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Pale leafs, red stems, burnt leaf tips
    #591052 - 10/07/11 05:23 PM (5 years, 1 month ago)

Soil Growers:
1. Are you growing from seed or clones? Seed
2. How old are your plants? 4 1/2 weeks
3. How tall are your plants? Around 1ft
4. What size containers are they planted in? 2gal pots
5. What is your soil mix? 2pt EWC, 2pt soil, 1pt perlite, 1pt verm,
6. How often do you water and what type of water do you use? When soil is compleatly dry (determined by weight), Poland Spring water ph'd to 7.
7. What is the pH of your water? About 6.5 but I add ph^ untill 7
8. What kind of fertilizer do you use and what is its NPK ratio?GH maxibloom
9. Do you foliar feed or spray your plants with anything? Seltzer once a week before lights on.
10. What kind of lights do you use and how many watts combined? (HPS, MH, fluorescent, halogen, incandescent "plant lights") 400watt hps
11. How close are your lights to the plants? 2 ft
12. What size is your grow space in square feet?almost 8
13. What is the temperature and humidity in your grow space? 80-90F  40-60rh
14. What is the pH of the soil?6-7 (on the 6 side after feeding then going back up)
15. Have you noticed any insect activity in your grow space? A fly or 2, nothing small.
16. How much experience do you have growing?basically none.

one of my plants was pale and had yellow tips, so 3 days ago I flushed. 2 days past, and it became much worse (brown tips, pale leafs) so I figured it was a defficiency all along, and fed w/ GH MaxiGrow. From what I read, it was ether N or Iron deff. and maxigrow has both. Well 24 hrs later the plant is looking worse then ever.


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Re: Pale leafs, red stems, burnt leaf tips [Re: Dimo114]
    #591053 - 10/07/11 05:26 PM (5 years, 1 month ago)

Also the stems became purple and then red


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Re: Pale leafs, red stems, burnt leaf tips [Re: Dimo114]
    #591159 - 10/08/11 10:57 PM (5 years, 1 month ago)

Bumpingtonworth

Anyone?? Im pretty sure the small girl will die soon:uhoh:


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Re: Pale leafs, red stems, burnt leaf tips [Re: Dimo114]
    #591203 - 10/09/11 03:38 AM (5 years, 1 month ago)

My biggest plant is pale as well w/ leafs curled down, yellow tips on new&old leafs ans rusty spots  on older fans....the ph is 6-6.5 but on the 6.5 side; I only have ph drops.

I know this is most likely nute overdose but I dont wanna fuck up again so I reeally need a second opinion right now..am I being ignored or am I like the only one here >.<¿?


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Re: Pale leafs, red stems, burnt leaf tips [Re: Dimo114]
    #591228 - 10/09/11 10:55 AM (5 years, 1 month ago)

Flushing never hurt anything, so just do an emergency flush if you think that the problem is with the nutes.

I mean, if the plant is gonna die anyway you might as well flush it to try to save it. That might buy you some time while you wait for someone with the right answer to reply.


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Re: Pale leafs, red stems, burnt leaf tips [Re: RasJeph]
    #591250 - 10/09/11 11:57 AM (5 years, 1 month ago)

Solutions


I'm no expert at this but I think the link above may be helpful to you.


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Re: Pale leafs, red stems, burnt leaf tips [Re: phrostbyte]
    #591273 - 10/09/11 01:51 PM (5 years, 1 month ago)

Well the one thats about to die was flushed and got worse in the next 2 days, I fed 1/4 dose of veg nutes...and its still getting worse.
I guess ill flush the big girl, its just that I watered yesterday so im going to be stressing her out.


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Re: Pale leafs, red stems, burnt leaf tips [Re: Dimo114]
    #591281 - 10/09/11 03:08 PM (5 years, 1 month ago)

Sounds like it wants food then.  I think most new growers often confuse overfeeding with underfeeding.


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Re: Pale leafs, red stems, burnt leaf tips [Re: muse42]
    #591291 - 10/09/11 03:32 PM (5 years, 1 month ago)

in your pics it doesnt really look like any of them are on the brink of death. just really stressed out. also if you have been over feeding sometimes a flush will force your plants to absorb more food as it breaks down if the build up is a large amount. it has happened to me in the past.

but as everyone has stated its either too much or too little food.

i say give them a really solid flush. like 4x volume. give it a week. if they continually get worse after 5 days or so they need food. and start them off light. and work your way up until you start noticing an improvement. the worst thing you can do to a starved plant is overfeed it....that will kill the shit out of them.


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Re: Pale leafs, red stems, burnt leaf tips [Re: muse42]
    #591293 - 10/09/11 03:39 PM (5 years, 1 month ago)

Eeh Im confused. Are you talking about the sickest plant or both?
The second one I mentioned has yellow and rusty spots and the leafs are way curled down. Also young leafs are yellowing the most.
The small one is yellowing from bottom up but is reeeaally pale with  purple (almost red) stems.
Both have burnt tips
Guess I confused myself by posting about that second plant ..

