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OfflineFRACTALife
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I hope everyone * 1
    #782999 - 06/23/15 12:00 PM (8 years, 9 months ago)

Gets their guns taken away

Fuck the second amendment


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Re: I hope everyone [Re: FRACTALife] * 7
    #783002 - 06/23/15 12:14 PM (8 years, 9 months ago)

oh yeah. i totally agree. fuck guns. fuck our rights too. the govy knows best for us.


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Dying to be heard through the simple art of letting this heavy wall finally fall
I'm an equal being of no race, or color, a hallucination if you will
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Re: I hope everyone [Re: FRACTALife]
    #783005 - 06/23/15 12:24 PM (8 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

FRACTALife said:
Gets their guns taken away

Fuck the second amendment



totally! hey while we're at it, fuck all drugs too! :snowman:

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Re: I hope everyone [Re: FRACTALife] * 1
    #783016 - 06/23/15 01:39 PM (8 years, 9 months ago)

Come and get em.


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Re: I hope everyone [Re: FRACTALife]
    #783048 - 06/23/15 05:19 PM (8 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

FRACTALife said:
Gets their guns taken away

Fuck the second amendment




you sound smart :loldongs:


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Re: I hope everyone [Re: RasJeph] * 1
    #783053 - 06/23/15 06:38 PM (8 years, 9 months ago)

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RasJeph said:
Come and get em.




:lol: :guns:

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Re: I hope everyone [Re: FRACTALife]
    #783061 - 06/23/15 08:19 PM (8 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

FRACTALife said:
Gets their guns taken away

Fuck the second amendment




You don't deserve Murica

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Re: I hope everyone [Re: drawde]
    #783073 - 06/23/15 10:00 PM (8 years, 9 months ago)

let me guess... you do?


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Dying to be heard through the simple art of letting this heavy wall finally fall
I'm an equal being of no race, or color, a hallucination if you will
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Re: I hope everyone [Re: poor boy] * 1
    #783103 - 06/24/15 08:57 AM (8 years, 9 months ago)

There is no basis to make that inference from such a simple comment.

Obviously someone who doesn't respect the principles the nation was founded on is not deserving of it.

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Re: I hope everyone [Re: FRACTALife] * 2
    #783104 - 06/24/15 08:59 AM (8 years, 9 months ago)

Hey fractal, there are plenty of other socialist, gun control nations you can go live in.

Oh yeah, they have higher murder rates too.

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Re: I hope everyone [Re: drawde]
    #783112 - 06/24/15 11:59 AM (8 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

drawde said:
There is no basis to make that inference from such a simple comment.

Obviously someone who doesn't respect the principles the nation was founded on is not deserving of it.




other than the fact that you constantly cry about how much you want to move here.


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Dying to be heard through the simple art of letting this heavy wall finally fall
I'm an equal being of no race, or color, a hallucination if you will
Sneaking into the lives of strangers, and letting them fall apart to a new rhythm just to feel better

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Re: I hope everyone [Re: drawde]
    #783115 - 06/24/15 12:10 PM (8 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

drawde said:

Obviously someone who doesn't respect the principles the nation was founded on is not deserving of it.





Well that's not really a solid argument.  The U.S. Constitution was intentionally designed to be amended.  The people who founded this nation were smart enough to know that times change, and with those changing times, so must we change and amend the constitution to better fit the society we live in presently.

By your reasoning, which sure out was just s one line statement, one could also infer that we shouldn't have abolished slavery, since the founding fathers had slaves.


On top of that, they also held dissent in high regard.  So a citizen stating his opinion, also something that was part of our founding, is exactly what he should be doing.

Stay in Canada


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Re: I hope everyone [Re: Hawksresurrection] * 2
    #783116 - 06/24/15 12:13 PM (8 years, 9 months ago)

Where does the Constitution say anything about slaves?

Also, the second amendment is about dissent.
The irony here is too much to bear... dissenting that the ultimate means to dissent be abolished.

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Re: I hope everyone [Re: drawde] * 2
    #783117 - 06/24/15 12:17 PM (8 years, 9 months ago)

Anyone who thinks gun control solves things should watch this video.



It probably won't help you though, because if you are of that opinion, statistics/facts are meaningless to your Freudian psycho-sexual fear of weapons.

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Re: I hope everyone [Re: drawde] * 1
    #783119 - 06/24/15 12:33 PM (8 years, 9 months ago)

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drawde said:
Where does the Constitution say anything about slaves?

Also, the second amendment is about dissent.
The irony here is too much to bear... dissenting that the ultimate means to dissent be abolished.





Where did I say the constitution mentioned slaves?  :facepalm:


Also the second amendment was created in a time do unlike now that it hardly even applies anymore.  If you think that the guns people own are protecting them, you're blind.  The percentage of shootings or break ins that have been prevented by a law abiding citizen are dismally low. 

You are more likely to get shot by your own gun than you are of preventing anything. 

