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Unsure of symptoms leaves are displaying
    #786756 - 07/28/15 04:48 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

High All (lol),

I've just registered and this will be my 1st post:stoned:

I am growing some indoor plants, underneath a 600w LED light, and whilst some of my plants look fine (3 out of 5), the other two are showing strange symptoms on their leaves of which I am unsure of...

The rH is usually between 48 and 60%, and they grow in mediums consisting of vermiculite, perlite and coco coir. The temperature also ranges between 20 and 26°C, and until about two weeks ago I sprayed for spider mites as I had quite an infestation. Luckily they are all history now.:cool: Now these symptoms are bothering me, amd I hope it is not too severe. Can anyone help me identify the problem?

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Re: Unsure of symptoms leaves are displaying [Re: Hornygoatsweed]
    #786766 - 07/28/15 06:08 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Hey Welcome.  I would post a thread in the doctor's diagnosis sub with this form filled out.  It gets pretty quiet here but they will get you sorted out.

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Re: Unsure of symptoms leaves are displaying [Re: cheezymold]
    #786781 - 07/28/15 07:17 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Well your substrate has no nutrients.  So what are you feeding it?


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Re: Unsure of symptoms leaves are displaying [Re: Hawksresurrection]
    #786789 - 07/28/15 08:41 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

:whathesaid:

Also, don't be so sure that a single spray means those spidermites are history.  Those fuckers may come back with a vengeance.  Don't go spraying your buds with nasty shit if they do if you are going to smoke them and they are budding obviously.  Hopefully common sense would tell you that but if not then I will too.

Get those plants in a hot soil.


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Re: Unsure of symptoms leaves are displaying [Re: Big Bear]
    #786798 - 07/28/15 10:38 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

The spots on top look like some kind of fungal thing from where you spashed something wet on it and it sat there...


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Re: Unsure of symptoms leaves are displaying [Re: oeric mckenna]
    #786801 - 07/28/15 11:59 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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The spots on top look like some kind of fungal thing from where you spashed something wet on it and it sat there...





Looks more like severe deficiency to me


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Re: Unsure of symptoms leaves are displaying [Re: Hawksresurrection]
    #786805 - 07/29/15 12:59 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Thanks for all the advice!

I also reckoned it is defiency, of various sorts, so I did fertilize it with some organic pellets made from chicken manure, that is also fortified with kelp, about a week ago. I rather hope that is the reason, and not some fungal infection,  as it was quite a job getting rid of the spider mites (who became resistant to my 1st type of poison, a pyrethrin) :confused:

I check the leaves daily, and haven't seen a mite in the last two weeks, so my new poison + pH buffer kicked ass! :crazy2: Oh, and they're only still in Vegetative state, so I am pretty sure I don't have to worry about smoking poison one day post-Flowering and -Harvest.

You guys rock!
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Ps. Wake 'N' Bake Time!  :rockon:

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Re: Unsure of symptoms leaves are displaying [Re: Hornygoatsweed]
    #786806 - 07/29/15 01:27 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

See the purple stems on the left. Unfortunately I think your skrewed but that was 7 years ago. for all i know that could be puple dominant. But this pic reminds me of yours all i can do is tell you what caused it. It was started early as december the pic is taken somewhere around june and july. It was planted in used depleated miracle grow from the previous year filled with all kinds of bloom nutes and it had a yellow parasol mushroom infestation. The finished product was horrible  but the clones I took off it were green stems and healthy.If you are using old soil that could be it or mabey you just need some nitro. But I have to suggest taking a clone and once rooted plant it in some good old miracle grow and watch the purple disappear. It must be your soil. The one on the right is the clone see how it looks nothing like the donor.

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Re: Unsure of symptoms leaves are displaying [Re: Hornygoatsweed]
    #786820 - 07/29/15 10:44 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Thanks for all the advice!

I also reckoned it is defiency, of various sorts, so I did fertilize it with some organic pellets made from chicken manure, that is also fortified with kelp, about a week ago. I rather hope that is the reason, and not some fungal infection,  as it was quite a job getting rid of the spider mites (who became resistant to my 1st type of poison, a pyrethrin) :confused:

I check the leaves daily, and haven't seen a mite in the last two weeks, so my new poison + pH buffer kicked ass! :crazy2: Oh, and they're only still in Vegetative state, so I am pretty sure I don't have to worry about smoking poison one day post-Flowering and -Harvest.

You guys rock!
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Ps. Wake 'N' Bake Time!  :rockon:





Are they time released pellets? 

