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    #575566 - 07/30/11 01:43 PM (5 years, 4 months ago)

Id like to say i appreciate you guys going into such detail about scrog, sog , lst but i had an idea and was also curious about a few things i was hoping you guys could give me some answers on. Mainly that but also some lighting questoins.

1.  I wanted to use dual 600 watt ballast. Was thinking anywhere from 4x8 to 5x10 curious on that? As to how much it will cover.


I was thinking a mother plant from seed. taking a cutting making sure she is female. Then use her or the first cutting from her as a mother plant allow her to do her thing in the veg room. (under t5 for the clones and maybe a small mh for her.

The flowering cycle controls pretty much the cycle of the garden. As to say how ever long it takes my clones to flower, from the time they are induced in the flowering room untill havest( with the 600 watt bulbs.) I was thinking 45 to 60 days but when ever they are ready.

So cut the clones allow them to be rooted (7-10days) and put under 24 hrs a day t5 light allowed to grow till they get 4 or 5 nodes and top them, then allowing them to continue until the lsat clones are done flowering. Maybe top them twice or try FIM instead of topping once.

2. What you think about that? What would be best (topping once, topping twice, or FIM)if say i wanted to flower and each plant have 1sqft of space?

When those go in or maybe a week before cut new clones from the mother and let them start rooting that will save me a week and add a wk of time the clones can be under the veg lights that their predecessors just left to go in flowering etc??


any help would be apreciate am a regular at the shroomery but still new to this hobby


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Re: SOG HELP [Re: bam]
    #575580 - 07/30/11 02:30 PM (5 years, 4 months ago)

The old rule of thumb has always been 50 watts per square foot of floor space, so with a 4X8 space "technically" according to that old rule of thumb you should have 1600 watts of light, but with 40 watts per square ft it would be 1280 watts, so I think you could squeeze by with that in a 4X8 space.

I personally wouldn't go 5X10 but it really depends on the size of the planters etc etc. I wouldn't top in a SOG either, I would aim for ONE single main cola per plant and get as many as I could as close together as the planters would allow. :smile:

SWIM currently has a 3X3 ebb and flow in a 4X4 space with a 1000 hps which equals out to be 62.5 watts per square ft of floor space. He has had a 400 watt in the same area before and still had great results but the nugs weren't as dense as he would have liked. This will be his first time meeting and exceeding the "50 watt per square ft" rule. 


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    #575604 - 07/30/11 04:51 PM (5 years, 4 months ago)

Yes it a pain in the ass but worth the return.:wink:


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Re: SOG HELP [Re: wishcouldeletethis]
    #575749 - 07/31/11 06:23 PM (5 years, 4 months ago)

so what about a plant every square feet  so 32 plants?  for 48 .  why only let them go from clone to flowering 2 wks later. couldnt they better fill each squar ft some how?

with LST , maybe training it around a 1'x1' frame with screen?

AND whats the problem with topping?

Problems are what with Either of those methods if i allow the plant to recover and continue to grow in the veg state?


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Re: SOG HELP [Re: bam]
    #575776 - 07/31/11 08:59 PM (5 years, 4 months ago)

Ok, first off growing regular plants in the same amount of space as the sog will not yeild the same. With sog you can get 2 lbs of quality colas from 1 1000watt light With large plants you will end up with much more of the popcorn bud thing and hash making materials.


Do not top plants that are going to be grown in a sog grow. You'll end up with a overcrowded mess and less yield in the long run. The pic above has the plants at 4 per sq foot.


2 600watt lights for 4x8 foot space. Good luck with that I'll believe it when I see it. That size is ideal for 2 1000watt lights. The above pic is exactly that. 2 1000watters over a 4x8 space.


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Re: SOG HELP [Re: Magash]
    #575803 - 07/31/11 11:20 PM (5 years, 4 months ago)

ok so what are these people talking about when they say a 100 watt covers 6x6 and a 400 watt cover 4x4 what happend to that?

So what space should i use with those 2 600 watt bulbs ? to three by three? wow


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    #575804 - 08/01/11 12:07 AM (5 years, 4 months ago)

1000 watts covers a 4 x 4


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Re: SOG HELP [Re: bam]
    #575807 - 08/01/11 12:40 AM (5 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

ok so what are these people talking about when they say a 100 watt covers 6x6 and a 400 watt cover 4x4 what happend to that?


That is not for cannabis plants. Different plants have different needs which isn't exactly covered by the bulb makers. When I first started I tried 400s over a 4x4 area and all I can say it was pretty sad.


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So what space should i use with those 2 600 watt bulbs ? to three by three? wow


Yup, they work great for a 3x3 area.


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Re: SOG HELP [Re: Magash]
    #575907 - 08/01/11 11:31 AM (5 years, 4 months ago)

google sea of green torrent and dl all three parts :gethigh: coolest shit you will ever see


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Re: SOG HELP [Re: shagdawg420]
    #576197 - 08/02/11 08:47 PM (5 years, 4 months ago)

Several questions guys thanks to all who can help and all helped by this.

Ive been reaserching several ways to do a grow and im going for either scrog or sog.

What i am proposing tell me what you think.

Im gonna be using 600 watt lumatek dual ballast.
And 4x4 trays maybe 3x3 because thats what e verybody says is the most a 600watt will cover and get those dense goodies.(unles im mistaken but i may do 4x4 any way)
Ebb and flow and each plant in its own basket.

SOG
I was thinking a mother and clones cut from her 2wks before the others are done flowereing.
4 plants per sqft so a total of 72 or 128 depending on which layout.

or scrog
I was thinking a mother plant in with and clones started at the same time the others go into flowering and each plant getting 1 sqft of space. Using that two months (est time of flowering beginging to end) to grow the clones out each in there own 1sq ft of space in and out of a wire screen. so that the plant is located in the middle and as soon as its rooted start training it in and out of the screen in a spiral patter starting at the middle going outwards? having 9 plants for each 3x3 area or 16 for each 4x4 area. either way the plant is gonna have multiple bud sites. curious what you guys think?


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Re: SOG HELP [Re: bam]
    #576201 - 08/02/11 09:01 PM (5 years, 4 months ago)

4x4 or 3x3 growing tray.

I did a grow under  1000 watt with a 5x5 area under the light. Every thing outside of 4x4 area was just popcorn buds.
I would go with the 4x4 if you got room. That way you can learn about you light and if u decide to get a 1000 watt u got the tray for it.
That 600 watt would be good for vegging under.

Are you going to get air cooled hoods?


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Re: SOG HELP [Re: KaptKid]
    #576205 - 08/02/11 09:06 PM (5 years, 4 months ago)

definetly air cooled hoping to put the light right onto of the canopy think for the advice on the 4x4 trays as i could always go up and i will also get to see first hand just what hapends to the buds on the outside perimeter of the 3x3.

any other help greatly apreciated.


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Re: SOG HELP [Re: bam]
    #576220 - 08/02/11 10:34 PM (5 years, 4 months ago)

Not bad but you may wanna start your clones 3 weeks before flowering ends. Some strains take longer to root and the ones that do root in the 7 to 14 day time can use the extra week to veg and let the roots adjust to the new medium.

In order to get the numbers your talking your gonna need 4 plants per sq ft rather then just 1. I'm guessing that was a misprint.


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Re: SOG HELP [Re: Magash]
    #576225 - 08/02/11 10:59 PM (5 years, 4 months ago)

no misprint 1 perr sqftin the scrog and 4 per sqft in the sog


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