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InvisibleMagashM
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If your going to Amsterdam........
    #499577 - 11/20/10 03:36 AM (6 years, 16 days ago)

........You better do it soon



Dutch plan to end marijuana tourism with members-only coffee shops

Published Date: 19 November 2010
By TOBY STERLING
in AMSTERDAM
MARIJUANA cafés in the Netherlands will become members-only clubs under new plans revealed by the country's new conservative government, a move that could effectively block foreigners from buying the drug.
If the plan becomes law it will be the latest of the country's liberal policies to be scrapped or curtailed as the Dutch rethink the limits of their famed tolerance.

While marijuana is technically illegal in the Netherlands, it has been sold openly in designated cafés for decades, and police make no arrests for possession of small amounts.

Justice minister Ivo Opstelten said that in the future, only residents of Dutch cities will be allowed to buy cannabis. "Not tourists. We don't like that," he said on state television. His spokesman, Wim van der Weegen, said Mr Opstelten intended to "give a political signal". He said details of the plan were being worked out and it would be presented to parliament next year.

"This cabinet wants to bring marijuana cafés back to what they were once intended to be: for people who live in the immediate area, not large-scale criminal trade and not tourism," he said.

The city of Amsterdam, which potentially stands to lose a major tourist attraction if the policy is enforced, is not enthusiastic about the proposal. "We're looking at it now, considering it, and a formal response is coming," said spokesman Bas Bruijn.

Last year, then-mayor Job Cohen said he feared a system requiring users to obtain passes "risks increasing street trade and 'illegal' sales points". In 2008 Amsterdam rejected a ban on marijuana cafés near schools that would have led to the closure of nearly all the bars, commonly known as coffee shops.

Dutch cities in the far south complain they suffer from crime caused by the illicit marijuana trade as German, Belgian and French dealers drive to border towns to buy supplies.

Marijuana café owners scoffed at the idea of member passes as political posturing and unworkable in practice. "It's not going to happen," said Michael Veling, spokesman for the Union of Cannabis Retailers and owner of the 4:20 café in Amsterdam. "I'm not worried because I have something in my head that's called common sense," he said.

The new Dutch government that took office in October comprises two conservative parties with the support of the far-right anti-Islam party of populist Geert Wilders.

Crime, immigration and safety issues have dominated Dutch political debate for a decade, leading to measures such as imprisoning asylum seekers, outlawing psychedelic mushrooms, mandating citizenship classes for immigrants and forcing people to carry ID cards.


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Re: If your going to Amsterdam........ [Re: Magash]
    #499578 - 11/20/10 03:40 AM (6 years, 16 days ago)

Lame.

BTW how are you doing man?


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Re: If your going to Amsterdam........ [Re: Magash]
    #499586 - 11/20/10 05:49 AM (6 years, 15 days ago)

im devestated by this, me and a few friends were planning to go sometime after the new year.

i really cant see this being permenant, especially when they relise how much mney they're going to lose out on.

and what would this mean for the cannabis cup? :confused:


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Re: If your going to Amsterdam........ [Re: Shaggy420]
    #499591 - 11/20/10 06:00 AM (6 years, 15 days ago)

Yer this sucks.

I don't get how they are so upset about weed tourists.

I mean, people getting stoned are much quieter and well-bevahed than people getting drunk...


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Re: If your going to Amsterdam........ [Re: Sir Smokes A-Lot] * 1
    #499592 - 11/20/10 06:20 AM (6 years, 15 days ago)

i cant even see this law lasting 6 months


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Re: If your going to Amsterdam........ [Re: Shaggy420]
    #499597 - 11/20/10 07:57 AM (6 years, 15 days ago)

The Cannabis Cup looks like it's gonna be moved to the USA. That's seems to be what everybody is thinking right now anyway. (I'm all for that cause you know what state it will be in if they do.)

For some reason there seems to be some kind of organized crime thing going on with the weed scene in Amsterdam (or that's the claim anyway). Do I think they will overturn it. Nope, I don't not until they vote in a new party. The government in Holland has been slowly turning on weed for 10 years now. They are finally doing what they have been threatening to do for years and I'm sure the United States is applying a lot of pressure on them.