And this is coming from a gun owner who advocated for much stricter gum control


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Re: I hope everyone [Re: Hawksresurrection] * 2
    #783120 - 06/24/15 12:38 PM (8 years, 9 months ago)

Gee hawks, these sourced data points seem to think differently...

https://www.gunowners.org/sk0802htm.htm

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Re: I hope everyone [Re: drawde] * 3
    #783121 - 06/24/15 12:38 PM (8 years, 9 months ago)

Damn drawde when you're right you're right.:lol:
Real talk tho, "gun control" only makes it harder for responsible people to get or have gins.
The criminals will always have access to guns, or worse.  So called "gun control" will not stop this, and the government is aware of this fact.

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Re: I hope everyone [Re: Stoneth] * 1
    #783122 - 06/24/15 12:41 PM (8 years, 9 months ago)

Exactly, gun control has nothing to do with public safety (this has already been beaten to death, no pun intended), and everything to do with the rampant hierarchical dominance structure on this planet exerting control over the masses.

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Re: I hope everyone [Re: Hawksresurrection]
    #783123 - 06/24/15 12:43 PM (8 years, 9 months ago)

Here is the problem. Gun people that are fighting the gun control that use the 2nd amendment are straight up pussies. Just use the one argument that you have cause it's a fair argument.

"I like guns and I don't want to give mine up"

That's it. That's all you got so stop being pussies and use the real argument that you have.



This guy nails it right on the head (and he's pretty funny)



:happyweed:


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Re: I hope everyone [Re: FRACTALife]
    #783124 - 06/24/15 01:03 PM (8 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

FRACTALife said:
Gets their guns taken away

Fuck the second amendment



I can't tell if you're trying to troll or not.


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Re: I hope everyone [Re: Dr. Siekadellyk]
    #783125 - 06/24/15 01:12 PM (8 years, 9 months ago)

FRACTALife try to troll, :lol: no way man.:smile:
At least this time the thread has a subject worth discussing.:getstoned:

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Re: I hope everyone [Re: Magash]
    #783126 - 06/24/15 01:17 PM (8 years, 9 months ago)

i use my slaves to protect my family and i keep my slaves locked in a safe.

:loldongs:


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I'm a retarded, disfigured clown
Dying to be heard through the simple art of letting this heavy wall finally fall
I'm an equal being of no race, or color, a hallucination if you will
Sneaking into the lives of strangers, and letting them fall apart to a new rhythm just to feel better

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Re: I hope everyone [Re: drawde]
    #783127 - 06/24/15 01:19 PM (8 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

drawde said:
Gee hawks, these sourced data points seem to think differently...

https://www.gunowners.org/sk0802htm.htm






Yeah, that's not an unbiased source what so ever :rolleyes:
Quote:

drawde said:
Exactly, gun control has nothing to do with public safety (this has already been beaten to death, no pun intended), and everything to do with the rampant hierarchical dominance structure on this planet exerting control over the masses.





Then how do you explain other developed countries where they do have regulations and control that's higher than ours, and goon control deaths are extremely insignificant?


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Re: I hope everyone [Re: Hawksresurrection]
    #783144 - 06/24/15 02:20 PM (8 years, 9 months ago)

:popcorn:

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Re: I hope everyone [Re: P-O]
    #783150 - 06/24/15 03:38 PM (8 years, 9 months ago)

Legalize bud\other ethnos, and they can have the fuckin guns.

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Re: I hope everyone [Re: ashfiken]
    #783151 - 06/24/15 04:03 PM (8 years, 9 months ago)

im keeping my gun.


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I'm a retarded, disfigured clown
Dying to be heard through the simple art of letting this heavy wall finally fall
I'm an equal being of no race, or color, a hallucination if you will
Sneaking into the lives of strangers, and letting them fall apart to a new rhythm just to feel better

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Re: I hope everyone [Re: poor boy] * 2
    #783154 - 06/24/15 04:21 PM (8 years, 9 months ago)

I'm going to get another so I can steal ashfiken's bud/other entheos

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Re: I hope everyone [Re: Bumble_Dick]
    #783160 - 06/24/15 04:58 PM (8 years, 9 months ago)

im down!


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I'm a retarded, disfigured clown
Dying to be heard through the simple art of letting this heavy wall finally fall
I'm an equal being of no race, or color, a hallucination if you will
Sneaking into the lives of strangers, and letting them fall apart to a new rhythm just to feel better

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Re: I hope everyone [Re: Hawksresurrection]
    #783167 - 06/24/15 05:38 PM (8 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

Hawksresurrection said:
Quote:

drawde said:
Gee hawks, these sourced data points seem to think differently...

https://www.gunowners.org/sk0802htm.htm






Yeah, that's not an unbiased source what so ever :rolleyes:





Did you bother to read the sources on that information at all or did you just look at the link URL?

In my books, academic journals are reliable sources.

e.g. [1] Gary Kleck and Marc Gertz, "Armed Resistance to Crime: The Prevalence and Nature of Self-Defense With a Gun," 86 The Journal of Criminal Law and Criminology, Northwestern University School of Law, 1 (Fall 1995)

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Re: I hope everyone [Re: Magash]
    #783172 - 06/24/15 06:01 PM (8 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

Magash said:
Here is the problem. Gun people that are fighting the gun control that use the 2nd amendment are straight up pussies. Just use the one argument that you have cause it's a fair argument.

"I like guns and I don't want to give mine up"

That's it. That's all you got so stop being pussies and use the real argument that you have.




