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250w cfl for mother plants
    #823616 - 02/12/17 12:52 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

How many clone mothers can I keep under a 250w cfl. I'm hoping for 3 but I'm not really sure. I'd like to have a few different strains so I don't get burnt out on one strain.

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Re: 250w cal for mother plants [Re: bastard4life]
    #823617 - 02/12/17 12:54 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Also any tips for transferring plants from cal tent to 600w hps light?

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Re: 250w cal for mother plants [Re: bastard4life]
    #823656 - 02/12/17 11:00 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

A 250 actual watt CFL should be good for 3 smallish mothers, i would assume. As long as they arent too big.

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Re: 250w cal for mother plants [Re: TrueHerbCrystal]
    #823663 - 02/13/17 02:48 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Stoneth said 2 small mothers in another thread I started.

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Re: 250w cal for mother plants [Re: bastard4life]
    #823667 - 02/13/17 10:14 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

ah.

Whats a "cal tent"? is that a brand or something?

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Re: 250w cal for mother plants [Re: TrueHerbCrystal] * 1
    #823687 - 02/13/17 09:00 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Cfl. Auto correct must have changed it. Lol.

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Re: 250w cal for mother plants [Re: bastard4life]
    #823694 - 02/13/17 09:21 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

It really depends on how much you want out of those mother plants. Are you going to take 5, 10 or 100 clones every two months. Basically plan for about a 3-4' square area and adjust as the plants respond.  Keeping a plant alive is not light intensive, they basically just grow slower when they have less light, which can be adjusted for by the distance of the light to canopy.

I'm using my 40w DIY LED light to keep my mothers alive. its doing pretty well, with slow growth but keeping them alive and some are bushing out enough to take some clones soon. Its covering about a 4x4' area so its a bit too small for the area, but I just started a new flower cycle and don't need a bunch of growth right now. I'll add more as time goes on or I need larger plants for next cycle.

If your going with CFL I'd recommend a T5 fixtures. a T5-HO 4x4 uses 216w (54w/bulb)and provides excellent vegetative growth.


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Re: 250w cal for mother plants [Re: phychotron]
    #823695 - 02/13/17 09:32 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I already have a 250w cfl with a hood that was supposed to be used to start some for an outdoor grow and never actually started because I had to go see my sick mom for 2 months at the start of last year's grow season. Will it work? I'm not trying to buy any more until I have a good grow under my belt. Since then i bought a 600w hps/mh and im about to buy a small tent and 6 inch inline fan charcoal canister kit. But I was thinking that I could maybe keep 2 alive and health under the 250w cfl as clone mothers and use the tent as a flower tent.

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Re: 250w cal for mother plants [Re: bastard4life]
    #823698 - 02/13/17 10:39 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)


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Re: 250w cal for mother plants [Re: TrueHerbCrystal]
    #823699 - 02/13/17 11:20 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Yes

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Re: 250w cal for mother plants [Re: bastard4life]
    #823700 - 02/13/17 11:21 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

But it's not Apollo it's some other brand.

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Re: 250w cal for mother plants [Re: bastard4life]
    #823701 - 02/13/17 11:25 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Sounds like you'll be fine if your demand for clones is low.


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Re: 250w cal for mother plants [Re: phychotron]
    #823702 - 02/13/17 11:34 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I'm only growing for me and the misses. Thinking of 4 plants in a 3x3 tent with 600w hps. I can't really afford a bigger one right now. Unless you think I should put more in that small a tent?

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Re: 250w cal for mother plants [Re: bastard4life]
    #823703 - 02/13/17 11:37 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I'm really looking for us both to have an o a piece at least a month.

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Re: 250w cal for mother plants [Re: bastard4life] * 1
    #823704 - 02/14/17 01:46 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

So you need a quarter pound per cycle, or an ounce per plant. That's completely doable and easily double that once you get your skills up.

Plant count depends on grow style, height of plants, etc. If you did a Sea Of Green style you'd be able to get more plants but they'd be much smaller. The options are up to you and you'll need to adjust to what you like. Four sounds like a good starting number. I'd use something like a 3 gallon pot size.


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Re: 250w cal for mother plants [Re: phychotron]
    #823711 - 02/14/17 06:23 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I planned on 5 gallon pots. Would that be overkill? And was also thinking lsting both mother and flowering plants. One thing I've heard mixed answers about tho is can you use feminized seeds as clone mothers?

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Re: 250w cal for mother plants [Re: bastard4life] * 1
    #823713 - 02/14/17 09:31 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

You can clone feminized plants. I've even done successive generations of 12-14 (clone from a clone from a clone... from a feminized seed) with good growth.

5 gallons is a bit on the large side. Big pots for big plants. Each plant is going to have an 18" square plus head space, that's not much room for big plants. In a 4x4 area I tend to crowd the thing with four plants in 5 gallon pots.

Training really depends on the strain. Some are straight shooters that don't like to be topped. Others need it with LST. There's an art to topping your plants and getting them to bush out proper, usually about 2 waves of topping with LST in between to crown it out. Top when they're young so they branch out as low to the soil as possible. I try and leave four main branches in a + shape (when looking down) and develop those as the primary stems, then top those tips if needed in about 2 weeks. Sometimes you get a plant that has perfect branch distribution and will let you have 8 shoots with no overlap (+ and X when looking down) that might not need the second wave of topping.

As time goes on I try and get those 4 main branches as horizontal as possible to allow the main colas to form a crown and get the smaller shoots in the center a chance to develop.


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Re: 250w cal for mother plants [Re: phychotron]
    #823714 - 02/14/17 10:20 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Ok three gallon pots. How tall should they be when I flip the cycle to flower.

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Re: 250w cal for mother plants [Re: bastard4life]
    #823715 - 02/14/17 10:23 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I guess I should add that I'll be using well composted manure vermiculite and perlite in equal parts.

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Re: 250w cal for mother plants [Re: bastard4life] * 1
    #823725 - 02/14/17 02:30 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Again, strain dependent on how tall it will get. Some strains tend to stretch like the dickens (chemdog,gorilla glue, grand daddy pruple, etc) and need to be pinched back daily if your in a tent. Others might only get 2' tall and stay bushy. You can kinda tell beforehand how its going to respond but you really need to learn the strain.

Here's a plant on day 3 of flower


compared to day 51


You might be fine with 5 gallon pots. It will depend on how much you want to water and feed them. Soil is a slippery slope I try and avoid because of watering/feeding long term is a guessing game. Whereas hydro in coco like I like is water 2x a day on a schedule. 5 gallons might be ideal for your soil, I dunno.

You'll find you'll end up buying a bunch of random stuff on the hunt for that perfect system. With 5 gallon pots you could always use just 3 gallons of soil if you find your using too much. Root ball analysis after a grow will tell you if you even have roots at the bottom of a pot. Sometimes its just too deep and moist down there that the bottom half of the pot is relatively rootless.


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