The fucked thing is we use to say how Holland can handle it "look how well it works there to have things legal". Now it will be throne back at us "even Holland has made it illegal now"

What needs to happen is other business feeling the effect. Some guy goes there to go to the coffee shops but he also goes to the museums, restaurants, and other places that a tourist would do. They need to complain also before the gov there is gonna jump. They sure as hell won't do anything if it's just the coffee shops complaining.


In the last 5 or 6 years close to half the coffee shops have closed.


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Re: If your going to Amsterdam........ [Re: Magash]
    #499599 - 11/20/10 09:07 AM (6 years, 15 days ago)

They still have legal prostitution and all the blow and smack dealers possible.

:facepalm:


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Re: If your going to Amsterdam........ [Re: DungenessDank]
    #499602 - 11/20/10 09:24 AM (6 years, 15 days ago)

Oh god, I hope they bring the cup to the USA. I'll go every year. That would be the only good coming of this.


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Re: If your going to Amsterdam........ [Re: RasJeph]
    #499603 - 11/20/10 09:30 AM (6 years, 15 days ago)

They'll probably move everything to Oaksterdam.

I also think this would be a good time for Las Vegas to legalize marijuana and steal all of Hamsterdamn's tourism. Fuck dreary port cities. I want a fabricated reality built on a sunny pile of dirt in the desert.


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Re: If your going to Amsterdam........ [Re: psyberpunk]
    #499615 - 11/20/10 11:17 AM (6 years, 15 days ago)

I think hope they will realize what an error this decision will be after a few months or a year.  What a disservice for their economy.  Surely they have to realize that.  The loss of tourist income will vastly overshadow any support in this regulatory endeavor they are getting from other western countries.  need more research on this.

http://news.scotsman.com/news/Dutch-plan-to-end-marijuana.6631695.jp


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Re: If your going to Amsterdam........ [Re: FurrowedBrow]
    #499616 - 11/20/10 11:20 AM (6 years, 15 days ago)

why else would anyone visit amsterdam if not for the coffeeshops and brothels?

im sure they dont visit to see the windmills :lol:


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Re: If your going to Amsterdam........ [Re: Shaggy420]
    #499618 - 11/20/10 11:25 AM (6 years, 15 days ago)

or the fucking tulip gardens.  :lol:


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Re: If your going to Amsterdam........ [Re: FurrowedBrow]
    #499621 - 11/20/10 11:35 AM (6 years, 15 days ago)

i wonder what percentage of people who visit amsterdam actually go for reasons other than the coffeeshops.


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Re: If your going to Amsterdam........ [Re: Shaggy420]
    #499622 - 11/20/10 11:36 AM (6 years, 15 days ago)

Probably 50/50 realistically. I have no doubts its a beautiful country, baked or not.


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Re: If your going to Amsterdam........ [Re: DungenessDank]
    #499625 - 11/20/10 11:46 AM (6 years, 15 days ago)

I'm sure there are a ton of studies on the dutch tourist economy out there.  Surely there is also a coalition of coffee shop employees and owners who are advocating against this policy change.


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Re: If your going to Amsterdam........ [Re: FurrowedBrow]
    #499631 - 11/20/10 12:44 PM (6 years, 15 days ago)

This is not surprising at all coming from a far right conservative government that calls music a "leftist pass time". :facepalm:


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Re: If your going to Amsterdam........ [Re: Inverted]
    #499653 - 11/20/10 02:24 PM (6 years, 15 days ago)

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Inverted said:
Lame.

BTW how are you doing man?





Surviving. Got more chemo to do. :potleaf:


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Re: If your going to Amsterdam........ [Re: Magash]
    #499668 - 11/20/10 03:50 PM (6 years, 15 days ago)

I haven't seen you around in a while Mag, glad you're doing ok. Keep your head up and beat the shit out of this cancer :getstoned:


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Re: If your going to Amsterdam........ [Re: Magash]
    #499716 - 11/20/10 07:28 PM (6 years, 15 days ago)

First mushrooms now this shit  :boo:


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Re: If your going to Amsterdam........ [Re: Magash]
    #499781 - 11/21/10 12:26 AM (6 years, 15 days ago)

Quote:

Magash said:
Quote:

Inverted said:
Lame.

BTW how are you doing man?





Surviving. Got more chemo to do. :potleaf:




:sad:

hang in there man.  i'll keep you in my prayers


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