Also miracle grower sucks ass.  Dont use it


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Re: Unsure of symptoms leaves are displaying [Re: Hawksresurrection]
    #786822 - 07/29/15 12:14 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Give me three reasons Miracle grow sucks and I will stop using it.


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Re: Unsure of symptoms leaves are displaying [Re: littleb2020]
    #786826 - 07/29/15 01:37 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I don't need 3.

Miracle grow has time release ferrts in it, which aren't designed properly for the changing needs of marijuana.  As this particular plant starts flowering its nutrient requirements change, shifting from a higher nitrogen content, to a lower one, while increasing the potassium and phosphorus needs.  While you can grow it in miracle grow soil,  its far from ideal. 

Are you getting results like this in your miracle grow?



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Re: Unsure of symptoms leaves are displaying [Re: Hawksresurrection]
    #786828 - 07/29/15 02:25 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Bugs are attracted to weakened plants, its the vermiculite that did it, it holds a lot of water ..hence nutes

flush well, no nutes until you see an improvement, best to repot with no vermiculite ..good luck


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Re: Unsure of symptoms leaves are displaying [Re: vostok]
    #786840 - 07/29/15 02:54 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Um, yeah.  Not that cut and dry dude

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Re: Unsure of symptoms leaves are displaying [Re: Hornygoatsweed]
    #786851 - 07/29/15 04:32 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

What in the fuck am I reading right now :facepalm:


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Bugs are attracted to weakened plants, its the vermiculite that did it, it holds a lot of water ..hence nutes

flush well, no nutes until you see an improvement, best to repot with no vermiculite ..good luck




No it's best for him to repot in some potting soil and perlite.  That plant needs nutes plain and simple.  Verm isn't the problem it's the fact that there is no nutrients for the plants.  Verm holds a lot of water but that isn't what caused spidermites.  Telling him those plants need to be flushed with bo nutes until he sees improvement is just stupid im sorry.

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:crazy2: Oh, and they're only still in Vegetative state, so I am pretty sure I don't have to worry about smoking poison one day post-Flowering and -Harvest.




For sure.  I only mentioned it for down the line if they come back.  I know a fucker who sprayed an 18 ligjt grow with eagle 20 the 7th week of flower,  and so I felt compelled to add that in there.  Good luck man.  I highly suggest finding some potting soil of some kind and mixing perlite in (if it needs it) and taking it from there.  Soil is very forgiving.  Plants love soil.  I personally grow in a soiless mix for flower but i have a pretty nice nute regiment for them.


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Re: Unsure of symptoms leaves are displaying [Re: Big Bear]
    #786853 - 07/29/15 05:19 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

This plant has clearly depleated its nitrogen well before maturity
As well as preventing early budding outoors Miracle grow can also grow a plant 3ft high before nitrogen is depleted leaving ample room for additional nutrients before budding starts. And my plants look way sicker because  they're done in the sunlight, Although I would imagine miracle grow would suck for indoor grow temperature You wouldn't get to flush the quick release enough without overwatering.


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Re: Unsure of symptoms leaves are displaying [Re: littleb2020]
    #786855 - 07/29/15 05:51 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

For one, if you're outdoors, those ours aren't big enough.  My pants get well above 3 get before running out out nutrients without showing nitrogen deficiency, and be managed a lot easier since there aren't Siri time release chem ferts. 

I still have yet to see you post a decent product from your miracle grow.  All I've seen from you is plants showing issues


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Re: Unsure of symptoms leaves are displaying [Re: littleb2020]
    #786856 - 07/29/15 06:23 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Plants look sicker because they are in sunlight?  What are you talking about man?


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Re: Unsure of symptoms leaves are displaying [Re: Big Bear]
    #786862 - 07/29/15 06:53 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah, everything he's saying isn't making much sense


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Re: Unsure of symptoms leaves are displaying [Re: Hawksresurrection]
    #786909 - 07/30/15 12:10 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Honestly Hawk your plants look amazing I wish I could grow indoors like that. What I was was trying to get across is that miracle grow nitrogen runs out so you can regain control of you nutrient input should you wish to use extra nitrogen or bloom nutrients.I would rather use subscools super soil and never have to add anything but thats cost alot. The plant in the pic was an experiment I used yellow bag miracle grow and never added anything but  water with a 6.5 PH to see what it would do. If you dont mind me asking what kind of soil did you use on the plants in that pic? Was that hydro? Do you add nutrients?
This is a time lapse of 7 weeks in miracle grow now in the ground with pro mix and sandy loam feeding max sea 16-16-16. Less than 50 bucks invested.

