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    #22527 - 05/07/08 11:57 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

It has been suggested that the Smoke Lounge should fit somewhere in between the Pub and OTD
in terms of the rules and what the posters are allowed to get away with.

Because of this, I am still uncertain where the lines are drawn.
Personally, I don't plan on breaking any rules, at least,
not the kind that would get me banned from here.
However, other people may go to extremes and perform some
kind of action which may or may not be allowed by these floating rules.
Just banning someone because they broke a rule which wasn't clear to them isn't the way to go.

Until the rules are set in place for all of us to understand to the limits,
then warnings are necessary in cases of extreme conduct before any bans can take place.

Now I understand that some actions, such as posting personal information,
or making death threats, cannot be tolerated in any forum.
That goes without saying.
But when it comes to posting images which may be offensive to some,
how do you decide if that's a bannable offense?

How do I know if I'm going to get banned for something which was considered harmless the day before?
I don't.

So tell us - what is and what isn't allowed in the Smoke Lounge,
and stop banning people before these rules are made known to us.

Thank you.


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Re: Question: [Re: andyistic]
    #22545 - 05/08/08 12:54 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

is not reading the rulz breaking the rulz???


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Re: Question: [Re: andyistic]
    #22559 - 05/08/08 01:10 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I agree, I've been patiently waiting for a list of rules to appear, I've found some glorious pictures, but I don't want to post them just yet....


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Re: Question: [Re: just me]
    #22560 - 05/08/08 01:10 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Yes, when you register to use the site you agree to abide by the site rules. I have no issues with that, trouble it that the rules are so ambiguous and ill defined that they are open to whatever interpretation suits an admin or mod who is ban happy.


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Re: Question: [Re: Hanky]
    #22581 - 05/08/08 01:44 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

where are the mods around here?

Coda's the only one ive seen, and thats once in a blue moon...

guess theres not a big enough flock to give a flock about us small sheep...:shrug:

...that was cute just me! thanks man! youre cool:thumbup:


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Re: Question: [Re: just me]
    #22685 - 05/08/08 11:19 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

From this thread:
http://www.growery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/7910#7910

Quote:

Thor said:
No plans, we all agreed to start with one community forum, this site isn't going to be that big, that fast..
We wanted this forum to evolve without having to set hard rules, let people use their judgment.
We'll see how it goes, I've rather enjoyed the forum so far, the scat is a bit much,
but midgets, naked fat guys, pop cans coming out of asses, tranny's, etc..
All quality stuff.

But yeah nothing is set in stone, but just remember this isn't OTD, never will be; and its certainly not the pube.



Please note the bolded and underlined portions in the quotes above.

Seems to me that what was fine yesterday, isn't fine today.
Is this really the way the administration wants to run this site?
I invite all admins to speak on this issue.


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Re: Question: [Re: andyistic]
    #22696 - 05/08/08 11:43 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

>Because of this, I am still uncertain where the lines are drawn.

If you want to stay on the safe side, go with eh Shroomery's pub rules.

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1) No Flaming, Baiting, Trolling, or Spamming
This includes no flaming in sigs, member titles, avatars, etc. Absolutely no racism. No illegal pictures, bestiality, scat, scat type porn, offensive porn, mutilated corpses or otherwise offensive pictures.

2) Respect your fellow posters at all times while posting in the Pub. We all have opinions and we can share them respectfully. Intentionally "derailing" or post whoring/drawing a thread off-topic is considered bad form and is not permitted. Do not post in someone else's thread or start a thread to say something malicious or harmful.
Be aware of the "Report Post" button on the bottom of every post.. this will notify all the forum moderators of that post.

3) Any post for the sole intent of causing drama will not be tolerated.

4) Post with the intention of causing intelligent discussion.

5) No Dosage Advice: Posts which request or dispense dosage information are not permitted. The reason behind this is to prevent unintentional misinformation based upon issues of personal body chemistry, including physical and behavioral tolerance. In the event a thread is displaying potentially dangerous information, the thread will be deleted and both those who request such information as well as those who post a dosage suggestion may be warned or banned.

