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Is This Ethical?!
    #312809 - 11/09/09 12:28 AM (7 years, 27 days ago)

My grandma is 77 years old with a raging case of dementia and Alzheimer's. She still recognizes me and my mother, but anything and everything you tell her will be forgotten in 5 minutes...no exceptions.

My mom and I are medical marijuana patients and both of us have heard of many cases of pot helping Alzheimer's and dementia, stopping its progress and possibly even slightly reversing the diseases. Unfortunately in my grandma's mind, a Volcano bag of vapor might as well be a dirty, bent syringe filled with black tar heroin. Thank you 1930s American Propaganda....

Anyway my question is this; what is your guy's opinions on the ethics of slipping a small amount of cannabutter into her food to see if it helps? Normally I would never give anyone any drug without their consent, but keep in mind she is a legal invalid, she does not have the capability to make the correct choices for herself. Thoughts? Am I a bad person for even thinking about this?

Edited for spelling.


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"When I was in England, I experimented with marijuana a time or two, and I didn't like it. I didn't inhale and never tried it again."
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Edited by nick-onelove (11/09/09 12:30 AM)


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Re: Is This Ethical?! [Re: nick-onelove]
    #312814 - 11/09/09 12:33 AM (7 years, 27 days ago)

Well, I think it mainly only helps in the early stages on Alzheimers, not the late ones (which is what your grandma is in).

I wouldn't do it, but thats just me.


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Re: Is This Ethical?! [Re: Cannaboid]
    #312817 - 11/09/09 12:36 AM (7 years, 27 days ago)

I'm not expecting it to suddenly make her normal again, I should have mentioned that because of her dementia she experiences extreme anxiety and confusion. That's what I'm hoping it would help with.


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Re: Is This Ethical?! [Re: Cannaboid]
    #312818 - 11/09/09 12:36 AM (7 years, 27 days ago)

I would...is feeding her the only option?


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Re: Is This Ethical?! [Re: DesertSolitaire]
    #312821 - 11/09/09 12:44 AM (7 years, 27 days ago)

What other option would there be besides feeding it to her? She won't smoke it, unless maybe if I told her it was tobacco lol.


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"When I was a kid I inhaled frequently. That was the point."
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Re: Is This Ethical?! [Re: nick-onelove]
    #312823 - 11/09/09 12:48 AM (7 years, 27 days ago)

you could try telling her that it might help the paranoia and all that...roll some cigarette looking joints and convince nana


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Re: Is This Ethical?! [Re: nick-onelove]
    #312826 - 11/09/09 12:49 AM (7 years, 27 days ago)

VERY unethical in my opinion.  I like drugs and i would be pissed if someone dosed me with anything without my knowledge. 

And somehow I doubt feeding her pot will make her less confused.


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Re: Is This Ethical?! [Re: DesertSolitaire]
    #312835 - 11/09/09 12:57 AM (7 years, 27 days ago)

Even though she used to smoke cigarettes I don't think she'd smoke a joint even if I pulled all the tobacco out of a cigarette and packed it with weed, she didn't even chew the nicotine gum we got her when they were saying that might help dementia. If I decided it wasn't unethical I'd just give her something with cannabutter in it.


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"When I was in England, I experimented with marijuana a time or two, and I didn't like it. I didn't inhale and never tried it again."
                                                        - Bill Clinton

"When I was a kid I inhaled frequently. That was the point."
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Re: Is This Ethical?! [Re: nick-onelove]
    #312846 - 11/09/09 01:05 AM (7 years, 27 days ago)

if she doesn't remember eaten them then it didn't neccessarily happen


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Re: Is This Ethical?! [Re: DesertSolitaire]
    #312864 - 11/09/09 01:17 AM (7 years, 27 days ago)

Haha I realize I could get away with it, I'm just trying to make sure its not totally wrong.


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"When I was in England, I experimented with marijuana a time or two, and I didn't like it. I didn't inhale and never tried it again."
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"When I was a kid I inhaled frequently. That was the point."
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Re: Is This Ethical?! [Re: nick-onelove]
    #312967 - 11/09/09 04:39 AM (7 years, 27 days ago)

Dude, weed is good for preventing Alzheimers not helping with it. Once you have Alzheimers you have it. Its a brain disease and your brain is sensitive, it won't make her come back at all. But it might help it progress further. Possibly.


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Re: Is This Ethical?! [Re: Triptonic]
    #312975 - 11/09/09 04:47 AM (7 years, 27 days ago)

Read my second post, Trip. Also where did you hear it can progress it?
That is truly terrifying if it's true, according to The Emporer Wears No Clothes, Jack Herer says he gives his Alzheimer's-ridden grandma pot. My grandma's biggest problem is her dementia, the Alzheimer's is very mild in comparison, as I said, she can recognize us still.


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"When I was in England, I experimented with marijuana a time or two, and I didn't like it. I didn't inhale and never tried it again."
                                                        - Bill Clinton

"When I was a kid I inhaled frequently. That was the point."
                                                        - Barack Obama

That's Change I Can Believe In!


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Re: Is This Ethical?! [Re: nick-onelove]
    #312977 - 11/09/09 04:50 AM (7 years, 27 days ago)

I meant help it from progressing further.


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Re: Is This Ethical?! [Re: Triptonic]
    #312979 - 11/09/09 04:53 AM (7 years, 27 days ago)

Ah well that's all I'm after, that and some relief for her.


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"When I was in England, I experimented with marijuana a time or two, and I didn't like it. I didn't inhale and never tried it again."
                                                        - Bill Clinton

"When I was a kid I inhaled frequently. That was the point."
                                                        - Barack Obama

That's Change I Can Believe In!


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Re: Is This Ethical?! [Re: nick-onelove]
    #312982 - 11/09/09 04:54 AM (7 years, 27 days ago)

I dunno though man, I haven't read much on it other than it helps to prevent Alzheimer's.


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Re: Is This Ethical?! [Re: nick-onelove]
    #312984 - 11/09/09 04:56 AM (7 years, 27 days ago)

What if I just told her it was herbal butter with active therapeutic compounds that will help her anxiety? Is that still unethical?


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"When I was in England, I experimented with marijuana a time or two, and I didn't like it. I didn't inhale and never tried it again."
                                                        - Bill Clinton

"When I was a kid I inhaled frequently. That was the point."
                                                        - Barack Obama

That's Change I Can Believe In!


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Re: Is This Ethical?! [Re: nick-onelove]
    #312987 - 11/09/09 05:00 AM (7 years, 27 days ago)

Its un-ethical to not tell her yes. But I dont know if you are trying to be un-ethical.


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Re: Is This Ethical?! [Re: Triptonic]
    #312995 - 11/09/09 05:23 AM (7 years, 27 days ago)

Well I'm trying to be ethical, but it seems to me a possible reduction in her stress might be worth throwing my ethics to the wind.

Ya know, if I just told her it was cannabis or cannabis hemp, without mentioning the word marijuana, she would probably take it. I doubt she's ever even heard the word cannabis.


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"When I was in England, I experimented with marijuana a time or two, and I didn't like it. I didn't inhale and never tried it again."
                                                        - Bill Clinton

"When I was a kid I inhaled frequently. That was the point."
                                                        - Barack Obama

That's Change I Can Believe In!


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Re: Is This Ethical?! [Re: nick-onelove]
    #312998 - 11/09/09 05:55 AM (7 years, 27 days ago)

Go for it then haha.


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Re: Is This Ethical?! [Re: Triptonic]
    #313033 - 11/09/09 11:03 AM (7 years, 27 days ago)

I would go for it.  Especially if she is being all anxious and shit just give her a small dose to chill her out.


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