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 brifunforme
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#413117 - 05/06/10 03:11 PM (16 years, 4 days ago) |
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brifunforme
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 DieselB
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Re: Heres my hardware list, Missing anything you would suggest? [Re: brifunforme]
#413267 - 05/06/10 08:47 PM (16 years, 4 days ago) |
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You could keep it GH and drop the liquid karma for floralicious plus.
Are you getting a metal halide bulb too?
How are you growing them?
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brifunforme
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DieselB
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Re: Heres my hardware list, Missing anything you would suggest? [Re: brifunforme]
#413269 - 05/06/10 08:56 PM (16 years, 4 days ago) |
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Yeah, the MH is gonna give you a thicker plant in veg, but it's not super important.
I figured hydro, I was just wondering what method.
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brifunforme
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Re: Heres my hardware list, Missing anything you would suggest? [Re: DieselB]
#413270 - 05/06/10 08:57 PM (16 years, 4 days ago) |
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So whats the difference between the GH FloraNove and the GH Flora series?
Oh and method of hydro will probably be a flood and drain type system.
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brifunforme
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DieselB
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Re: Heres my hardware list, Missing anything you would suggest? [Re: brifunforme]
#413278 - 05/06/10 09:24 PM (16 years, 4 days ago) |
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Flora series is 3 part, and you normally use a mixture of the three. Floranova is a one part, "Grow" for vegging and then "Bloom" for flower.
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brifunforme
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Re: Heres my hardware list, Missing anything you would suggest? [Re: DieselB]
#413379 - 05/07/10 07:10 AM (16 years, 4 days ago) |
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Any pros/cons to using one or the other?
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Hawksresurrection
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Re: Heres my hardware list, Missing anything you would suggest? [Re: brifunforme]
#413501 - 05/07/10 04:02 PM (16 years, 3 days ago) |
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Stick with the liquid karma, I've used both and see better results with liquid karma compared to Floralicious.
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Dude she isn't as young as she use to be.
-niteowl
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Harry_Ba11sach
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Re: Heres my hardware list, Missing anything you would suggest? [Re: brifunforme]
#413518 - 05/07/10 04:51 PM (16 years, 3 days ago) |
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Dont' use snowstorm during veg man. That's seriously just a waste and could even do harm to the plant. They won't be producing trichomes at that age so it's really just nonsensical
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coda
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Re: Heres my hardware list, Missing anything you would suggest? [Re: Harry_Ba11sach]
#413521 - 05/07/10 04:54 PM (16 years, 3 days ago) |
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Quote:
Any pros/cons to using one or the other?
Hmm, the flora series might give you a little more control over your food, but the nova series is one part. Essentially the nova series is the bloom and the micro (for FN bloom) premixed for you.
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captain.koons
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Re: Heres my hardware list, Missing anything you would suggest? [Re: Hawksresurrection]
#413799 - 05/08/10 07:53 AM (16 years, 3 days ago) |
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hawksapprentice said:
Stick with the liquid karma, I've used both and see better results with liquid karma compared to Floralicious.
May I ask what exactly it is that resulted better with Liquid Karma over Floralicious?
I don't know anything about either product other what the websites say. Liquid Karma's description is more specific about contents so I'd naturally be more keen on using that product.
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Hawksresurrection
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Re: Heres my hardware list, Missing anything you would suggest? [Re: captain.koons]
#413854 - 05/08/10 10:13 AM (16 years, 2 days ago) |
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Well when I first started growing I started out with Liquid Karma and had been using it for years. When I made the move over to Floranova the guys at my grow store recommended to use floralicious, I forget what they're reasoning was. I used it for awhile it seemed to be working all right. But I decided to do a side by side comparison because in the back of my mind I wanted to still be using Liquid Karma.
When doing to the side by side the plants on LK grew a little more vigorously and turned out a bit more full overall.
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Dude she isn't as young as she use to be.
-niteowl
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brifunforme
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Re: Heres my hardware list, Missing anything you would suggest? [Re: Hawksresurrection]
#413856 - 05/08/10 10:15 AM (16 years, 2 days ago) |
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So hawks, what nutes do you have and use?