Just saw your post Pernicious; yeah I guess flushing both is the best way to go and I will probably do that tonight, im just scared for the small one becauseit was flushed around a week ago


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Re: Pale leafs, red stems, burnt leaf tips [Re: Dimo114]
    #591294 - 10/09/11 03:44 PM (5 years, 1 month ago)

now im confused lol. the only one i can get a real look at is the tall skinny one.

the problem i have with this doctors diagnoses forum is its always so hard to tell from just the pictures unless they are really high quality. and even then there are so many things that produce similar results.Makes it really difficult to tell without actually phsyically seeing the plants and how the respond.

like the rusting could be from leaf rot, calc def, too much phosphorous, too little phosphorous, magnese def or root rot.

i mean all i can suggest is a flush and then feed. i mean you could always try something drastic like a transplant but thats only a last resort kind of thing.


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Re: Pale leafs, red stems, burnt leaf tips [Re: Pernicious]
    #591431 - 10/10/11 12:55 PM (5 years, 1 month ago)

Well heres the best I could do w/ this shitty camera


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Re: Pale leafs, red stems, burnt leaf tips [Re: Dimo114]
    #591482 - 10/10/11 06:23 PM (5 years, 1 month ago)

im guessing this is post flush?

it just looks like over watering. when the roots stay saturated for too long they wont absorb the nutrients they need. just let the soil get nice and dry. i usually wait until mine start to wilt a little bit before i water.

like id put money on too much water for too long.


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Re: Pale leafs, red stems, burnt leaf tips [Re: Pernicious]
    #591692 - 10/12/11 12:26 AM (5 years, 1 month ago)

looks like a simple N def.  The flush would have only made it worse unless you are still giving it a high N fert during flowering.

After I flush, I always give a bit of veg fert with my next feeding.


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Re: Pale leafs, red stems, burnt leaf tips [Re: muse42]
    #591988 - 10/13/11 12:43 PM (5 years, 1 month ago)

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Pernicious said:
im guessing this is post flush?

it just looks like over watering. when the roots stay saturated for too long they wont absorb the nutrients they need. just let the soil get nice and dry. i usually wait until mine start to wilt a little bit before i water.

like id put money on too much water for too long.




Nope that was 2 days after minimal dose of nutes. It can't be because I wait for dry soil before I water usually, so it would not start in the first place.

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looks like a simple N def.  The flush would have only made it worse unless you are still giving it a high N fert during flowering

After I flush, I always give a bit of veg fert with my next feeding.




K so I got pissed and flushed both again w/ 4x volume. I then fed w a pint of veg nutes (1/4 dose) per gallon of soil. The runoff of the nute water was 7, even though I phed the nutes to 6.5ish.


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Re: Pale leafs, red stems, burnt leaf tips [Re: Dimo114]
    #592062 - 10/13/11 08:30 PM (5 years, 1 month ago)

jeez. i can feel the frustration through my monitor. well either way they have been fully flushed so all you can do now is watch them/feed and wait for it to correct.

theres no signs of pests from what i can tell so w.e it is should logically correct itself slowly now.


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Re: Pale leafs, red stems, burnt leaf tips [Re: Pernicious]
    #592116 - 10/14/11 02:21 AM (5 years, 1 month ago)

Your plants will take longer to react than you will.  Don't over react.  The plant will take a few days for recovery signs show.


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Re: Pale leafs, red stems, burnt leaf tips [Re: muse42]
    #592158 - 10/14/11 01:52 PM (5 years, 1 month ago)

Hope youre right..
Is it supposed to stop getting worse tho?

Btw, another plant is paling w/ lots of spots. They were small and white-yellow yesterday (flushed right away this time), today they spread and there are brown/rusty dots on a few leafs.

I dont need a diagnosis, but since it is about the same size as the sick one was...before it was sick...and I fed them the same way, I will probably see what would have happened if I waited instead of flushing twice ._.
Deffinetly same defficiency or w.e it is, i'm pretty sure you'll be able to tell when I put up night pics. Hps rapes my phone camera.



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Re: Pale leafs, red stems, burnt leaf tips [Re: Dimo114]
    #592796 - 10/19/11 01:24 PM (5 years, 1 month ago)

My plants always do that around week 6 (your second pic) I give them a little veg nutes and it stops the yellowing. I actually forgot to do it with my most recent grow and shes losing a lot of her leafs. :blush:

Not so sure about the spotting though. I'm sure someone else will be able to help a bit.


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Re: Pale leafs, red stems, burnt leaf tips [Re: RasJeph]
    #594498 - 10/28/11 12:56 PM (5 years, 1 month ago)

And im back with more problems ._.
The biggest girl just started recovering but its week 5 of flowering and the buds look really premature. Also, the fan leaves (yes, all of them) pretty much died so I trimmed them off.


The skinny plant only got worse. After the flush I fed it every other watering (1/8 dose, then 1/5) but it keeps yellowing. The bottom fans (not really the bottom, as theres 2 sets left :/) keep dieing. Now I think theres a new problem because the small fans sticking out the bud at the top are yellow w/ burnt edges.


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