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Re: The 8 hr banning thread…. [Re: spirit_shadow]
    #852896 - 11/30/21 05:08 PM (9 months, 24 days ago)

NOW BAN ME IN THE FACE FOR FLAMING MOST OF THE HUMAN RACE :kingcrankey:


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Re: The 8 hr banning thread…. [Re: spirit_shadow]
    #852897 - 11/30/21 05:08 PM (9 months, 24 days ago)

That rhymed:rockman:


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Re: The 8 hr banning thread…. [Re: spirit_shadow]
    #852898 - 11/30/21 05:08 PM (9 months, 24 days ago)

right thats actually a classic argument /logical fallacy


like if you want any system to work you have to work to make it better off of where it works, cant just flame the whole thing as a failure unless its something that like totally doesnt work and kills millions of people, like communism or something.


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Re: The 8 hr banning thread…. [Re: kreg]
    #852899 - 11/30/21 05:09 PM (9 months, 24 days ago)

Would you join me if I stopped participating in society?


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Re: The 8 hr banning thread…. [Re: spirit_shadow]
    #852900 - 11/30/21 06:23 PM (9 months, 24 days ago)

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spirit_shadow said:
I'm not fucking up my money. I just think the whole concept of it is stupid and archaic. As I said I am forced to be in this current system so I operate within the systems rules. That does not mean I can not disagree with the system.




This. You can play the game and realize its bullshit.

Currency was created as a universal medium with which to barter. Instead of directly exchanging goods, you exchange goods for magical paper or shiny coins, and then use that universal exchange medium to procure other goods that you need.

It makes bartering easier, because instead of having to produce cotton and clothing because the baker only needs clothing, you can focus on only producing cotton, exchange it with the local textile mill or whatever, and then using that universal medium to get bread from the baker.

The reason we (humans) need the concept of money at all is because we are tiny-minded. If we could choose to operate as a cohesive society, then resources and goods produced from those resources would be shared as needed. There would be no wealthy or powerful, and there would be no poor or subjugated. We would all have what we needed, and the society could re-direct what is currently excessive and unnecessary resource consumption (like mining/refining semiconductor materials, assembling them into ASICs using extremely energy-intensive and water-hogging processes like photolithography, and then burning shitloads of fossil fuels to produce shitloads of electrical energy, just to convert it to waste heat solving made up math problems to generate virtual money via the concept of proof of work (aka the digital currency is worth what you sacrifice in energy)) towards protein folding simulations that help to fast-track medical research, toward space exploration (look at all we've accomplished when NASA's budget is 3% of the size of the US defense budget), and toward the next few steps in humanity's evolution.

The problem is that we separate into tribes based on made-up differences, establish made-up physical boundaries to separate the tribes, realize that we can't live that way and establish overly-complicated diplomatic and trade policies, and then use violence to fill in the rest. We almost have that unanimous agreement to share resources and work toward common goals, but still cling to our old concepts of ownership, tribes, countries, and money, which are all human-created institutions that wouldn't be needed if we could just get past our monkey-brain methods of doing things that haven't been relevant since we came up with agriculture.

How do I know this? Because I'm Data and I live in a time when money is no longer a relevant concept for the United Federation of Planets.  :cookiemonster:


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Re: The 8 hr banning thread…. [Re: Data]
    #852903 - 11/30/21 07:36 PM (9 months, 24 days ago)

It's easy to see. Im baffled most people cant see it. I honestly do not understand the concept of greed.


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Re: The 8 hr banning thread…. [Re: spirit_shadow]
    #852905 - 11/30/21 07:41 PM (9 months, 24 days ago)

Obviously you've made up your mind in character so it's not even about logic it's about appeal to ethos
and I for one am tired of people acting like communism is cute and funny if this is what we're alluding to.
Maybe try go living in China since nothing private matters to you.


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Re: The 8 hr banning thread…. [Re: kreg]
    #852906 - 11/30/21 07:45 PM (9 months, 24 days ago)

Fuck all current political ideologies. There needs to be a new better system. But as I said people are crazy and won't want to do it, therefore wars. Oh well I don't care about any of it honestly.


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Re: The 8 hr banning thread…. [Re: spirit_shadow]
    #852908 - 11/30/21 07:48 PM (9 months, 24 days ago)

Oh come on now that's an obvious cop out and a vulgar over generalization. Don't be so cynical, you'll just create enemies with yourself.


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Re: The 8 hr banning thread…. [Re: spirit_shadow] * 1
    #852909 - 11/30/21 08:04 PM (9 months, 24 days ago)

Quote:

spirit_shadow said:
Fuck all current political ideologies. There needs to be a new better system. But as I said people are crazy and won't want to do it, therefore wars. Oh well I don't care about any of it honestly.




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i don't know what to do with all my freedoms, i desire more regulations

trust me, where you are now is about as good as it gets, and if you have complaints there are places that would pay you to help them save money trying to help other people. The world aint so bad. Especially not in the US. There's a reason so many people are trying to come here and it's not tyranny lol


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Re: The 8 hr banning thread…. [Re: Texas Honey Badger]
    #852911 - 11/30/21 08:22 PM (9 months, 24 days ago)

Paw must've won the ban lotto

Bastard only comes to see us when he's forced to :mad2:


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Re: The 8 hr banning thread…. [Re: Niffla]
    #852913 - 11/30/21 08:25 PM (9 months, 24 days ago)

Nevermind 🙃


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Re: The 8 hr banning thread…. [Re: spirit_shadow]
    #852916 - 11/30/21 09:01 PM (9 months, 24 days ago)

:shrug: hope you're alright today spirit, don't forget to look out for yourself yknow


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Re: The 8 hr banning thread…. [Re: kreg]
    #852926 - 11/30/21 10:39 PM (9 months, 24 days ago)

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kreg said:
Quote:

spirit_shadow said:
Fuck all current political ideologies. There needs to be a new better system. But as I said people are crazy and won't want to do it, therefore wars. Oh well I don't care about any of it honestly.