Any violation of these rules and the post or thread in question may be locked and deleted. Violators will receive a warning from a moderator or admin. A further violation will result in a 24 hour ban. Subsequent violations will result in extended bans, from a week up to indefinite.. by the administration. This is only a standard procedure and not all results are the same.. it depends largely on the severity of the violations. Things are generally dealt with on a case-by-case basis. Chronic troublemakers may find themselves facing a forum ban or even a permanent ban




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Re: Question: [Re: Anno]
    #22701 - 05/08/08 11:57 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

Anno said:
>Because of this, I am still uncertain where the lines are drawn.

If you want to stay on the safe side, go with eh Shroomery's pub rules.




So you're saying that we should assume that the Lounge adopts the
Pub's rules in order to post in there and not worry about bannage?

Then would it be too much trouble to give us a sister forum that would
allow some of us to have more freedom, similar to Anything Goes,
but without the inclusion of posting PM's, personal info, or sources?

If you like, you can add some security provisions to it such as making it invite-only,
or having it accessible only to those who actively agree to a disclaimer,
(clicking a checkbox, for example), etc.

We should be allowed to post whatever we want (scat, shock images, etc.)
as long as others don't complain about it.
I'm not saying I want to do this, I'm just saying I want to be able
to do this should some situation arise where I find that doing so would be humorous.

Anyways, please give this some consideration, then get back to me.

Thanks again.


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Re: Question: [Re: andyistic]
    #22703 - 05/08/08 12:10 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

>We should be allowed to post whatever we want (scat, shock images, etc.)

Why? Why should you? How does it come you are assuming that you SHOULD post whatever you want? I simply don't understand your reasoning.


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Re: Question: [Re: Anno]
    #22705 - 05/08/08 12:23 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Because it was stated long ago that the Lounge is somewhere between the Pub and OTD.
They never said that the Lounge was an exact replica of the Pub.

I'm not saying I want to post scat and shock images,
I'm fine not having any of that at all.
I'm saying I want the freedom to do so.

In other words, remove the censorship, which isn't really necessary.
I'm assuming everyone here is 18 and over, yes?

I always try to keep my posts tasteful and respectful to anyone who might read them.
I can't speak for others, however.
Should they be banned because they weren't posting the way I do?
I don't think so.

If you're absolutely against the added freedom and removal of censorship that
we're requesting, then please let us know, so that we can know what not to post.

Thanks for listening. :thumbup:


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Re: Question: [Re: andyistic]
    #22708 - 05/08/08 12:31 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

>I'm saying I want the freedom to do so.

Here are you again with your "I want the freedom to do anything I want".
You can, believe me. Here is how: Create your own forum, and do whatever you want.

I can't speak for all the admins here, but personaly I am sick of people coming and DEMANDING things in a forum.
You don't have the right to demand anything on a privately owned forum. Get this in your head!

>They never said that the Lounge was an exact replica of the Pub.

It isn't. What I said was: If you want to stay on the safe side, go with the Shroomery's pub rules.

The exact rules are going to crystallize themselves over time, just not today, and probably not this week. But they will eventually, since the relaxed approach that geokills suggested in the sticky thread in the Lounge obviously and sadly doesn't work.


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Re: Question: [Re: Anno]
    #22713 - 05/08/08 12:46 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

Anno said:
>I'm saying I want the freedom to do so.

Here are you again with your "I want the freedom to do anything I want".
You can, believe me. Here is how: Create your own forum, and do whatever you want.




No, I'm not speaking of me personally, but other people who post in here.
I'm fine with not posting scat or shock images, etc.

Quote:

Anno also said:
I can't speak for all the admins here, but personaly I am sick of people coming and DEMANDING things in a forum.
You don't have the right to demand anything on a privately owned forum. Get this in your head!



I never demanded anything.
I know the admins run this site and it's completely their choice to decide
what should and what shouldn't be allowed in here.
Again, I don't have a problem with that.

Quote:

Anno goes on to say:
>They never said that the Lounge was an exact replica of the Pub.

It isn't. What I said was: If you want to stay on the safe side, go with the Shroomery's pub rules.

The exact rules are going to crystallize themselves over time, just not today, and probably not this week. But they will eventually, since the relaxed approach that geokills suggested in the sticky thread in the Lounge obviously and sadly doesn't work.



But Geo's proposed relaxation of the rules would work if the administration
weren't so quick to punish users for doing something they had not known was
against the rules at the time it was done.

So give us a warning for such infractions next time, before going all the way and
banning us for said infraction, which we did not know was an infraction until afterwards.