That is shortsighted.
Gun ownership is, and always has been, a political activity.

All I see in that video is a lot of knee-jerk emotional reactions and over simplifications such as this point you brought up.

Does nobody care about fact-finding anymore, or accuracy, or should we all just get our information from comedians?

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Re: I hope everyone [Re: poor boy]
    #783173 - 06/24/15 06:04 PM (8 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

Bumble_Dick said:
I'm going to get another so I can steal ashfiken's bud/other entheos



Quote:

poor boy said:
im down!





Lulz you guys watch it now, and keep outta my patch!! Just BC I'm willing to give up my guns don't mean other hunting implements won't leave you with a red dot on ya..

For real though bows and shit for the win. A real man can use those both for home defense and sustenance. Crossbow esp.. to hell with the boomboom sticks..


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Re: I hope everyone [Re: ashfiken]
    #783174 - 06/24/15 06:14 PM (8 years, 9 months ago)

You ever try to reload a crossbow while getting your teeth knocked out in a home invasion? Good fuckin luck.

Also, a real man wouldn't call it a boom boom stick, buddy.

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Re: I hope everyone [Re: Bumble_Dick]
    #783175 - 06/24/15 06:20 PM (8 years, 9 months ago)

One shot in the chest won't need a reload.
And id think a real man would say or call things whatever the fuck they like.
Big Dick swinging huh , buddy?

Cheers


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Re: I hope everyone [Re: ashfiken] * 1
    #783176 - 06/24/15 06:31 PM (8 years, 9 months ago)

:archiebunker:

Seriously though, why glamorize one killing instrument, while demonizing another, more effecient one? Explain your logic, please.

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Re: I hope everyone [Re: Bumble_Dick]
    #783179 - 06/24/15 06:43 PM (8 years, 9 months ago)

No glamorizing here man or demonizing, just stating that "efficient" killing tools are pretty scary. For everyone. And big gov will always have bigger guns.. ? Its all a scary concept. I'd prefer less of those efficient killing tools in that hands of anyone... is all.

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Re: I hope everyone [Re: ashfiken]
    #783183 - 06/24/15 07:47 PM (8 years, 9 months ago)

I'm sorry you get scared easily, but I've been around guns my entire life and realize that the real problem is a lack of education and respect for firearms. Getting rid of guns (as if that were a real optuon) isn't going to change anything, bucko.

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Re: I hope everyone [Re: Bumble_Dick]
    #783185 - 06/24/15 07:48 PM (8 years, 9 months ago)

Even I have guns, two of them actually. What a bunch of bleeding heart pussies.

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Re: I hope everyone [Re: BlueBerry_Swisher]
    #783189 - 06/24/15 08:10 PM (8 years, 9 months ago)

Is it a little pink 22?

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Re: I hope everyone [Re: Bumble_Dick]
    #783190 - 06/24/15 08:11 PM (8 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

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I'm going to get another so I can steal ashfiken's bud/other entheos




:ilold:

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Re: I hope everyone [Re: P-O] * 1
    #783196 - 06/24/15 08:30 PM (8 years, 9 months ago)


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Re: I hope everyone [Re: P-O] * 1
    #783200 - 06/24/15 08:59 PM (8 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

P-O said:





:highfive:


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Learning to love life by living through loss and mistakes
Lessons learned then gradually surfacing, Letting go, stripping naked to scream
I am not perfect nor do I strive to be, I am alive in this world of face first falls and public breakdowns
I'm a retarded, disfigured clown
Dying to be heard through the simple art of letting this heavy wall finally fall
I'm an equal being of no race, or color, a hallucination if you will
Sneaking into the lives of strangers, and letting them fall apart to a new rhythm just to feel better

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Re: I hope everyone [Re: Bumble_Dick]
    #783203 - 06/24/15 09:08 PM (8 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

Bumble_Dick said:
Is it a little pink 22?




:lolsy:

no.


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Re: I hope everyone [Re: Dr. Siekadellyk]
    #783246 - 06/25/15 10:32 AM (8 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

Dr. Siekadellyk said:
Quote:

FRACTALife said:
Gets their guns taken away

Fuck the second amendment



I can't tell if you're trying to troll or not.





Not trolling :volcano:

All those guys who shot up schools and churches got their guns legally

So much needless gun violence in the USA

I say take them all away


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Re: I hope everyone [Re: FRACTALife]
    #783247 - 06/25/15 10:53 AM (8 years, 9 months ago)

I say move to Canada, and leave well-enough alone.

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Re: I hope everyone [Re: FRACTALife]
    #783275 - 06/25/15 01:13 PM (8 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

FRACTALife said:
Quote:

Dr. Siekadellyk said:
Quote:

FRACTALife said:
Gets their guns taken away

Fuck the second amendment



I can't tell if you're trying to troll or not.





Not trolling :volcano:

All those guys who shot up schools and churches got their guns legally

So much needless gun violence in the USA

I say take them all away



U do realize tho that they would only take ours away and not theres.
N knives n bombs n poisons and black market, etc... also still exist. People will find ways around the guns to hurt people if they really wanted.