Above: this is what happens when you flower with miracle grow. See how there is more green than trichlomes? I bet that bud tasted like lawn. Im pretty sure my peat moss and loam will prevent that.

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Re: Unsure of symptoms leaves are displaying [Re: littleb2020]
    #786912 - 07/30/15 01:46 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

that bud just looks like it wasn't done yet. Young, white hairs...


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Re: Unsure of symptoms leaves are displaying [Re: oeric mckenna]
    #787021 - 07/30/15 10:51 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

That bud definitely wasn't done. 

I use ffof, supplementing with liquid karma, silica, my own nutrient teas for flowering and botanicaire nutrients.  Sure more than 50 bucks invested, but considering what you see is only 6 plants in that picture, well worth it. 

I will take some pics of my outdoor plants later today to show you what they look like pre flower


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Re: Unsure of symptoms leaves are displaying [Re: oeric mckenna]
    #787183 - 07/30/15 12:10 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Agreed although what was the reason? I think its because it was still eating nitrogen from the slow release Miracle grow. Im gonna go out on a limb and say that Miracle grow should only be used for pre potting To accelerate early vegitating and prevent early flowering before its ready to be put in the ground and grow 6FT. Im getting close. yeah PLS Post your pics so I can see what those nutrients do outdoors.


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Re: Unsure of symptoms leaves are displaying [Re: oeric mckenna]
    #788979 - 08/08/15 07:41 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Can someone tell me if this is normal for growing in ground loam? My leaves used to look flat and they still do on the lower part of the plant 
Although the top ones look like they're clawing or something. The first pic is the lower part of the plant the next two are the claws. What does this look like to you?


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Re: Unsure of symptoms leaves are displaying [Re: littleb2020]
    #789034 - 08/09/15 08:46 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Holy thin sativa leaves batman....

They dont look unhealthy per se but that leaf droop isnt exactly good.
Usually a sign they're thirsty but in some instances they get that look from overwatering in poorly draining soil...

Maybe the roots are too close to the sun bake zone with shallow soil or something.
That happens to my tomatoes sometimes


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Re: Unsure of symptoms leaves are displaying [Re: oeric mckenna]
    #789066 - 08/09/15 03:20 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Thanks for the reply That pic was taken after vacation for 3 days without water;. They must be thirsty my soil doesnt drain very good so I made a extremely slow feeding water bucket It take all day to disperse 4 gallons of water we will see what that does.
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I EDIT INTEAD OF REPLY TO TRY AND PREVENT FORUM POLLUTION THIS WAS HEAT STRESS AT 2:00 PM FOR 4MIN AT A HIGH OF 86DEGREES WITH OVERWATER DUE TO CUNFUSION ALL FIXED WITH MORNING SPRITZ WITH CLUB SODA AND RE MOUNDED THE SOIL WITH A GARDEN SHOVEL FOR AERATION TO THE WET FEET.


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Re: Unsure of symptoms leaves are displaying [Re: littleb2020]
    #789134 - 08/10/15 04:35 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)


Hey if im using roughly 3 gallons per watering in a 3x3x3 hole how much nutrient solution am i supposed to use? Do I mix all three gallons of water with nutrients? Or do i just dose it with a like cup of nutrient solution and the rest water? Im almost ready to start OG bloom/CalMAG/Mollasses  PLS Help.


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Re: Unsure of symptoms leaves are displaying [Re: littleb2020]
    #789135 - 08/10/15 04:45 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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I edit instead of reply THIS WAS HEAT STRESS AT 2:00 PM FOR 4MIN AT A HIGH OF 86DEGREES WITH OVERWATER DUE TO CUNFUSION ALL FIXED WITH MORNING SPRITZ WITH CLUB SODA AND RE MOUNDED THE SOIL WITH A GARDEN SHOVEL FOR AERATION TO THE WET FEET.




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Re: Unsure of symptoms leaves are displaying [Re: Mycophile]
    #789140 - 08/10/15 05:22 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

This is what the problem turned out to be. KNow the problem is we have two irrelevant post contaminating the forum! Clean your ears out son.


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Re: Unsure of symptoms leaves are displaying [Re: littleb2020]
    #789148 - 08/10/15 06:32 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Heat stress for 4 minutes at 86 degrees? This makes no sense to me.

