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    #452577 - 07/28/10 08:49 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)
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Cause that's what's on the US congressional agenda.  HR 5741 -

Here's the gist of it:

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To require all persons in the United States between the ages of 18 and 42 to perform national service, either as a member of the uniformed services or in civilian service in furtherance of the national defense and homeland security, to authorize the induction of persons in the uniformed services during wartime to meet end-strength requirements of the uniformed services, and for other purposes.




I have attached a copy of the full bill.  I suggest we ALL take some action and talk about this to everyone we know. 


"NY Democrat Charles Rangel presented this on July 15th and this bill is currently in debate in the House Committee on Armed Services, which is chaired by Representative Ike Skelton. This bill has no co-sponsor as of yet."
http://www.examiner.com/x-57780-Hartford-Pop-Culture-Examiner~y2010m7d27-HR5741--Universal-National-Service-Act---This-bill-takes-away-your-freedom-

If your congressman is in this committee i suggest you take action.  Here is a link to the committee:

http://armedservices.house.gov/list_of_members.shtml

my congressman is on there.


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Re: How about a nice tall glass of reduced freedom? [Re: FurrowedBrow]
    #452587 - 07/28/10 09:07 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

Nobody representing me there. :/

Thank you for bringing this up, I'm definitely keeping an eye on this.

CSPAN or just find it?

Depending on what "civilian service in furtherance of the national defense and homeland security" that means I could possibly support this.

But even then I wouldn't know.

On paper to me conscription looks pretty doable to me.


But that's only when civilian work can be done for it. To me it's just guaranteed time you have a job. :shrug:

But yet again, I wouldn't support it right this moment either.

Hell, if anything become of it I would say there is a 99.99% chance I won't like it.


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Re: How about a nice tall glass of reduced freedom? [Re: Thebooedocksaint]
    #452603 - 07/28/10 09:49 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

OHHHHHHH CANADA.


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Re: How about a nice tall glass of reduced freedom? [Re: Steve Buscemi]
    #452607 - 07/28/10 09:53 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

That is how Israel does it. Every one severs there.


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Re: How about a nice tall glass of reduced freedom? [Re: FurrowedBrow]
    #452609 - 07/28/10 09:56 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

I think we should do things like they did in that movie Starship Troopers
You have no rights till you serve 2 years in some kind of community service.
Either by joining the military or working in a local soup kitchen

:super:

No drivers license, no voting, no higher education, no recreational drugs

none of the 'luxuries' we take for granted these days

Either serve your community or GTFO :megacrankey:


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Re: How about a nice tall glass of reduced freedom? [Re: niteowl] * 1
    #452610 - 07/28/10 10:01 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

I'll take the soup kitchen


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Re: How about a nice tall glass of reduced freedom? [Re: FarBeyondDriven]
    #452611 - 07/28/10 10:03 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

I did my military time, I would go soup kitchen this time around or nursing home worker.


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Re: How about a nice tall glass of reduced freedom? [Re: Kilroy]
    #452612 - 07/28/10 10:04 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

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Kilroy said:
That is how Israel does it. Every one severs there.




And Germany I beleive as well.


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Re: How about a nice tall glass of reduced freedom? [Re: Kilroy]
    #452613 - 07/28/10 10:05 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

I just refuse to die for a government I don't necessarily believe in/like/agree with whatever.  The military itself, I have less of a problem with.  I know people in the military who signed just to get some loot to go to school, so it's not like they believe in some of the bullshit we're doing.


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Re: How about a nice tall glass of reduced freedom? [Re: Thebooedocksaint]
    #452614 - 07/28/10 10:06 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

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Kilroy said:
That is how Israel does it. Every one severs there.




And Germany I beleive as well.




Yea, there are several countries that do this
they aren't fascist and have plenty of freedom

go figure


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Re: How about a nice tall glass of reduced freedom? [Re: niteowl]
    #452615 - 07/28/10 10:08 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

Fascist governments don't tend to have that much longevity.


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Re: How about a nice tall glass of reduced freedom? [Re: niteowl]
    #452616 - 07/28/10 10:11 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

I don't know if I would say Israel has "plenty of freedom." everyone I've talked to who has traveled there says they have pretty severe security restrictions


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Re: How about a nice tall glass of reduced freedom? [Re: niteowl]
    #452619 - 07/28/10 10:27 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

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Thebooedocksaint said:
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Kilroy said:
That is how Israel does it. Every one severs there.




And Germany I beleive as well.




Yea, there are several countries that do this
they aren't fascist and have plenty of freedom

go figure




'plenty of freedom'  :lol:  I guess losing two years of your life to forced labor isn't that big of a deal for some people.


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Re: How about a nice tall glass of reduced freedom? [Re: FurrowedBrow]
    #452623 - 07/28/10 10:33 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

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niteowl said:
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Thebooedocksaint said:
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Kilroy said:
That is how Israel does it. Every one severs there.




And Germany I beleive as well.




Yea, there are several countries that do this
they aren't fascist and have plenty of freedom

go figure




'plenty of freedom'  :lol:  I guess losing two years of your life to forced labor isn't that big of a deal for some people.




Not if everyone else has to.

At least as long as it actually helps the country.


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Re: How about a nice tall glass of reduced freedom? [Re: FurrowedBrow]
    #452625 - 07/28/10 10:37 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

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Cause that's what's on the US congressional agenda.  HR 5741 -

Here's the gist of it:

Quote:

To require all persons in the United States between the ages of 18 and 42 to perform national service, either as a member of the uniformed services or in civilian service in furtherance of the national defense and homeland security, to authorize the induction of persons in the uniformed services during wartime to meet end-strength requirements of the uniformed services, and for other purposes.




