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Re: Escaping Light [Re: just me]
    #36603 - 05/22/08 02:59 AM (13 years, 5 months ago)

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how many plants is it




only a few seedlings, until they show sex.


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Re: Escaping Light [Re: Laysthepipe]
    #36608 - 05/22/08 03:11 AM (13 years, 5 months ago)

gotcha.

man if theyre not even sexed yet, switchin to some floros wont hurt AT ALL!

you can get the lil double sockets and hardwire 3 of them to 3 indoor ext. cords with a 23w in each and have around 130w over a large amount of area that'll be plenty for your seedlings.

and good for a mum if you ever wannna keep a clone mother


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Re: Escaping Light [Re: just me]
    #36630 - 05/22/08 04:45 AM (13 years, 5 months ago)

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i mean of course the higher the lumens the better, but im gonna say that in veggie it doesnt matter.




This isn't really true. Its not really a matter of the total lumens, but how much light is being produced at the spectrums needed for that state. I don't think it would cause too much stress to switch down, but if the only reason one wanted to switch the lights one was using during vegetative growth was due to the cost of running the 400w HPS, I don't think its that big of deal. Switching next time around makes more sense if you wanted to.

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even still a 400w hps on 24/0 should be $60 a month at its highest.




I'm pretty sure it would only cost about half of that much, but what cost are you paying for a KWH, laysthepipe? Here's a site where you can plug that in and the amount of hours a day it is left on and it will give you an approximate cost. I don't think it takes into consideration the initial rush of energy the lamps use to fire up, which is something you won't have on 24/0 but once. :wink:

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i always use cfl's for veg. they have a better veg spectrum. but i honestly dont know if decreasing the lumens will hurt it




Decreasing the total amount of lumens produced won't matter if the light in the spectrums the plants need in that growing state increases.


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Re: Escaping Light [Re: Sirius]
    #36661 - 05/22/08 09:28 AM (13 years, 5 months ago)

Mythbusters did a feature on lights to see how much of a power spike lights used on start up to see if it exceeded the power you would have used just leaving it on. There's a common misconception especially with fluros and HID's that they use massive amounts of power to start.

They tested a range of lights including fluros, compact fluros, hps, incandescent ,halogen and maybe one or two others. They found that none of the lights used more than a few seconds worth of normal running power in the initial start up.
If anyone can be bothered they could find the test and results on the myth busters website.


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Re: Escaping Light [Re: Hanky]
    #36706 - 05/22/08 11:57 AM (13 years, 5 months ago)

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Hanky said:
Mythbusters did a feature on lights to see how much of a power spike lights used on start up to see if it exceeded the power you would have used just leaving it on. There's a common misconception especially with fluros and HID's that they use massive amounts of power to start.

They tested a range of lights including fluros, compact fluros, hps, incandescent ,halogen and maybe one or two others. They found that none of the lights used more than a few seconds worth of normal running power in the initial start up.
If anyone can be bothered they could find the test and results on the myth busters website.




they concluded for EVERY type of light it was more beneficial to turn them off when not using them.

they tested LED's too which outlasted everything significantly


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Re: Escaping Light [Re: just me]
    #36772 - 05/22/08 02:02 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

400 watts = .4 KWH.

.4 KWH * 24 hrs = 9.6 KWH/Day

9.6 KWH * $.08/kwh = $.77/Day

$.77/Day * 30 days = 23$/month JUST to run the HPS for 24 hrs a day.


Granted they may charge more or less per KWH but that's what i pay in my state. Unless you have to run your AC constantly your power bill won't raise that much and will not set off any alarms.


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Re: Escaping Light [Re: coda]
    #36782 - 05/22/08 02:38 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

you seriously pay only 8 cents / kwh?

we pay 12 here, but then that's about doubled when the "delivery charges" are factored in :mad2:


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Re: Escaping Light [Re: Yrat]
    #36792 - 05/22/08 03:21 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

yeah i was gonna say i thought it was about 14...but :shrug:

lucky coda


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Re: Escaping Light [Re: Yrat]
    #36798 - 05/22/08 03:56 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

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you seriously pay only 8 cents / kwh?

we pay 12 here, but then that's about doubled when the "delivery charges" are factored in :mad2:




yessir, only .08 here.  But that's just the cost of the energy, i have fuel taxes, account maintenance, etc as well.  It's not like my electric bills are like 10 bucks a month or something heheh.  I just happen to live in an area/state that's relatively poor and where the cost of living is low.  If you live near major areas, or, where the average income is pretty high, then your costs will be a bit higher.  Still .12 vs .08 is not much different.  Your energy costs for running an HID light are pretty minimal and will not raise ANY concern with the company unless you're:

a.) stealing power
b.) Dumb enough to run like 20,000 watts in your whole house for a grow.


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Re: Escaping Light [Re: coda]
    #36813 - 05/22/08 04:47 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

.12 vs .08 = 50% more!

i pay .1668/kwh when everything is taken into account, plus a $15 customer service charge :mad2:


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Re: Escaping Light [Re: Yrat]
    #36867 - 05/22/08 06:47 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

yup, it comes out to .078/kwh so i just round up.

energy charge = .05149
fuel cost adjustment = .022497
Debt Cost adjustment = .00414

Then get slapped with a 14 dollar customer charge and taxes.


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Re: Escaping Light [Re: coda]
    #36888 - 05/22/08 07:30 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

Mines basically .13, pretty expensive.


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