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Re: I hope everyone [Re: Dr. Siekadellyk]
    #783276 - 06/25/15 01:23 PM (8 years, 9 months ago)

I'm all about peace and love but I feel their would be less of that without our own guns and more pushing around since our defenses would be less so.
Bombs and knives and poisons still exists for people that really want to hurt others cuz they've been hurt, having no gun isn't gonna stop em.
I don't really believe anything should be illegal in fact. Who is to tell another what is right and wrong? Their is no natural basis to define a medium to morality beside empathy but even then our feelings aren't all calibrated the same.



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Re: I hope everyone [Re: Dr. Siekadellyk]
    #783280 - 06/25/15 02:05 PM (8 years, 9 months ago)

Spot on. Evil will always find a way.

Controlling guns only serves to dis-empower us good folk.

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    #783284 - 06/25/15 02:28 PM (8 years, 9 months ago)

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Gun ownership is, and always has been, a political activity.




No it isn't unless you happen to be shooting a politician.


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    #783288 - 06/25/15 02:59 PM (8 years, 9 months ago)

It's an American right so that, if need be, Americans can rise up against a tyrannical government, which is political in nature. Although it would be an hopelessly futile effort.

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    #783301 - 06/25/15 04:04 PM (8 years, 9 months ago)

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Gun ownership is, and always has been, a political activity.




No it isn't unless you happen to be shooting a politician.





Sorry, but you do not have a complete understanding of what it means for something to be political.

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    #783308 - 06/25/15 04:56 PM (8 years, 9 months ago)

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I'm sorry you get scared easily, but I've been around guns my entire life and realize that the real problem is a lack of education and respect for firearms. Getting rid of guns (as if that were a real optuon) isn't going to change anything, bucko.





Its not about scaring easily.. and you seem to think that the American sheeple are going to magically gain RESPECT AND INTELLIGENCE before moving forward with their purchases, actions, etc. If you think that's a thing we aren't in the same Murica. it does change things, look at Canada,, no handguns, less violence. Other developed countries too... we are really just scared of tyranny(you included) and think you can ward off evil with a fuckin barrel and trigger. You have to cut evils fuckin throat, with a mindset, not guns.

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    #783318 - 06/25/15 05:51 PM (8 years, 9 months ago)

I hope you enjoy living in a hippy fantasy-land. Show me where it says there is less violence/murders in other countries  (obviously less gun violence ).

Yes, bad people can get guns legally/illegally, but taking access away from good, honest people, like myself, you're stacking the deck against the innocent.

Maybe we should go beyond that and take away guns, knives, boomerangs, and anything with a sharp corner :facepalm:

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    #783325 - 06/25/15 06:16 PM (8 years, 9 months ago)

Also, just to clarify, I wasn't trying to insult you by saying scared, that's just the word you had used. I fully support people having different opinions on things, just try not to let fear be the driving factor when forming them.

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    #783327 - 06/25/15 06:22 PM (8 years, 9 months ago)

Yeah, everyones opinions except mine...


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    #783329 - 06/25/15 06:27 PM (8 years, 9 months ago)

:crymeariver:


"accept" :lol:

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    #783373 - 06/25/15 09:19 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Gun ownership is, and always has been, a political activity.




No it isn't unless you happen to be shooting a politician.





Sorry, but you do not have a complete understanding of what it means for something to be political.





and you do? what a joke. Tell us how Cooter shooting varmints in Mississippi is making his political statement. People like you who try and make mountains out of mole hills that is the problem with this country but you're not from here so it doesn't really matter does it since you don't know what your talking about.

Opinions on gun laws here are far more geographical then political here. You live in the South you love guns no matter what party you're with. From the North and you want gun control. The Western and Eastern states are divided as far as which political party your with doesn't seem to matter the people are divided on the issue.

and I sure and hell hope that by political statement just by owning a gun (utter bullshit) that you're telling the government that you're armed and prepared for any kind of take over is also utter bullshit and you can't be going there.

The vast majority of people are pro gun control. The vast majority of big mouths are anti gun control. Example: we here constantly hear how powerful the NRA is and how they can fuck up a politicians chances at getting elected yet there are only 5 million members of the NRA in the United States. See you really can get things done if you bitch enough like they do.


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    #783378 - 06/25/15 09:37 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Do you own a gun? How do you protect your property and plants from people that do own them? Gun control could  be feasible for larger cities where there might be a noticeable decrease in crime, but it's  ridiculous to think every tax paying citizen should be treated like a criminal.

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    #783387 - 06/26/15 01:49 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

You know I really don't have any feeling on it either way. Myself and drawde just like to argue. We have done it on other subjects that I can't remember but it was fun.

As far as protecting my stuff if somebody is prepared enough to where they can get past my protection then my gun isn't going to help they are way to prepared for that. I'm very well protected nothing is getting to me with or without a gun it's gonna take way more then that. (which of course can happen)


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    #783388 - 06/26/15 01:56 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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and you do? what a joke. Tell us how Cooter shooting varmints in Mississippi is making his political statement. People like you who try and make mountains out of mole hills that is the problem with this country but you're not from here so it doesn't really matter does it since you don't know what your talking about.