So to recap: If the administration wants the Lounge to operate as the Pub does over on the other site, please make that known to us.
Personally, I'm fine with it. I can't say the same for how the others feel about this.
I would prefer more leniency as I have requested several times,
but this is only a request - it is not a demand.
I never demand things from any administration (except the U.S. gov, but that's another issue). It's not my place to do so.
If the Lounge is to be less censored and less restrictive than the Pub, let us know by how much.
At the moment, it's a crap shoot: "Can I post this? I dunno ... maybe ...".

For now, I will post by the Pub's rules - I don't want to be banned.
I will inform the others to do the same, if they should be interested.

If Ythan and/or Thor would like to add to this, I would love to hear from them.


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Re: Question: [Re: Anno]
    #22725 - 05/08/08 01:38 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

the relaxed approach that geokills suggested in the sticky thread in the Lounge obviously and sadly doesn't work.



sad indeed.

i really don't know what all the fuzz is about. i have not seen over moderation but i don't spend a lot of time in the lounge either. also, if you really want more freedom there is still otd, why not just go there?


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Re: Question: [Re: maggotz]
    #22745 - 05/08/08 02:15 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

ppl are gettin banned left and right...

and with such a small community here, its very noticable and kinda sadning when they go...

MODS, can you give me a straigh yes or no.
i want to post some beautiful naked women. im keeping insertion and X rated material out. its strictly R rated...IS THIS ALLOWED???

thanks in advance

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Re: Question: [Re: maggotz]
    #22746 - 05/08/08 02:16 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

For you andyistic:  :chillpill:

It's not that big of a deal man, if you want to post fetus corpses & scat then there's OTD. SL isn't OTD like it's been said. Maybe there will one day be an OTD-like section on this site so you can hop back and forth between sites as you please and post fetus corpses & scat. But until then just relax, it's a new site, the rules & way things are run are a little fuzzy, so what?

I got banned for two days for posting a link to a goatse picture, lesson learned. So automatically I had a good idea that the rules were more pub-esque, and not this"middle-ground" you speak of. I think maybe you got the wrong idea because there was only one social forum and not two, there was no one or the other, no censored or uncensored. So it was wrongly assumed it was on this "middle-ground"; I thought that for maybe the first couple days, but once again it's a new site, it was anyone's guess at first. But anyways the rules at the current time aren't a total mystery like you make it out to be in your original post, people have posted offensive pictures, they got banned. Sounds like the pub, so treat it as such.


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Re: Question: [Re: Ombient]
    #22753 - 05/08/08 02:43 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

dam dood there is too much wording goin on here
so i have nothing to add...


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Re: Question: [Re: Coaster]
    #22775 - 05/08/08 03:07 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Arent things just fine the way they are? I havent noticed people getting banned left and right. I would say that there is a pretty nice balance of Pub and OTD that does exist and I quite enjoy that.


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Re: Question: [Re: Picklez]
    #22809 - 05/08/08 04:15 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I agree things are pretty fine the way that they are.  But there do seem to be a lot of 2-5 day bans for things which weren't known to be bannable offenses. 

Omni's link to a goatse image is a perfect example.  I know that this isn't OTD, but we're on the internet here... everyone has seen goatse by now.  And it was in a link, not an in-line image.  I was really surprised by that ban, and it seems like a warning would have been much more appropriate. 

And more recently, Hanky's 5-day ban over the cooked "baby" image.  Sure, it's in poor taste, and it definitely deserved to get editted out.  But again I think this is a case where a warning would have been just as instructive, without costing us an enjoyable poster for 5 days.

I think a lot of this confusion about what images are acceptable stems from Thor's comment

Quote:

We'll see how it goes, I've rather enjoyed the forum so far, the scat is a bit much, but midgets, naked fat guys, pop cans coming out of asses, tranny's, etc.. All quality stuff.




So, cans popping out of asses are ok, but goatse isn't :confused:.  And tranny's?  I consider them in the same mental category as scat.

I'm not planning on posting anything offensive, so it doesn't affect me too much, but I don't like seeing all these bans being handed out when things are so ambiguous.  Is it too much to request that a warning be handed out before the banstick starts flying?


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Re: Question: [Re: Sativus]
    #22811 - 05/08/08 04:22 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Exactly what I've been saying!

:congrats:


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Re: Question: [Re: Sativus]
    #22812 - 05/08/08 04:23 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

whats goatse?


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