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i don't know what to do with all my freedoms, i desire more regulations

trust me, where you are now is about as good as it gets, and if you have complaints there are places that would pay you to help them save money trying to help other people. The world aint so bad. Especially not in the US. There's a reason so many people are trying to come here and it's not tyranny lol




But isn't that mentality a stagnant cop-out as well? If it's about as good as it gets, then why bother existing? Comparing your situation to situations that you know are worse, or comparing the present situation to the past is not so much an indication that we've reached the pinnacle of existence, but more a proof that the constant struggle to be better than we are now results in positive change.

For instance, the US is a country founded on liberty and democracy. Yet, we are now consistently rated as a backsliding democracy by many metrics, and there are several countries that have more transparent and fair democracies that place more governance with the people of those countries. Is our system better than the majority of the world? Fuck yea. Is the best system in the world? Fuck no. Can we work to try and be the best system in the world? I hope so. :shrug:

Same thing with unrestricted capitalism. Do you technically have the ability in a free-market economy to pull yourself up by your bootstraps, combine intelligent planning with a shitload of hard work, and rise from the lower or middle classes to be a millionaire? Yea of course you can. But there are problems with that system where the first to reach that state of extreme wealth and power can use that power to manipulate the economical ecosystem to keep up-and-coming businesses struggling for the leftovers, or can make starting a business prohibitively expensive or competitive to the point where simply working for the larger corporations is an easier and more reliable way to make ends meet and be comfortable. Additionally, institutions founded on and primarily motivated by money and assets historically do not act in the best interest of the people or the environment. This sort of power and wealth concentration into a small group of people also tends to allow individual biases and prejudices that deviate from the majority population to be baked into the laws and policies of the country, which tend to favor certain populations more than others. This has the overall effect of not being truly free and equal, and it really depends who your parents/friends are. I'm living proof of this problem in the US. I freely admit that while I worked hard and sacrificed to get where I am, that I had a lot of help and extra opportunity being born into a family of middle-class, well-networked white family in one of the nicer states in the south at that time, and I probably would be no where near where I am without that extra push from the environment that I was lucky enough to be born in.

On the flip-side, communism is a failed implementation of socialism that claimed but failed to deliver on eliminating the class struggle, and used that claim to funnel resources and power up to an elite few, just like unrestricted capitalism inevitably does. This was spirit's point that most modern ideologies in their pure forms are fucked and lead to corruption and tyranny. They function in some respects, and are better than their predecessors from the middle ages and before, but tend to drift into dystopia as they mature. I (and I imagine spirit) believe that there is a way to combine some of the positives of each ideology, in order to avoid the negative states and effects that each pure ideology tends to drift into.

This struggle to remove obvious flaws and work towards better solutions than we have today is what built up modern society, and will be what pushes until the next step.

Anyway, I keep talking like all of this IS the way some other Mandalorian BS, when its just my opinion...so definitely take it as that. I don't want this to turn into some boomery-level shitshow thread haha.


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Re: The 8 hr banning thread…. [Re: Data]
    #852931 - 11/30/21 11:32 PM (9 months, 24 days ago)

It saddens me reading things like this so quickly after thanksgiving.
Propaganda talk. The rhetoric all alludes to the same thing in my head and it's communism. I'm not cool with socialism either theyve both killed millions of people. Starvation isn't funny. Mass starvation isn't funny. Not allowing people to grow their own food isn't funny.

You can grow your own food. No one is stopping you. You can go out and hunt your own food just do it correctly and don't over-hunt and fuck up the ecosystem etc, there are very easy to follow laws on it that will get you plenty of meat to last you years

As far as the royal family crap.... know what other kinda territory that leads into?
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Re: The 8 hr banning thread…. [Re: kreg]
    #852932 - 11/30/21 11:35 PM (9 months, 24 days ago)

It's really ironic for me to say any of this stuff I know none of you will understand, I've already said things on the opposition so by default my logic is enemy logic or whatever. But it is about working to make things better.

I repeat, there's good reasons people are going way out of their way to immigrate to the US and other similar countries.


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Re: The 8 hr banning thread…. [Re: kreg]
    #852933 - 11/30/21 11:37 PM (9 months, 24 days ago)

Let me put it this way, I'm sure both of you own things that you do not need, things that could help someone else's life more than yours, so why don't you give those things away? Are you too greedy? You still have both your kidneys I presume yes? Why haven't you given them to those in need yet? Are you some kind of wealthy power-freak that seeks world domination? How dare you have 1 can of old beans in your cubbard?

lol I could go on.


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Re: The 8 hr banning thread…. [Re: kreg]
    #852934 - 11/30/21 11:41 PM (9 months, 24 days ago)

we're talking about all of this, again, on the for-profit website discussion focused on illegal drugs. You know what happens to you if you get caught with a little weed in China? Singapore? Thailand?
we have some privileges and luxuries


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Re: The 8 hr banning thread…. [Re: kreg]
    #852935 - 11/30/21 11:42 PM (9 months, 24 days ago)

:kidreally: :canthelpbutlaugh:


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Re: The 8 hr banning thread…. [Re: Connectedcosmos]
    #852937 - 11/30/21 11:53 PM (9 months, 24 days ago)

I just don't think having basic human rights is a joke. Or things like constant access to clean water and electricity... the internet.... school, work
we have so damn many of these things i bet you're probably rolling your eyes thinking about that stuff as obligatory. You could be an entrepreneur even! You've all chosen not to presumably


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