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 Shiversblood
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 Flour worse then murder 
#615795 - 04/02/12 11:24 AM (12 years, 25 days ago) |
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We live in a country where it is a more serious crime to throw flour on a rich woman, than it is to murder a young black child in cold blood.
The woman who threw a small amount of flour on Kim Kardashin, has been placed into custody. George Zimmerman the racist white-hispanic who shot a black child to death, has not yet been arrested.
Why is flour a more serious crime in the USA then murder in cold blood
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Re: Flour worse then murder [Re: Shiversblood]
#615806 - 04/02/12 12:08 PM (12 years, 25 days ago) |
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are you familiar with the Florida stand your ground laws?
<<<1) A person who uses force as permitted in s. 776.012, s. 776.013, or s. 776.031 is justified in using such force and is immune from criminal prosecution and civil action for the use of such force, unless the person against whom force was used is a law enforcement officer, as defined in s. 943.10(14), who was acting in the performance of his or her official duties and the officer identified himself or herself in accordance with any applicable law or the person using force knew or reasonably should have known that the person was a law enforcement officer. As used in this subsection, the term “criminal prosecution” includes arresting, detaining in custody, and charging or prosecuting the defendant.>>>
also, while it's likely Zimmerman's actions lead to the escalation of the incident (he sounds like some paranoid want-to-be cop), from the actual evidence, it doesn't seem like he did anything illegal (at least that is provable in a court of law). Remember, the burden rests on the state, and it's high (beyond a reasonable doubt)
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Re: Flour worse then murder [Re: kyuzo] 1
#615812 - 04/02/12 12:27 PM (12 years, 25 days ago) |
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u lose ur claim to stand ur ground law when ur the one chaseing a someone with a gun. ur not standing ur ground when u are chaseing someone.
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Re: Flour worse then murder [Re: Shiversblood]
#615813 - 04/02/12 12:30 PM (12 years, 25 days ago) |
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u lose ur claim to stand ur ground law when ur the one chaseing a someone with a gun. ur not standing ur ground when u are chaseing someone.
1) he followed someone he thought was suspicious. And regardless of what created such suspicion, following someone isn't illegal
2) I'm unfamiliar with anything in the law that would actually support such a position (feel free to cite the relevant language, though)*
* that following someone forfeits the protection against prosecution
Edited by kyuzo (04/02/12 12:31 PM)
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Re: Flour worse then murder [Re: kyuzo]
#615814 - 04/02/12 12:32 PM (12 years, 25 days ago) |
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First degree felony stalking. Also george zimmerman is racist. aslo he is not a cop he is not allowed to stop people and ask them questions against their will.
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Re: Flour worse then murder [Re: Shiversblood]
#615816 - 04/02/12 12:40 PM (12 years, 25 days ago) |
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First degree felony stalking. Also george zimmerman is racist. aslo he is not a cop he is not allowed to stop people and ask them questions against their will.
1) on what basis are you claiming it's felony stalking? Stalking usually involves a clear pattern of behavior, which one incident wouldn't establish
2) asking someone questions isn't illegal and there is no evidence that Zimmerman tried to illegal detain him
3) he may very well be a racist, but such isn't against the law, and really has no bearing on what can be legally established in a court of law
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Re: Flour worse then murder [Re: kyuzo]
#615838 - 04/02/12 02:43 PM (12 years, 25 days ago) |
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Re: Flour worse then murder [Re: kyuzo]
#615911 - 04/02/12 04:42 PM (12 years, 25 days ago) |
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I'm not sure of all the ins and outs of this case. But it seems to me that there is no evidence that the kid did any physical harm to him. Therefore this guy should be charged.
Regardless of the law in Florida, this is just wrong. The dude killed an unarmed kid. This wasn't on his property, he wasn't protecting his family.
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I'm not sure of all the ins and outs of this case. But it seems to me that there is no evidence that the kid did any physical harm to him. Therefore this guy should be charged.
Regardless of the law in Florida, this is just wrong. The dude killed an unarmed kid. This wasn't on his property, he wasn't protecting his family.
eye witness accounts place the kid on top of him and beating him.
