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 Soiless mediums 
#757006 - 11/12/14 05:52 PM (9 years, 5 months ago) |
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Anyone grow using a soiless medium? If so, what kind of mix do you feel performs the best? I've heard a straight up 1:1 ratio of perlite to vermiculite is supposed to be pretty good. How does it compare to regular soil and coco? Do you treat it more like coco or soil?
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 bEelzeBosS
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Re: Soiless mediums [Re: webster10]
#757009 - 11/12/14 06:18 PM (9 years, 5 months ago) |
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I grow in about 80/20 coco/perlite. Ive had a lot more success with this than I ever did with soil, not to mention it finally eliminated my fungus gnat problem. I also have a couple plants in 100% coco and cant really tell a difference between them and the ones growing next to them in the 80/20.
Ive never tried growing in verm, Ive only used it for shrooms but I have a ton of it so that does sound intriguing...
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Re: Soiless mediums [Re: bEelzeBosS]
#757036 - 11/12/14 07:51 PM (9 years, 5 months ago) |
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I've seen some impressive results from just a 50/50 verm perlite mix. I feel like it'd be good because it drains and dries quickly, and is inert so nutrients can be completely manipulated. Seems like a recipe for success to me but I'd like to hear others' inputs.
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Re: Soiless mediums [Re: webster10]
#757040 - 11/12/14 08:10 PM (9 years, 5 months ago) |
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I've used coco straight with great results.
Done hempy with three to one perlite to verm. Now I'm using straight perlite, and see no difference.
I run a basic drain to waste feeding plan. Currently using flora series.
I have never had luck with soil.
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Re: Soiless mediums [Re: Stoneth]
#757054 - 11/12/14 10:23 PM (9 years, 5 months ago) |
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Coco coir, straight up. 6.0-6.2 pH 20% run off and you'll have no problems.
I just made a post on why coco is far superior to peat, if interested you can check my recent posts.
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Just recently planted in coco/perlite 70/30 with fabric bags, been doing wonders for my autos! 700w mars2
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bEelzeBosS
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Fabric bags are the best, wont ever use anything else.
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Re: Soiless mediums [Re: bEelzeBosS]
#757177 - 11/14/14 08:44 AM (9 years, 5 months ago) |
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Clay balls and flood and drain. Complete control over nutrients, watering and air. One thing people forget about flood and drain is that the air gets pushed out from between the clay balls (I say that cause there are several brands. The real name is leca.) and every time the water goes back to the reservoir it draws new air to the roots.
Common guys Start playing with the big boys 
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Re: Soiless mediums [Re: Magash]
#757183 - 11/14/14 09:42 AM (9 years, 5 months ago) |
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If I had the space I would Magash. My grow area right now for veg and flower combined is 5 ft x 10 ft.
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Re: Soiless mediums [Re: bEelzeBosS]
#757185 - 11/14/14 09:49 AM (9 years, 5 months ago) |
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bEelzeBosS said:
If I had the space I would Magash. My grow area right now for veg and flower combined is 5 ft x 10 ft.
I'm just playing around man.  
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Re: Soiless mediums [Re: Magash]
#757190 - 11/14/14 10:16 AM (9 years, 5 months ago) |
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Y U PLAY SO RUF
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Re: Soiless mediums [Re: Magash]
#757193 - 11/14/14 11:10 AM (9 years, 5 months ago) |
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Well I'll be using f&d for flowering plants but have decided to go with coco for my mothers based on this thread. Not worth it to set up another system just for mothers IMO.
Speaking of growing in coco, do any coco users here use beneficials bacteria or mycorrhizae? I'm looking at great white by plant success and it looks pretty good.
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Re: Soiless mediums [Re: webster10]
#757231 - 11/14/14 03:15 PM (9 years, 5 months ago) |
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I use Great White and yes it works great. Buy the small one though, I bought the big one and I doubt I'll ever use even half of it.
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Re: Soiless mediums [Re: webster10]
#757233 - 11/14/14 04:00 PM (9 years, 5 months ago) |
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Quote:
webster10 said:
Well I'll be using f&d for flowering plants but have decided to go with coco for my mothers based on this thread. Not worth it to set up another system just for mothers IMO.
Speaking of growing in coco, do any coco users here use beneficials bacteria or mycorrhizae? I'm looking at great white by plant success and it looks pretty good.
Mothers in coco, flowering in hydro. How do you intend to veg the clones before you flower them. There are very few strains that can yield when flowered just as they root. I have seen one strain in my life that can be grown right from rooting and yields well slammed together and that's cause it doesn't branch.
as far as I know I'm the only one who has bred for this kind of growing.
With most other strains you end up with this when flowered from rooting.
I suggest you go all coco cause using two methods of growing for one small garden really isn't to well thought out.
