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 Re: The best band ever?  [Re: ChillWillis]
#382108 - 03/11/10 06:44 PM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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ChillWillis said:
I disagree with your post, but wholeheartedly agree with your signature.
Influentially you gotta go by genera
I gotta imagine you mean genre...
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ChillWillis
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Yea what the fuck ever... 
I try my best to write in a literate manner, can't always win
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too bad Metallica blows major chunks now. oh god it is bad.
THIS.
Metallica is fucking horrid.
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Re: The best band ever? [Re: ChillWillis]
#382259 - 03/11/10 09:09 PM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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ChillWillis said:
I disagree with your post, but wholeheartedly agree with your signature.
Influentially you gotta go by genera, and Zepplin's got a lot of competition in theirs (even within their own time period).
What about jimmi, doors, floyd, the who?
Tool is second only to Metallica for influence in their genera, only because Metallcia came first.
I'd still have to hang with Zeppelin over all these esp Metallica. I graduated from high school in the mid 80's and they didn't hit their peek in popularity till they were past their peek musically. Right around the black album is when they decided to mix in with all the other bands.
Now as far as the older bands I pick Zep as the most influential band cause they lasted. Jimmy and the Doors were popular for a little over 3 to 4 years each. Now had the Door and Jimmy not had the head of the band die would we talk about them like we do today. I'm thinking we would be into them but Jimmy would be blending in with the Jimmy Page, Jeff Beck, Eric Clapton, and David Gilmore's of the world.
The Doors would be killer also but they would be spoken of like the Who, Stones, Beatles and so on.
Now another reason I ran with Zep is they didn't play lets change the band members like the Stones, Who, Floyd, Santana. One member of the band died and the rest realize that they can never be the same band and don't go on. You have to kind of respect that.
Now if you want a band that has changed members and has a ton of influence on the music scene is a simple little band called AC/DC
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Re: The best band ever? [Re: Magash]
#382286 - 03/11/10 09:54 PM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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elvis and the beatles heavily influenced zeppelin. soooo isn't that like the transitive property or somethign?
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guyyys stop being silly all that matters is how it sounds. what with all this bullcrap about influences and similarities an shit
does it sound good? that should be the only question.
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Magash
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The Beatles weren't much of a influence on Zeppelins music but Elvis was big with Robert Plant. The biggest musical influence on Zeppelin came from the American blues scene of the early 50's.
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Re: The best band ever? [Re: Magash]
#382387 - 03/12/10 07:25 AM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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Zeppelin has provided me many enjoyable acid trips, as has tool. I love to watch the music.
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Re: The best band ever? [Re: Magash]
#382432 - 03/12/10 11:24 AM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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The Beatles weren't much of a influence on Zeppelins music but Elvis was big with Robert Plant. The biggest musical influence on Zeppelin came from the American blues scene of the early 50's.
The Beatles influenced Led Zeppelin and EVERY british rock band, even if Zeppelin mainly played the blues, they and every other rock band after the Beatles borrowed from the well in the same way The Beatles borrowed from Elvis and the blues. If The Beatles hadn't blow the door open for rock and roll the same way Elvis had years before inspiring The Beatles to become rock musicians there would have never been a YardBirds, New Yardbirds or Led Zeppelin.
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this is better than anything tool has made.
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81renaissance
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Um, the Beatles were not rock and roll.
They were straight up and down pop music.
Elvis used a lot of Blues influence, but the melting pot that defines rock and roll brings together American sounds like R&B, Improvisational Jazz, cajun and creole sounds, country and gospel music.
Rock and Roll is an American invention.
Later Beatles albums have some great rock sounds, but they're sounds that were picked up over time and travel and aren't present in their early albums.
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Before love me dooooo, they were a greased hairdo rockabilly blues bar act. the pop came later with management and success.
Way before the pop, they were teenage Elvi in training.
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Magash
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The Beatles influenced Led Zeppelin and EVERY British rock band, even if Zeppelin mainly played the blues, they and every other rock band after the Beatles borrowed from the well in the same way The Beatles borrowed from Elvis and the blues. If The Beatles hadn't blow the door open for rock and roll the same way Elvis had years before inspiring The Beatles to become rock musicians there would have never been a YardBirds, New Yardbirds or Led Zeppelin.
This is a ridiculous statement. First off the Beatles were more influenced by Buddy Holy and the Crickets then Elvis. Quote:
Joining on bass in January, Lennon's fellow student Stuart Sutcliffe suggested changing the band name to "The Beetles" as a tribute to Buddy Holly and The Crickets, and they became "The Beatals"
John Lennon on how they came up with their sound "Decades after its release, the album still sounds fresh, precisely because of its intense origins." Lennon said little thought went into composition at the time; he and McCartney were "just writing songs à la Everly Brothers, à la Buddy Holly, pop songs with no more thought of them than that—to create a sound. And the words were almost irrelevant."
By 1966 their popularity dropped quiet a bit and they never toured the US again after 1966 and that includes after the release of the Sgt Peppers album.
They were good at making little girls scream but musically they weren't taken seriously by many and attribute the changing styles of their music from 1966 to 1969 to this.
Paul McCartney "We sold millions of albums and sold out shows in the metropolitan areas of the United States and Europe but never were able to get the critical response to the music other then a few songs on the Sgt Peppers release"
So yes the Beatles were the first big rock act out of England and opened the door for many but musically they weren't half the influence of Elvis,Rolling Stones, the Who, and numerous Blues performers of the 50s
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Re: The best band ever? [Re: Magash]
#382654 - 03/12/10 05:59 PM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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This always seems like a futile argument. I mean there are some observable things that pinpoint an influence in music but really how can anyone argue about the degree of influence that one band has had on another? I just don't think that's a very fact-based argument - from any perspective. I mean we can all see traces of zeppelin in a lot of bands out now. We can also see traces of elvis and the beatles in certain areas of zeppelins records. but the degree of influence isn't something that's quantifiable or identifiable imo.
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you guys are totally missing the point of music
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This is a tool thread anyway, damnit!
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Magash
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FurrowedBrow said:
This always seems like a futile argument. I mean there are some observable things that pinpoint an influence in music but really how can anyone argue about the degree of influence that one band has had on another? I just don't think that's a very fact-based argument - from any perspective. I mean we can all see traces of zeppelin in a lot of bands out now. We can also see traces of elvis and the beatles in certain areas of zeppelins records. but the degree of influence isn't something that's quantifiable or identifiable imo.
Agreed. To be honest I figure most bands just are a group of guys who get together and play what they like and if it happens to sound a little like another band that is just the breaks. 
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Re: The best band ever? [Re: Magash]
#382849 - 03/13/10 12:06 AM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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Re: The best band ever? [Re: Homosapian]
#383015 - 03/13/10 01:40 PM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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Homosapian said:
[flash=425,350]http:///flash]
this is better than anything tool has made.
Uncomparable except in rhyme scheme to time scale kinda thing.
(and btw this is a shitty song by him, it's all about Stan)
Eminem raps about personal (and sometimes fictional) experiences with drugs and violence. Tool sings about life, death and our shitty society.
Tool is undeniably the best rockers of our time
Eminem and B.I.G. are our best rappers
I can't think of any other genres I really care for atm.
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Re: The best band ever? [Re: ChillWillis]
#383727 - 03/14/10 08:16 PM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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omar pwns tool, by the way
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