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Re: Flour worse then murder [Re: kyuzo]
#615920 - 04/02/12 05:48 PM (12 years, 25 days ago) |
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From the video of him directly after in the police station he sure wasn't hurt. And fists versus gun don't equate.
The size of the guy who shot him was way bigger than the kid who was shot. And if the guy was following the kid then didn't the kid follow the stand your ground law?
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Re: Flour worse then murder [Re: Shiversblood] 1
#615923 - 04/02/12 06:09 PM (12 years, 25 days ago) |
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If you get into a fight in Florida, you can blast someones head off and nothing happens to you.
Gotta get protection from them scary minorities.
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I agree the law is stupid. But under that current stupid law, he seemingly did nothing wrong
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Re: Flour worse then murder [Re: kyuzo]
#615928 - 04/02/12 06:15 PM (12 years, 25 days ago) |
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That's fucked. Yet another reason to never go to Florida unless it's in transit to get to an island.
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From the video of him directly after in the police station he sure wasn't hurt. And fists versus gun don't equate.
1) the video was grainy and the injerious in the police report didn't sound series (blood visible on the nose and back of head). So the video doesn't really address that.
Second, the only thing needed to justify the shooting, as originally reported, was the reasonable expectation that he could ether face death, or serious bodily harm. And clearly that burden is met if Trayvon was on top of him, beating him up
don't confuse morality with the law. They are two highly distinct entities and rarely have much in common
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The size of the guy who shot him was way bigger than the kid who was shot. And if the guy was following the kid then didn't the kid follow the stand your ground law?
no, because following someone isn't illegal
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Re: Flour worse then murder [Re: kyuzo]
#615931 - 04/02/12 06:17 PM (12 years, 25 days ago) |
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Seems like following someone could be construed as an act of aggression. It all seems super sketchy to me. As stated. Fuck Florida and any state that has this type of law.
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And I'm sure there were words being exchanged between them while he was following him.
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And I'm sure there were words being exchanged between them while he was following him.
Actually bro, the stand your ground law is pretty straight up and down. That man had the right to protect his home or his self IF confronted. HE DID not have the right to follow the man and provoke confrontation. When he called the police he should have remained in his home. Neighborhood watch or not, there is provision in the rules that say they cant even carry a weapon, Conceal carry permit or not.
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Re: Flour worse then murder [Re: Miscusi]
#615938 - 04/02/12 06:37 PM (12 years, 25 days ago) |
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Then it sounds like he had no right to shoot the kid. They way Kyuzo makes it sound he was able to follow him and it not be an act of aggression.
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Then it sounds like he had no right to shoot the kid. They way Kyuzo makes it sound he was able to follow him and it not be an act of aggression.
No. Before the laws here said you could only shoot a man if he entered your home, and olny in the front, if you shot them in the back it was considerd non threat they were fleeing.
After the new laws went into affect you could defend your self in the streets IF someone confronts you with aggression or shows a weapon and you feel your life is at threat.
The fact that he called the cops, then acted. is a big no no. I have no idea why he isnt in jail.
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Re: Flour worse then murder [Re: Miscusi]
#615951 - 04/02/12 07:29 PM (12 years, 25 days ago) |
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Throwing flour on rich white girl is not worse than murder.
1) go kill someone. You'll be arrested.
2) throw flour on a rich white girl. You won't be arrested.
As well as he did not get away "because he was racist" it was due to the Florida stand your ground laws.
My question to you: Did you not learn anything from the shroomery thread?
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Re: Flour worse then murder [Re: Shr0000ooooms] 1
#615959 - 04/02/12 07:56 PM (12 years, 25 days ago) |
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Not all of us frequent the shroomery often.
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Re: Flour worse then murder [Re: Miscusi]
#615994 - 04/02/12 09:58 PM (12 years, 25 days ago) |
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Miscusi said:Actually bro, the stand your ground law is pretty straight up and down. That man had the right to protect his home or his self IF confronted. HE DID not have the right to follow the man and provoke confrontation. When he called the police he should have remained in his home. Neighborhood watch or not, there is provision in the rules that say they cant even carry a weapon, Conceal carry permit or not.
read the statute
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3) A person who is not engaged in an unlawful activity and who is attacked in any other place where he or she has a right to be has no duty to retreat and has the right to stand his or her ground and meet force with force, including deadly force if he or she reasonably believes it is necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony.>>>
now consider that following someone, and not listening to 911 dispatcher, are not crimes.