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Re: Soiless mediums [Re: Magash]
#757234 - 11/14/14 04:05 PM (9 years, 5 months ago) |
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Is that 2nd picture a van?
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Quote:
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Is that 2nd picture a van?
Ok, here goes this story again.
I had a bunch of GDP that had a few days left to finish and I don't like things unless they are perfect so I moved em to the new location to finish up.
Well the plastic blows off of the back window and I got a trucker honking at me laughing his ass off. I pull over into a parking lot and fix the window. I finish fixing it and sit down to drive away and realize that I'm in a California Highway Patrol parking lot. I pulled out and managed to make it safe. I guess you know that cause I'm here to write this.
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Re: Soiless mediums [Re: Magash]
#757237 - 11/14/14 04:19 PM (9 years, 5 months ago) |
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Lol, for a second I thought you were growing in a van. 
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Re: Soiless mediums [Re: Magash]
#757337 - 11/15/14 07:58 AM (9 years, 5 months ago) |
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Well I was mainly just planning on growing your strains meant for the fast turn around. Also I was gonna use your method for taking cuttings so I could take larger ones and if need be veg them for a week or two in the hydro under the HPS. I know it's not ideal but for my needs I think it'll work out just fine
EDIT: and honestly I'd be happy with that second picture 
Edited by webster10 (11/15/14 08:02 AM)
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Magash
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Re: Soiless mediums [Re: webster10]
#757344 - 11/15/14 08:16 AM (9 years, 5 months ago) |
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Quote:
webster10 said:
Well I was mainly just planning on growing your strains meant for the fast turn around. Also I was gonna use your method for taking cuttings so I could take larger ones and if need be veg them for a week or two in the hydro under the HPS. I know it's not ideal but for my needs I think it'll work out just fine
EDIT: and honestly I'd be happy with that second picture
You know I wasn't sure what you were doing as far as the style of plant. Many small ones or a few big ones.
I also thought you were starting now. Did you already get some of my seeds?
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Re: Soiless mediums [Re: webster10]
#757347 - 11/15/14 08:24 AM (9 years, 5 months ago) |
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Ya, it's super quick indoors 6.5-7weeks. Kish is said to finish in 40-42days I think.
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Re: Soiless mediums [Re: Magash]
#757355 - 11/15/14 08:43 AM (9 years, 5 months ago) |
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I have a few babies from a friend but it is like a 100% indica strain. I'm going steady right now but I was really planning my setup around growing out your blueberry haze as my main strain. I like sativas better than indicas and it fits the kind of setup I wanted to run.
And I'm planning on having 7 "small" ones. I don't consider those plants in your haze log, "small" but they were flowered directly from rooting and that's what I was planning on doing
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Re: Soiless mediums [Re: webster10]
#757358 - 11/15/14 08:51 AM (9 years, 5 months ago) |
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BTW captain, how much coco are you yielding from the 5kg cocotek bail?(in gallons if you know)
And magash, do you think I should just go full coco? That'd allow me to veg some and then transplant. But then again veg time might be unnecessary with your haze. I could probably convert my pump and res to a coco drip system if you think that'd be better. Or I could continue with my plan and if I'm not growing haze, veg them for however long I need to under the HPS. What do you think? I'm just gonna do whatever you think will be better 
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Re: Soiless mediums [Re: webster10]
#757364 - 11/15/14 09:49 AM (9 years, 5 months ago) |
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20+ gals.
I think I filled 16 x 2.5 gal pots with 2 bricks with some left over. So probably 22+ gals per brick.
Go full coco.
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webster10
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22 gallons  Why the fuck did I ever buy FFOF?
Got any ideas for an automated coco system? I'm thinking ~7 medium sized plants.
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 Re: Soiless mediums [Re: webster10]
#757373 - 11/15/14 10:09 AM (9 years, 5 months ago) |
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I was just at my local hydroponic shop checking out what he has in stock. I'm thinking about coco, too... . . . 
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Re: Soiless mediums [Re: vinsue]
#757376 - 11/15/14 10:15 AM (9 years, 5 months ago) |
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It seems like a good medium to grow in. It has a 22% air capacity even when fully saturated. From what I read, you just gotta nute and keep it moist and you should be able to pump out some good plants.
I do think that hydro systems could offer better growth rates. But if being able to veg longer would make my garden a lot better I'll just go with the coco.
