates the need to buy a new $100 H.P.S. bulb every year (which sucks by the way).
Ultra sun bulbs are just as bright, sometimes brighter, then a comparable Hortilux bulb. Cost 40-50 bucks cheaper too. No need to spend 100$ on a bulb 
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captain.koons
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Re: A high heat situation [Re: coda]
#383431 - 03/14/10 10:44 AM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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Cool Metal Halides run cooler than HPS or MH too :o
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captain.koons
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 http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/7616/user113885pic2643124937.jpg
for those interested this is a led grown plant from user Weezery? I think he's on ICMAG
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coda
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We had a couple of LED grows here as well (EDIT: http://www.growery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/262900/fpart/1/vc/1), but I haven't seen anything about it in a long while.
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Mr. Hands
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Re: A high heat situation [Re: coda]
#383477 - 03/14/10 12:10 PM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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coda said:
Ultra sun bulbs are just as bright, sometimes brighter, then a comparable Hortilux bulb. Cost 40-50 bucks cheaper too. No need to spend 100$ on a bulb
Somebody told me once that the Hortiluxes don't lose lumens as quickly as the cheapies because they are of a higher quality. And, $50 over ten years still comes to $500.
If they could just get consistent yields from LED's then it would be a slam-dunk.
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Mr. Hands
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captain.koons said:
http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/7616/user113885pic2643124937.jpg
for those interested this is a led grown plant from user Weezery? I think he's on ICMAG
See...what the fuck? I see good-looking fruits like that then I see that video in the other thread that shows an absolute pitiful harvest. What to believe?
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Stoneth
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Re: A high heat situation [Re: Mr. Hands]
#383497 - 03/14/10 12:37 PM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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Many factors to keep in one the growers experience, product type and/or brand.
There are many brands and new nodels out there some work way better than others, but as of yet none compare to HPS/MH, but some do come close.
If you really plan on going with LED light, you should sreach and resreach the many grow logs out there.
There are a few in our Grow Journals forum and Icmag has many to look over as well.
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