Logic and political philosophy is independent of one's physical locale.
Yes there are cultural phenomena involved, but that does not change the fact you are questioning.
A firearm is a political instrument because of how it changes interactions between people.
If you do not understand this I suggest you do some basic study on what the word political means.

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The vast majority of people are pro gun control.




Once again, a baseless claim.


http://www.gallup.com/poll/1645/guns.aspx

As we can see from this, the most recent data reveals that the majority, at 52%, are not in favor of stricter gun control, and that the number of people who are has been in decline since 1990.

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    #783389 - 06/26/15 02:36 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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A firearm is a political instrument because of how it changes interactions between people.
If you do not understand this I suggest you do some basic study on what the word political means.




You're grasping at straws to try and make the word political fit. Yeah of course a gun is gonna change the way two people interact if one is forcing his opinion on another but just owning a gun is not a political statement.

You're are using a old definition of the word politics to try and make it fit a situation it doesn't fit.

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Politics (from Greek: πολιτικός politikos, definition "of, for, or relating to citizens") is the practice and theory of influencing other people. More narrowly, it refers to achieving and exercising positions of governance — organized control over a human community, particularly a state. Furthermore, politics is the study or practice of the distribution of power and resources within a given community (a usually hierarchically organized population) as well as the interrelationship(s) between communities.

A variety of methods are employed in politics, which include promoting or forcing one's own political views among people, negotiation with other political subjects, making laws, and exercising force, including warfare against adversaries. Politics is exercised on a wide range of social levels, from clans and tribes of traditional societies, through modern local governments, companies and institutions up to sovereign states, to the international level.

It is very often said that politics is about power.[1] A political system is a framework which defines acceptable political methods within a given society. History of political thought can be traced back to early antiquity, with seminal works such as Plato's Republic, Aristotle's Politics and the works of Confucius.

Formal Politics refers to the operation of a constitutional system of government and publicly defined institutions and procedures.[1] Political parties, public policy or discussions about war and foreign affairs would fall under the category of Formal Politics.[1] Many people view formal politics as something outside of themselves, but that can still affect their daily lives.[1]

Informal Politics is understood as forming alliances, exercising power and protecting and advancing particular ideas or goals. Generally, this includes anything affecting one's daily life, such as the way an office or household is managed, or how one person or group exercises influence over another.[1] Informal Politics is typically understood as everyday politics, hence the idea that "politics is




Take your own advise and study what the word means. Cooter buying the gun to kill varmints isn't political statement unless he was trying to get them to vote for him or force his views on them before he shot them.

Just owning a gun is not a political statement or is it a political activity.

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    #783391 - 06/26/15 05:55 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

This is coming down to a matter of opinion now. You are refusing to see where gun ownership as a political activity fits into multiple points of that explanation. I could write an entire essay on this but I feel like I would be wasting my time with you. Besides, I have already shown how your facts have issues in the factual correctness department.

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    #783718 - 06/29/15 12:09 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Peter Hitchins settles this whole debate in 3 minutes:



Logic and common sense win out again.

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    #783721 - 06/29/15 02:12 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Hawaii has really strict gun laws.  Due to this, hardly anybody here owns guns.  Despite being an area with one of the densest populations in the united states, people hardly ever get killed here.  When it does happen, it is a crazy huge deal and they show the same damn incident on the news for weeks after it happens.  Kind of strange that when there are no guns, people aren't getting killed. 

There isn't really a right or wrong solution to the problem though.  Taking away all the legal guns will cause the black market to thrive.  There isn't anything saying that legal gun owners aren't going to kill people, just like the illegal gun owners could do.  Education for guns is a bullshit solution.  You don't go out and shoot people because you haven't been properly educated about guns, you kill people because you are pissed off and you want somebody to die.  Taking away the mandatory waiting period is the dumbest fucking thing ever.  Now anybody that has a fight with their spouse or catches them cheating can go buy a gun while filled with raw emotion from the shock of an event.  This is worse for people under the age of 25, where the brain isn't fully developed and anger causes severe lack in judgement.

What people don't understand about taking away American guns is that gun ownership is that is deters other countries from attacking us.  Now we have people that kill themselves to do damage because they don't stand a chance to survive the attack.  It's one big, never ending cycle.

There does need to be more laws regarding gun control, but I don't think they should be completely taken away.  It's not like owning guns would ever help us if our government turned on us.  An AR15 has no chance against drones, planes, ships, nuclear bombs, ect.  Or are we saying that citizens should be armed well enough to take on our government like our 2nd amendment was intended.  Let's give everybody tactical nukes.  Celebrate your second amendment rights buy buying 2, get one free! 

Maybe if police shifted their budgets to fight against violence and illegal firearms instead of cannabis, we might get somewhere.  Instead, they are just using the easiest means possible to maximize their budgets.  There is a way to fix all of this, but there are too many opinions to get anything productive done on the matter.

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    #783722 - 06/29/15 02:13 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Oh, and fuck the NRA

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    #783723 - 06/29/15 02:22 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Hawaii has really strict gun laws.  Due to this, hardly anybody here owns guns.  Despite being an area with one of the densest populations in the united states, people hardly ever get killed here.  When it does happen, it is a crazy huge deal and they show the same damn incident on the news for weeks after it happens.  Kind of strange that when there are no guns, people aren't getting killed. 