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Re: Soiless mediums [Re: webster10]
#757378 - 11/15/14 10:28 AM (9 years, 5 months ago) |
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Quote:
webster10 said:
BTW captain, how much coco are you yielding from the 5kg cocotek bail?(in gallons if you know)
And magash, do you think I should just go full coco? That'd allow me to veg some and then transplant. But then again veg time might be unnecessary with your haze. I could probably convert my pump and res to a coco drip system if you think that'd be better. Or I could continue with my plan and if I'm not growing haze, veg them for however long I need to under the HPS. What do you think? I'm just gonna do whatever you think will be better
I think I go with Koons on this one. I'd go full coco (yeah I know that sounds funny cause I hate coco with a passion but like I said I have no good reason for hating it) You may like my strain but every strain gets old after a while. Going full one way or the other will give you the option to veg clones without having to make major changes to the system.
I'd go full hydro but I'm not just doing 7 plants so hand watering isn't a hassle for you. That and I'm running multiple strains so I need complete control over the nutrients of each strain and I want (not need this is a eccentric thing) to be able to make changes to their nutrients in seconds.
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#757388 - 11/15/14 10:53 AM (9 years, 5 months ago) |
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I'm starting off with just a couple plants, hand watering. I've just started reading up on hempy bucket tek. I probably have a week or 2 until my seeds arrive so I still have time to get my plan figured out. Just want to keep it simple. I feel like I'm over thinking this shit... . . .
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Re: Soiless mediums [Re: vinsue]
#757392 - 11/15/14 11:04 AM (9 years, 5 months ago) |
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I feel like I'm over thinking this shit... . . .
You're just doing what everybody does and if you end up getting into this little hobby of ours it never stops.
Stoneth is the man to ask about hempy buckets.
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Re: Soiless mediums [Re: Magash]
#757394 - 11/15/14 11:08 AM (9 years, 5 months ago) |
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I remembered wanting to try everything.
Here's the thing, you stick to one nutrient line, the same plant and you're going to succeed.
You use many nutrient lines, many different plants... well you better know what you're doing.
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Anyone have any ideas on how to make an automated coco ebb and flow for about 7 plants?
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Magash
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Re: Soiless mediums [Re: webster10]
#757400 - 11/15/14 11:47 AM (9 years, 5 months ago) |
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Quote:
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Anyone have any ideas on how to make an automated coco ebb and flow for about 7 plants?
You don't want to go with ebb and flow with coco. Look up drip systems.
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Re: Soiless mediums [Re: webster10]
#757403 - 11/15/14 11:50 AM (9 years, 5 months ago) |
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Quote:
webster10 said:
Anyone have any ideas on how to make an automated coco ebb and flow for about 7 plants?
I think the ebb and flow probably works better for the clay pellets. The runoff from the coco tends to be all over the place in terms of both solids, and pH. You can also use the pellets with an aquarium pump and airstones constantly aerating your reservoir. Works like a charm, replace the nutes every week and easy to live with too. You could also set it up as ebb and flow from the get go or modify later.
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captain.koons
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I do coco ebb and flow.
Wanna fight about it Magash? 
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Nah, I admit coco isn't my subject. You know I really have no reason why I hate the stuff. When I used it everything turned out great. Kinda like when you meet somebody and can't stand them and just don't know why but that person rubs you the wrong way like a cheese grader on the ass.
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Re: Soiless mediums [Re: Magash]
#757418 - 11/15/14 12:49 PM (9 years, 5 months ago) |
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I could see how a fully automated hydro system would be preferable when dialed in. But in my situation I'd have to eliminate the chance for veg unless I go full hydro. I'd rather just go with coco, hand water my veg room and set up a drip system in coco. Do you think I could set up a drip system but drain it back into the res? Or is this not advisable with coco for some reason?
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Re: Soiless mediums [Re: webster10]
#757424 - 11/15/14 01:06 PM (9 years, 5 months ago) |
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Quote:
webster10 said:
I could see how a fully automated hydro system would be preferable when dialed in. But in my situation I'd have to eliminate the chance for veg unless I go full hydro. I'd rather just go with coco, hand water my veg room and set up a drip system in coco. Do you think I could set up a drip system but drain it back into the res? Or is this not advisable with coco for some reason?
Hey I'm down with ya. You've done your work and are headed in the right direction.
By the way the strains Heavy Duty Fruity, trainwreck, lavender, OG Kush (Reserva Privada version) all have a pretty similar growth pattern to the Blueberry Haze in case you wanted to practice first.
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Re: Soiless mediums [Re: Magash]
#757456 - 11/15/14 02:54 PM (9 years, 5 months ago) |
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Magash, drip is popular for coco hydroponics. More so than ebb and flow for sure. Ebb and flow is the same damn thing really when it comes down to it. I could see marginally better results if your nutrients aren't dialed in as it's not recirculating in the case of drip to waste.
I think the popularity is due to people having issues with coco, not flooding long enough to help saturate the top of the coco and also using too high of an EC, so when it evaporates it causes higher EC in the medium.
Ebb and flow requires pH/EC readings, preferably daily, but not necessary by any means.
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I wonder how bottom fed peat would turn out.
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