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captain.koons
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Re: Heres my hardware list, Missing anything you would suggest? [Re: Hawksresurrection]
#413875 - 05/08/10 10:58 AM (16 years, 2 days ago) |
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hawksapprentice said:
Well when I first started growing I started out with Liquid Karma and had been using it for years. When I made the move over to Floranova the guys at my grow store recommended to use floralicious, I forget what they're reasoning was. I used it for awhile it seemed to be working all right. But I decided to do a side by side comparison because in the back of my mind I wanted to still be using Liquid Karma.
When doing to the side by side the plants on LK grew a little more vigorously and turned out a bit more full overall.
So you would say these products work as actual yield or growth enhancers? I remember Rezdog on ICMAG recommending floralicious in veg for enhanced flavor then he stopped using it. So I mean he must have not been getting what he wanted or was expecting.
Do you use the same application rates?
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Hawksresurrection
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Re: Heres my hardware list, Missing anything you would suggest? [Re: captain.koons]
#414173 - 05/08/10 08:53 PM (16 years, 2 days ago) |
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Same application rates as what?? You mean between the 2?? If so it was 10 ml's per gallon for either one. So yes the same applications rate.
Yes i see improved growth when using Liquid Karma. When I want to improve smell I use a product called Budswel. The name makes it sound as if it increases your bud size, kind of deceptive. What I noticed it really do is make your bud reek to high heavens.
Bifurnome, I use a mix of a few different products. Here's a list for ya
Floranova grow and bloom
Liquid karma
CalMag
Sweet in flowering only
Silica Blast
Budswel
Gravity
Oregonism
Root Excelerator.
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Dude she isn't as young as she use to be.
-niteowl
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Harry_Ba11sach
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Re: Heres my hardware list, Missing anything you would suggest? [Re: Hawksresurrection]
#414242 - 05/08/10 09:49 PM (16 years, 2 days ago) |
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I've been using budcandy to try and get some stank going and so far I've seen (smelled?) pretty good results.
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Hawksresurrection
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Re: Heres my hardware list, Missing anything you would suggest? [Re: Harry_Ba11sach]
#414243 - 05/08/10 10:00 PM (16 years, 2 days ago) |
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Yeah that looks similar to sweet. Never used it myself, but I'll give it a shot in the futures to see how I like it.
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Dude she isn't as young as she use to be.
-niteowl
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Harry_Ba11sach
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Re: Heres my hardware list, Missing anything you would suggest? [Re: Hawksresurrection]
#414247 - 05/08/10 10:09 PM (16 years, 2 days ago) |
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What's the main thing in sweet? Budcandy is Magnesium sulfate and (it smells like) some sugars or carbs of some sort
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Hawksresurrection
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Re: Heres my hardware list, Missing anything you would suggest? [Re: Harry_Ba11sach]
#414260 - 05/08/10 10:35 PM (16 years, 2 days ago) |
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Same, plus some sulfur. I think they're pretty much the same product mang....
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Dude she isn't as young as she use to be.
-niteowl
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Harry_Ba11sach
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Re: Heres my hardware list, Missing anything you would suggest? [Re: Hawksresurrection]
#414263 - 05/08/10 10:37 PM (16 years, 2 days ago) |
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sounds like it 
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Hawksresurrection
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Re: Heres my hardware list, Missing anything you would suggest? [Re: Harry_Ba11sach]
#414265 - 05/08/10 10:40 PM (16 years, 2 days ago) |
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The carbohydrates in them are supposed to be the ticket though. Jorge claims that can increase yield.
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Dude she isn't as young as she use to be.
-niteowl
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Harry_Ba11sach
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Re: Heres my hardware list, Missing anything you would suggest? [Re: Hawksresurrection]
#414271 - 05/08/10 10:48 PM (16 years, 2 days ago) |
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I just use molasses.
PS Jorge is an idiot
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Hawksresurrection
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Re: Heres my hardware list, Missing anything you would suggest? [Re: Harry_Ba11sach]
#414278 - 05/08/10 10:56 PM (16 years, 2 days ago) |
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Eh, that's a personal opinion. His book can help people get started when they know nothing. Like any guide to growing you have to take what it says with a grain of salt.