There isn't really a right or wrong solution to the problem though.  Taking away all the legal guns will cause the black market to thrive.  There isn't anything saying that legal gun owners aren't going to kill people, just like the illegal gun owners could do.  Education for guns is a bullshit solution.  You don't go out and shoot people because you haven't been properly educated about guns, you kill people because you are pissed off and you want somebody to die.  Taking away the mandatory waiting period is the dumbest fucking thing ever.  Now anybody that has a fight with their spouse or catches them cheating can go buy a gun while filled with raw emotion from the shock of an event.  This is worse for people under the age of 25, where the brain isn't fully developed and anger causes severe lack in judgement.

What people don't understand about taking away American guns is that gun ownership is that is deters other countries from attacking us.  Now we have people that kill themselves to do damage because they don't stand a chance to survive the attack.  It's one big, never ending cycle.

There does need to be more laws regarding gun control, but I don't think they should be completely taken away.  It's not like owning guns would ever help us if our government turned on us.  An AR15 has no chance against drones, planes, ships, nuclear bombs, ect.  Or are we saying that citizens should be armed well enough to take on our government like our 2nd amendment was intended.  Let's give everybody tactical nukes.  Celebrate your second amendment rights buy buying 2, get one free! 

Maybe if police shifted their budgets to fight against violence and illegal firearms instead of cannabis, we might get somewhere.  Instead, they are just using the easiest means possible to maximize their budgets.  There is a way to fix all of this, but there are too many opinions to get anything productive done on the matter.





this is invalid. you would have 0 deaths a year if you were armed.


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    #783727 - 06/29/15 04:14 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

TL;DR

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    #783729 - 06/29/15 04:26 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Ooooooooh!!!

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    #783753 - 06/29/15 08:25 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Thank you for proving my point with the video. Just owning a gun in the United States is not making a political statement. Owning a gun in England is making a statement but that is cause they are illegal there. They are not here so there is no statement to be made. In fact according to your video in England at one time they we're required to own a gun 2:50 minutes in. In that case not owning a gun would be the political statement would it not?
Now if they are ever made illegal and the owner of the gun decides he's not going to turn it in then owning the gun is making a statement but we are not at that point here in the US so the only statement being made by just buying a fully legal gun is "I like guns" which is no more of a political statement at this point then saying "I like bananas" when you buy fully legal bananas.

Like you said
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Logic and common sense win out again.





As far as how many people want stricter gun laws and how many don't I've seen 4 polls and got 4 different answers but here's the thing none of the polls matter because unless you come out and ask us 95% don't give a shit either way. Until we clicked this thread 95% of us here didn't give a shit and as soon as 95% of us post a answer we won't give a shit when we click away. One thing for sure is we don't give a shit enough to get up and vote on it. That's why the NRA gets there way when they only have 5 million members. Thats why everybody bitches about Obama as President but nobody gives that much of a shit. Not enough to go and vote on it. Only 54% of the registered voters voted in the last election.

http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/data/turnout.php


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    #783754 - 06/29/15 08:26 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I'm gonna buy another gun so I can take my old gun out back and put it out of its misery....

Such is the way of a Southerner :awedance:

But in all seriousness...guns and their use for non-lethal purposes are fun as hell, along with archery and whatnot. Perhaps we need to re-examine the environment that we cultivate in the US, and how said environment seems to breed excessive violence lately.

Maybe the countries that are progressive enough to try strict gun control are also progressive enough to invest more in the quality of life for all citizens, rather than focusing on the average median income and not worrying about how the money is used, or the outliers of the population. Banning tools that have a demonstrated history of violence is too simple of a solution, and like many controversial issues in the US, seems to be more of a scapegoat that distracts from the real issue...while being simple enough for even the dumbest individual to get mad about and feel like they know the answer to a more perfect world.

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    #783776 - 06/30/15 04:03 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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It's not like owning guns would ever help us if our government turned on us.  An AR15 has no chance against drones, planes, ships, nuclear bombs, ect.  Or are we saying that citizens should be armed well enough to take on our government like our 2nd amendment was intended.  Let's give everybody tactical nukes.  Celebrate your second amendment rights buy buying 2, get one free!




A "tyrannical government" need not be the entire government involved in a military operation against their own citizens involving drones and tanks etc...  We do govern ourselves and our government is made up of other citizens.  Citizens with power and influence.  Lets not forget a modern example of a citizen exercising their 2nd amendment right against a tyrannical splinter of our own government and effecting change that has likely prevented this tyranny since the Ruby Ridge incident (and WACO also soon after).

A quote from http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/incident-at-ruby-ridge

"The controversial standoff spawned a nationwide debate on the use of force by federal law enforcement agencies, and a U.S. Senate panel accused the federal agencies involved of “substantial failures” in their handling of the Ruby Ridge operation. Of particular controversy was an FBI “rule of engagement” implemented at the beginning of the Ruby Ridge siege that stated “any armed adult male observed in the vicinity of the Weaver cabin could and should be killed.”" So the first person the FBI shot and killed (after shooting the dog)  was a 14 year old boy (armed), followed up by shooting his mother holding an infant...