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Re: Flour worse then murder [Re: kyuzo]
#615996 - 04/02/12 10:05 PM (12 years, 25 days ago) |
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Force to force, I think it's far fetched that if he was able to get his gun out and shoot the kid that we was in mortal danger.
And by ignoring the 911 dispatchers recommendation to not follow the kid, and then to follow him IS antagonizing him. I think once the investigation is complete he will more than likely be arrested for this.
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Force to force, I think it's far fetched that if he was able to get his gun out and shoot the kid that we was in mortal danger.
"if he or she reasonably believes it is necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony"
again, clearly if someone is on top of you, preventing any possibility of escape, and is beating on you, there is "reasonable belief" that such actions will lead to "great bodily harm"
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hawksapprentice said:And by ignoring the 911 dispatchers recommendation to not follow the kid, and then to follow him IS antagonizing him. I think once the investigation is complete he will more than likely be arrested for this.
I can almost guarantee that if you attacked someone for following you, you would be charged, and found guilty, of assault
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Re: Flour worse then murder [Re: kyuzo]
#616004 - 04/02/12 10:24 PM (12 years, 25 days ago) |
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For some reason I don't think it was completely unprovoked man.
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And judging by the lack of injuries to him he wasn't in a life threatening situation, I think in the long run this will end in his being tried at a minimum of manslaughter.
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For some reason I don't think it was completely unprovoked man.
what you and I think happened is rather irrelevant to the question of what can be proven, beyond a reasonable doubt
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And judging by the lack of injuries to him he wasn't in a life threatening situation, I think in the long run this will end in his being tried at a minimum of manslaughter.
I hope not, being that would be an instance of the judicial system serving pure political interests
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And judging by the lack of injuries to him he wasn't in a life threatening situation, I think in the long run this will end in his being tried at a minimum of manslaughter.
If someone is swinging a sword at me, and misses, it's not going to leave any bruising, but that doesn't mean I don't have legitimate concerns for sustaining "great bodily harm".
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Re: Flour worse then murder [Re: kyuzo]
#616010 - 04/02/12 10:44 PM (12 years, 25 days ago) |
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Woah a sword and fists are a lame comparison man.
If the facts come out that the guy was harassing him then he should be charged. I just don't think that this guy is innocent in the matter. Of course there's the burden of proof, and hopefully what really happened comes out and he is charged appropriately for what has happened.
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Woah a sword and fists are a lame comparison man.
on the subject of a lack of serious wounds equals a lack of threat of bodily harm? I would say the comparison is rather apt, unless you're under the impression no one was ever seriously injured while pinned to the ground, while someone struck them
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Re: Flour worse then murder [Re: kyuzo]
#616012 - 04/02/12 10:57 PM (12 years, 25 days ago) |
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A sword is assault with a deadly weapon. Using fists is not. This guy did not need to use a gun, regardless of whether he was legally allowed to do so.
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A sword is assault with a deadly weapon. Using fists is not. This guy did not need to use a gun, regardless of whether he was legally allowed to do so.
it really doesn't matter, because both create reasonable expectation of bodily harm (especially in a prone position), which fulfills the requirements for the stand your ground law
*note the law isn't limited to "when people assault you with a deadly weapon"
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Not all of us frequent the shroomery often.
OP does and I was referring to him, not "all of us"
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2) throw flour on a rich white girl. You won't be arrested.
False.
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/entertainment/2012/03/kim-kardashian-gets-floured-on-red-carpet/
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Police arrested the woman who allegedly threw the stuff and inspected the 30-year-old reality TV star to determine that it was, in fact, cooking flour that hit her, nothing toxic.
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Re: Flour worse then murder [Re: Shiversblood]
#617660 - 04/11/12 03:59 PM (12 years, 16 days ago) |
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PRAISE THE LORD GEORGE ZIMMERMAN IS IN CUSTODY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Re: Flour worse then murder [Re: Shiversblood]
#617662 - 04/11/12 04:01 PM (12 years, 16 days ago) |
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A rich white "famous" woman.
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