If your adding BudCandy, then there's no need to add molasses. BudCandy has a crapload of carbohydrates.
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Dude she isn't as young as she use to be.
-niteowl
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Harry_Ba11sach
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Re: Heres my hardware list, Missing anything you would suggest? [Re: Hawksresurrection]
#414282 - 05/08/10 11:02 PM (16 years, 2 days ago) |
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I just don't like when he's the only cited source for everything. Of course carbs increase yield, but who cares if jorge said it? thousands of other MORE talented growers than him have said it and I respect that far more than some dude who doesn't even know what a bacteria is.
as for the carbs in bud candy; are you sure about that? they have a product called carboload which I would assume is where the carbohydrates are contained in their feeding regimen.
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Hawksresurrection
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Re: Heres my hardware list, Missing anything you would suggest? [Re: Harry_Ba11sach]
#414285 - 05/08/10 11:04 PM (16 years, 2 days ago) |
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http://www.advancednutrients.com/hydroponics/products/bud_candy/bud_candy_product_information.php
Yeah I have multiple other books on marijuana botany. That's just the book I remember that from. What do you mean he doesn't know what bacteria is??
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Dude she isn't as young as she use to be.
-niteowl
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Harry_Ba11sach
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Re: Heres my hardware list, Missing anything you would suggest? [Re: Hawksresurrection]
#414289 - 05/08/10 11:07 PM (16 years, 2 days ago) |
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I can't find the exact quote, but I literally saw a quote from him once that basically said this;
"trichoderma is an incredibly beneficial fungi for any soil grow. Having this bacteria in your soil can make an enormous impact on your yield"
One sentence, he claims that it's both a fungi AND a bacteria. I mean seriously, didn't he even TRY to pay attention in middle school bio?
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Hawksresurrection
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Re: Heres my hardware list, Missing anything you would suggest? [Re: Hawksresurrection]
#414292 - 05/08/10 11:11 PM (16 years, 2 days ago) |
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Well yeah that would be pretty bad. Could have just been a slip of the mind though. And then a shitty editor who didn't catch it.
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Dude she isn't as young as she use to be.
-niteowl
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captain.koons
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Re: Heres my hardware list, Missing anything you would suggest? [Re: Harry_Ba11sach]
#414300 - 05/08/10 11:22 PM (16 years, 2 days ago) |
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Harry_Ba11sach said:
as for the carbs in bud candy; are you sure about that? they have a product called carboload which I would assume is where the carbohydrates are contained in their feeding regimen.
Budcandy is the new carboload made fort he system. They combined the carboload and wet betty. They are trying to make a pH perfect line that doesn't need pHing and shit basically AN is just catering to more and more idiots.
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captain.koons
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Posts: 6,170
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Re: Heres my hardware list, Missing anything you would suggest? [Re: Harry_Ba11sach]
#415025 - 05/10/10 09:29 AM (16 years, 23 hours ago) |
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Harry_Ba11sach said:
I just use molasses.
PS Jorge is an idiot
I've read your explanation and he does get stoned and there's room for error once in a while. He seems to account for things accurately and recently just revealed his true identity and it turns out he published tons of horticulture books under his real name.
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Harry_Ba11sach
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Re: Heres my hardware list, Missing anything you would suggest? [Re: captain.koons]
#415050 - 05/10/10 09:43 AM (16 years, 23 hours ago) |
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hmmm...... well then maybe I'll chalk it up to simple human error then....
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captain.koons
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Re: Heres my hardware list, Missing anything you would suggest? [Re: Harry_Ba11sach]
#415053 - 05/10/10 09:45 AM (16 years, 23 hours ago) |
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It's pretty hard to never make a mistake. Trich is some pretty common bacteria too maybe I would be less inclined to think it was just a editing error if it was some less known type of bacteria or fungi labeled as both or the wrong kingdom name.
Who knows though...
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Harry_Ba11sach
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Re: Heres my hardware list, Missing anything you would suggest? [Re: captain.koons]
#415071 - 05/10/10 10:06 AM (16 years, 23 hours ago) |
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I feel like I've seen a bunch of other glaring errors from him in the past, but I can't think of an actual example right now so I'll stfu
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