That seems clearly unconstitutional and yes, even tyrannical and by our own government, hmmm. It was because Weaver stood up and defended himself by way of the 2nd amendment that enabled the first amendment via public outcry through the press to change the government policies and personnel that allowed this to happen via senate committee hearings and a task force.

My interpretation of the intent of the 2nd is basically the same as the 1st, to protect the rest of the bill of rights in a situation that is so extreme that the right to use the power of free speech just is not enough.  I believe it was meant to be a sort of last line of defense against tyranny in general from those who govern us, this does not need to be the entire US Army or a squadron of mini gun laden blackhawks - it could be just a couple of feds on a power trip like Kahoe, chief of the FBI violent crimes division who was responsible for the Ruby Ridge incident and went to jail for it.  I think this makes the 2nd amendment very relevant even in modern times.

I think it was also meant to deter the Brits to some extent certainly giving the impression that all new Americans would be armed.  This type of deterrent can be very effective, just look at Switzerland during WWII - the Germans abandoned that small country because every citizen was armed and trained to shoot BY LAW, yes the damn Nazis were afraid to mess with them.  To this day the Swiss are a proud gun owning people,  In fact I have a Swiss K31 rifle that has the name and address of its original owner in Switzerland written on a card underneath the buttplate from over 50 years ago.  Anyone know what the violent crime rate is in Switzerland???


Oh, one more thing the Ruby Ridge incident illustrates nicely - the guy was in trouble for selling illegal sawed off shotguns!  Those gun laws didn't keep him did they...

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    #783780 - 06/30/15 07:28 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

This is getting way out of hand...

Let's all just quietly go back to our 5 word zingers and jokes. Let's be honest... No one actually wants to come here and read, "yada yada yada" 4,000 times.

My opinion is better than your opinion!!!

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    #783781 - 06/30/15 08:09 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I'm all for strict gun laws. Just don't take my guns :shrug:

If people want to kill they're going to. Guns or not. The people involved in these mass shootings planned these events out. If guns were not available to them they would have found another way.

just my opinion on the matter.

I'm up in the north east. My town has 1 grocery store, 2 gas stations, and 4 gun stores :lol:

the government will never take our guns. they may continue to scare us with threats, but those threats are only distractions from more pressing issues.


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    #783782 - 06/30/15 08:25 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Let's all just quietly go back to our 5 word zingers and jokes. Let's be honest... No one actually wants to come here and read, "yada yada yada" 4,000 times.





Really, there is no way I am reading these long ass fucking posts on subjects that have been beaten to death already.

At first I thought the OP was genius because it was a great troll post that got you guys all riled up, but now this shit is just annoying.

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    #784226 - 07/04/15 06:01 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Thank you for proving my point with the video. Just owning a gun in the United States is not making a political statement. Owning a gun in England is making a statement but that is cause they are illegal there. They are not here so there is no statement to be made. In fact according to your video in England at one time they we're required to own a gun 2:50 minutes in. In that case not owning a gun would be the political statement would it not?
Now if they are ever made illegal and the owner of the gun decides he's not going to turn it in then owning the gun is making a statement but we are not at that point here in the US so the only statement being made by just buying a fully legal gun is "I like guns" which is no more of a political statement at this point then saying "I like bananas" when you buy fully legal bananas.

Like you said
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Logic and common sense win out again.





As far as how many people want stricter gun laws and how many don't I've seen 4 polls and got 4 different answers but here's the thing none of the polls matter because unless you come out and ask us 95% don't give a shit either way. Until we clicked this thread 95% of us here didn't give a shit and as soon as 95% of us post a answer we won't give a shit when we click away. One thing for sure is we don't give a shit enough to get up and vote on it. That's why the NRA gets there way when they only have 5 million members. Thats why everybody bitches about Obama as President but nobody gives that much of a shit. Not enough to go and vote on it. Only 54% of the registered voters voted in the last election.

http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/data/turnout.php


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Where exactly did I say political statement?
My words were 'Political activity'. Can you not differentiate between the two?

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Re: I hope everyone [Re: drawde]
    #784238 - 07/04/15 08:59 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Then go ahead and tell me it's a political activity then cause it's not for the exact same reasons.

Go head and explain the political activity if guns aren't illegal yet. Go head tell us how the political activity is different then the statement made when buying a gun.

Comon man back it up. Tell us the what the political activity is in a country that guns are legal in.

I'll make the same statement I made before with your words put in. 

Buying a fully legal gun is no more a political activity then buying a fully legal banana. Guy goes to a store buys a gun takes it home puts it away till the next hunting trip. Please explain the political activity in that. In this country buying a gun cause you like to hunt is no more a political activity then buying car cause you like to drive.

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Can you not differentiate between the two?




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My words were 'Political activity'




Then maybe it will help you to know what the words mean before you say them. Here I'll help ya.