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Re: Unsure of symptoms leaves are displaying [Re: littleb2020]
    #789166 - 08/10/15 10:32 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Hey if im using roughly 3 gallons per watering in a 3x3x3 hole how much nutrient solution am i supposed to use? Do I mix all three gallons of water with nutrients? Or do i just dose it with a like cup of nutrient solution and the rest water? Im almost ready to start OG bloom/CalMAG/Mollasses  PLS Help.





However many gallons you water with, is how you gauge the amount of nutrient solution.  It says right on the bottle how much to use, good rule of thumb is to cut that in half


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Re: Unsure of symptoms leaves are displaying [Re: Mycophile]
    #789170 - 08/10/15 10:41 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

How is it irrelevant?  You kinda hijacked somebody else thread and wrote a bunch of gibberish that we can't translate.  Start your own thread and ask questions instead of telling people the wrong problem you have.

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    #789222 - 08/11/15 12:03 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: Unsure of symptoms leaves are displaying [Re: littleb2020]
    #789240 - 08/11/15 02:54 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I see, but 4 minutes is nothing...

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Re: Unsure of symptoms leaves are displaying [Re: Mycophile]
    #789429 - 08/13/15 12:01 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah thats what i said when i was staring at it. I did some more staring then i pulled out my temperature gun and I came up with another possible cause. The plant that is acting stressed is right next to a 120 degree stucco wall so I put up a temporary shade cloth and I blocked the heat radiating from the wall with a piece of white cardboard. Wish me luck.:grin:


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Re: Unsure of symptoms leaves are displaying [Re: littleb2020]
    #789593 - 08/14/15 02:05 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)


Can I bring something up? I hope the thread owner isn't mad. Check it out my stepdads friends are giving him advice again and they got him wanting to use a orange peel extract pesticide product. Im skeptical first of all oranges are sticky. All debris including trichodera spores are gonna stick to my plant. And my brothers leave orange juice in their rooms and it always grows trichoderm. How is this not asking for botrytis mold? I think id rather use spinosin A@D right when they start budding and just stop and leave it at that but i dunno.


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Re: Unsure of symptoms leaves are displaying [Re: littleb2020] * 1
    #789625 - 08/14/15 07:48 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: Unsure of symptoms leaves are displaying [Re: Big Bear]
    #789709 - 08/15/15 01:27 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Thanks for all your help but I guess im to advanced for big bears ears.
Oranges for plant spray you might as well just plant a grapefruit tree next to em.

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Re: Unsure of symptoms leaves are displaying [Re: littleb2020] * 1
    #789723 - 08/15/15 03:07 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Do you read your comments before you post them? 90% of them are incoherent rambling.

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Re: Unsure of symptoms leaves are displaying [Re: Mycophile]
    #789726 - 08/15/15 03:18 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah I sometimes i can be self righteous but really im just trying to decipher thought my delusion and discovery. I cant see my thoughts are corrupt until i document them in text.

They look pretty good now though dont they?


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Re: Unsure of symptoms leaves are displaying [Re: littleb2020]
    #789739 - 08/15/15 06:55 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Yes they look good. No signs of flowers yet?

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Re: Unsure of symptoms leaves are displaying [Re: littleb2020]
    #789743 - 08/15/15 07:42 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I was kidding.  I grow mushrooms so trich is my arch nemesis


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Re: Unsure of symptoms leaves are displaying [Re: Mycophile]
    #790071 - 08/17/15 08:22 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Nope do you have any outdoor flowering?


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    #790072 - 08/17/15 08:24 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Nope do you have any outdoor flowering yet? These are lookin like thanksgiving trees.


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Re: Unsure of symptoms leaves are displaying [Re: littleb2020]
    #790074 - 08/17/15 09:07 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

All of mine are flowering.

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Re: Unsure of symptoms leaves are displaying [Re: Mycophile]
    #790331 - 08/20/15 04:33 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)


This Is all based on plants living in 75% sand 15% silt and 10%clay

To start I must advise that if you use max sea Its cool but dont forget your carbohydrates and microbe food and keep the soil moist. If it cant breath when its moist then your soil is useless anyways. Im having second thoughts about max sea because that shit is not completely organic, and 16-16-16 may have sent me into phosphorus abundant nitrogen lockout so I went back to 5-1-1 fish emusion and they look perky again. I would prefer just kelp and not all that added sythetic stuff, but thats not even kelp its seaweed so i dunno im done with it this grow.

Hey I should know this but I dont belive I understand fully. When do I start adding My og bloom? When I see first signs of flowering or do I let the flowers develop to a percentage and then start adding bloom to prevent stall in bud production.


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