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phychotron said:
I feed like normal and haven't checked my ppm or pH in a long time. It mixes with the nutrients fine. Well worth it. It helps boost the flower production as well. He sells the $20 bottle but you need to buy $25 worth of stuff to get free shipping

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phychotron said:
I feed like normal and haven't checked my ppm or pH in a long time. It mixes with the nutrients fine. Well worth it. It helps boost the flower production as well. He sells the $20 bottle but you need to buy $25 worth of stuff to get free shipping

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I dont know how you get away with not checking your pH growing in coco, but I got the stuff today and it raised a gallon of neutral 7.0 RO water to 8.5. After adding my Pro-Tekt it went up to 9.3. That is extremely alkaline, after adding my nutes Im going to have to add a LOT of pH down to get down to 5.9-6.0. Looks like Im going to have to choose between the hor/vit or the silicon...

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I use neutral RO water, no Cal/Mag...the Canna Coco A&B has plenty of Cal/Mag and Ive never needed to add any. Just adding the MBFerts stuff and Pro-tekt to pure RO water raised it that high.

I know this is going to sound strange, but I tried adding the Pro-tekt first, then nutes, and the MBferts last and doing it that way the MBFerts barely raised my pH at all...like .2 but adding the MBferts first before anything raised my neutral pH by 1.5. Doesn't make much sense but at least I can use it and the Pro-tekt together without adding much pH down doing it that way.

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I add the Pro-tekt first, if I add nutes first then Pro-tekt it gets real cloudy. The bottle even says to add Pro-tekt before nutes. I dont use Pro-tekt as a pH up, I use it for its supposed ability to strengthen the plants cell walls - although I havent noticed this at all since Ive been using it like others claim. Once this bottle is gone I'll probably cut it out completely.

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I've never tried the Botanicare.  Used the Royal Gold but had problems with salts.  Big problems with a couple of bags.  Anyway, Canna as usual has their shit together and their loose coco is quite nice.  I don't rinse it, just add light A&B Rhizo and a little CalMag and hydrolyzed fish fert (Neptune Harvest) for pH drop and put clones right into it, or plant seeds.  No more perlite!  That stuff is useless, no less than useless.  Canna doesn't recommend it and once you stop putting it in, you'll see why...

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I've never tried the Botanicare.  Used the Royal Gold but had problems with salts.  Big problems with a couple of bags.  Anyway, Canna as usual has their shit together and their loose coco is quite nice.  I don't rinse it, just add light A&B Rhizo and a little CalMag and hydrolyzed fish fert (Neptune Harvest) for pH drop and put clones right into it, or plant seeds.  No more perlite!  That stuff is useless, no less than useless.  Canna doesn't recommend it and once you stop putting it in, you'll see why...

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I dont use perlite in cloth pots but I use a little in these cups, figured it would help aid the roots with oxygen. For my next batch I'll do a half and half comparison.

How much of that NH do you have to use for pH drop? is it just a few drops like pH down? I'd like to switch to something like that since pH down adds no benefit other than dropping pH...

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