POLITICAL ACTIVITY
"
“Political activity” is defined as follows:
1) contacting, or urging the public to
contact, members of a legislative body for
the purpose of proposing, supporting or
opposing legislation; or 2) advocating the a
doption or rejection of legislation; or
3) the recruiting, supporting, or hinderi
ng of political candidates.  “Legislative
body” means any civil government or any
agency of government, any decision-
making body within the community or a co
llege or university or school, and the
general public/university/school community
making a decision in a referendum. 
“Public” means the persons in the gene
ral community or any part of it. 
“Legislation” includes any action by Congress, by any state legislature, by any 
local council or governing body, by the public
in a referendum, initiative,       
constitutional amendment, or similar
procedure, by any multi-state or multi-
national or international
body, or by any governing body of
a college or university
or school or a college or university or school
system, including student           
government, except insofar as the legisla
tion of such college or university or
school governing body directly
affects the associated grou
p.  The term “candidate
for public office” means an individual who of
fers himself, or is proposed by   
others, as a contestant for an elective pub
lic or other office, whether such offices
be international, national, state, local, re
gional, or special district, or within the
college or university or school or stude
nt government.  Activities that constitute
participation or intervention in a political
campaign on behalf or in opposition to a
candidate include, but are not limited to adver
tising, or the publication of         
distribution of written or printed statements, or the making of oral statements on
behalf of or in opposition to such a candidate."


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Re: I hope everyone [Re: Magash]
    #784245 - 07/04/15 11:35 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Vote for me, and i'll legalize guns, and drugs.


that's my presidential slogan.


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    #784248 - 07/04/15 11:45 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Also since when did fractal get so violent? He's changed a lot since he started using drugs.


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    #784249 - 07/04/15 11:52 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Also since when did fractal get so violent? He's changed a lot since he started using drugs.



No doubt.
That MXE or what ever really effected him in the wrong way.:lol:

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    #784255 - 07/05/15 01:52 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Also since when did fractal get so violent? He's changed a lot since he started using drugs.



No doubt.
That MXE or what ever really effected him in the wrong way.:lol:



He reminds me of cartman from south park now


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Re: I hope everyone [Re: Magash]
    #784271 - 07/05/15 08:50 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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drawde said:
A firearm is a political instrument because of how it changes interactions between people.





For example, your ownership represents a statistic by which politics are influenced.
Therefore simply owning influences the political spectrum.
How could you possibly deny that owning does not do this?
Do you suggest that if all the laws in the United States were the same, but nobody actually owned a firearm, that laws would not be influenced?

Edited by drawde (07/05/15 09:02 AM)

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Re: I hope everyone [Re: drawde]
    #784288 - 07/05/15 11:42 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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drawde said:
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drawde said:
A firearm is a political instrument because of how it changes interactions between people.





For example, your ownership represents a statistic by which politics are influenced.
Therefore simply owning influences the political spectrum.
How could you possibly deny that owning does not do this?
Do you suggest that if all the laws in the United States were the same, but nobody actually owned a firearm, that laws would not be influenced?






You know what I actually agree with you on this. Not to the extent that you do though.

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Do you suggest that if all the laws in the United States were the same, but nobody actually owned a firearm, that laws would not be influenced?




Now this doesn't fit cause if we didn't own the guns we wouldn't have these laws. Now if it was the way you mention then I can agree with ya.

but we are in the land of the bigmouth and whoever makes the most noise wins.

Example look at our gun laws yet less then 40% of households have guns here http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/10/us/rate-of-gun-ownership-is-down-survey-shows.html?_r=0 so our politicians don't really go with how many people own guns cause the number are still in favor of those who don't own them by the tens of millions. What happens is the NRA gets there 5 million members to vote along with some other groups and make a lot of noise and they have a far bigger influence then gun ownership numbers. (believe me I know there are a ton of pro gun people that don't get off of their lazy asses to vote either)


I'd say in Canada, Europe, Australia, it's what can you do to get things done. Here it's more a matter of how loud you have to bitch to get things done.




Then again the people in favor of stricter gun laws can use those gun ownership numbers for there side and that would make buying a gun a political activity even though the numbers are in favor of the other side.

30 years ago I fully agree with ya. Now your just buying a gun.

I guess what I'm saying is this. Yeah I agree it's a political activity and one that people use to care about but at this point it's a answer to a question nobody is asking.

(remember my answers pertain to the United States not countries where they rationalize things.)


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Re: I hope everyone [Re: Magash]
    #784289 - 07/05/15 11:55 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I suppose that is fair

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Re: I hope everyone [Re: drawde]
    #784298 - 07/05/15 01:37 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I need my gun to hunt for food if a fisihing line, or bow/arrow isn't sufficient. Also comes in
handy when me, or a loved one is being held at gunpoint, or worse. Some may say, but istoner,
if we banned guns, you wouldnt need them for protection And i'd say bullshit, we still have lsd,
and that was made illegal way back when.  I'll keep my rifle in the closet, and my colt at my bed
side thank you very much.


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    #784345 - 07/05/15 07:01 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Umm... Honestly, who gives a fuck as long as mag keeps posting. His avatar is... Mesmerizing.


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    #784351 - 07/05/15 07:14 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Umm... Honestly, who gives a fuck as long as mag keeps posting. His avatar is... Mesmerizing.




Ya know, as soon as I got this one I knew I had something special. :awetongue:


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Re: I hope everyone [Re: Magash]
    #784357 - 07/05/15 07:40 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

and you knew id be the first to comment about it.


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