I have attached a copy of the full bill.  I suggest we ALL take some action and talk about this to everyone we know. 


"NY Democrat Charles Rangel presented this on July 15th and this bill is currently in debate in the House Committee on Armed Services, which is chaired by Representative Ike Skelton. This bill has no co-sponsor as of yet."
http://www.examiner.com/x-57780-Hartford-Pop-Culture-Examiner~y2010m7d27-HR5741--Universal-National-Service-Act---This-bill-takes-away-your-freedom-

If your congressman is in this committee i suggest you take action.  Here is a link to the committee:

http://armedservices.house.gov/list_of_members.shtml

my congressman is on there.




Ah this fits perfectly with H.R. 1388 which passed the House last year... Yeah most people didn't hear about that one either, and I am thankful that Congress has been distracted by other things...  Anyways it was the mandatory "volunteer" act.
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Posted: March 19, 2009
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By Bob Unruh
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The U.S. House of Representatives has approved a plan to set up a new "volunteer corps" and consider whether "a workable, fair, and reasonable mandatory service requirement for all able young people" should be developed.

The legislation also refers to "uniforms" that would be worn by the "volunteers" and the "need" for a "public service academy, a 4-year institution" to "focus on training" future "public sector leaders." The training, apparently, would occur at "campuses."

The vote yesterday came on H.R. 1388, which reauthorizes through 2014 the National and Community Service Act of 1990 and the Domestic Volunteer Service Act of 1973, acts that originally, among other programs, funded the AmeriCorps and the National Senior Service Corps.

It not only reauthorizes the programs, but also includes "new programs and studies" and is expected to be funded with an allocation of $6 billion over the next five years, according to the Congressional Budget Office.

Many, however, are raising concerns that the program, which is intended to include 250,000 "volunteers," is the beginning of what President Obama called his "National Civilian Security Force" in a a speech last year in which he urged creating an organization as big and well-funded as the U.S. military. He has declined since then to elaborate.

According to a report by Canada Free Press, "'volunteerism' that kept America running since the days of its founding" would be "wiped out with the stroke of a pen."

"It becomes forced labor and like the practice of another era, presses American citizens of all ages and creeds, unknowingly into military service," the commentary said.

"On paper, H.R. 1388 is the 'Generations Invigorating Volunteerism and Education Act'; the more innocuous sounding 'The Give Act,' for short.

"The Give Act puts the finishing touches to Public Allies New Leadership for New Times, modeled after Saul Alinsky's 'Peoples Organizations' and operating under Michelle Obama," the commentary said.

"Michelle was also a pioneer in the social entrepreneur movement – leaders who create new approaches and organize to provide new solutions to social problems. Like most things Saul Alinsky, H.R. 1388 sounds noble in stating why wide-sweeping change is necessary," the commentary said.

"H.R. 1388 goes straight to the heart of volunteerism in America, impacting everything from the lemonade stands of neighborhood children, to the residents of senior citizens homes. … The Give Act puts tow-headed school children and silver-haired seniors in the official uniform of the new State, and encompasses every walk of life in main-street America," the commentary said. "Whether you are young or old, or firmly believe that volunteering means you are offering your time to the good of community work, you will be pressed into Obama's National Civilian Community Corps."

Groups of such "volunteers," would, under the legislation, be "grouped together as appropriate in campuses for operational, support, and boarding purposes. The Corps campus for a unit shall be in a facility or central location established as the operational headquarters and boarding place for the unit. … There shall be a superintendent for each camp."

The plan generated this concern from Resistnet.com: "This is the equivalent of brown shirts."

Another portion of the bill talks about a "service learning" plan that will be "a mandatory part of the curriculum in all of the secondary schools served by the local educational agency."






If these things ever make it to the next step, I am going to be checking prices on rentals in the Cayman Islands...


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Re: How about a nice tall glass of reduced freedom? [Re: Thebooedocksaint]
    #452629 - 07/28/10 10:41 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

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Not if everyone else has to.

At least as long as it actually helps the country.





That's the same mentality that the average person had in Germany around 1933.


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Re: How about a nice tall glass of reduced freedom? [Re: FurrowedBrow]
    #452633 - 07/28/10 10:49 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

Ain't it funny how history repeats itself?

The current financial situation is very similar as well... Hehe, just read up on the Bearer Bonds and the way they played a role in that period as well.

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Hmmm... or something like that.


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Re: How about a nice tall glass of reduced freedom? [Re: Harry_Ba11sach]
    #452636 - 07/28/10 10:56 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

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I don't know if I would say Israel has "plenty of freedom." everyone I've talked to who has traveled there says they have pretty severe security restrictions



but you have to consider that they have people on every border that want to mess with them. This is also why they have the mandatory civil duty there.

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Re: How about a nice tall glass of reduced freedom? [Re: Kilroy]
    #452654 - 07/28/10 11:20 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_National_Service_Act

not much support in the past, but it seems like anything can happen when the president wants it bad enough.


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Re: How about a nice tall glass of reduced freedom? [Re: FurrowedBrow]
    #452657 - 07/28/10 11:22 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

That's what scares me.  The tactic seems to be use an disaster to promote an agenda.  They have the foundation poured, just need to wait for the right moment to push the rest of the building up.


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Hmmm... or something like that.


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