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 BubbaGump
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 Something to use for thicker stalks/stems? 
#745539 - 08/28/14 10:44 PM (9 years, 7 months ago) |
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What would you guys suggest to thicken my stems up and make the plants more hardy? I got a few sativa mothers given to me that we scrogged and the stalks just seem alot thinner than my plants normally look. I have a fan on them but wondering what supplements I could use to thicken them up. Root complex seemed to work for me before but I cant find it at my hydro shop
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Re: Something to use for thicker stalks/stems? [Re: BubbaGump]
#745540 - 08/28/14 10:48 PM (9 years, 7 months ago) |
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Strains are : royal highness, deathstar, train wreck, purple wreck, sage n sour, blue widow, underdawg og. The royal highness and purple wreck are the 2 growing tall as hell and skinnier stalks. And im starting to think that having them scrogged is causing the stems to not thicken much since the plant is being supported maybe? This is my first time ever scrogging.
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Re: Something to use for thicker stalks/stems? [Re: BubbaGump]
#745541 - 08/28/14 10:55 PM (9 years, 7 months ago) |
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Any silica supplement
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Re: Something to use for thicker stalks/stems? [Re: Hawksresurrection]
#745543 - 08/28/14 11:02 PM (9 years, 7 months ago) |
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Hawksresurrection said:
Any silica supplement
Cool thanks. Thats about the only thing I could think of. I read about the dyna gro and some other ones but wasnt sure if It was the right way to go. I also kept hearing about the potassium silicate building up cell walls or something which could promote faster growth? I just never know whats fact or fiction when it comes to new stuff. Ive always used the same stuff every year and cant get access to the usual stuff I use. Last year I just used guanos along with some stuff from the hesi line and loved it. Ill grab some silica tomorrow thanks. Any expierence with photosynthesis plus? I got a buddy that keeps raving about it and his microbes.lol
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Re: Something to use for thicker stalks/stems? [Re: BubbaGump]
#745544 - 08/28/14 11:05 PM (9 years, 7 months ago) |
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Ive never had problems with my stalks being skinny before so I thinks its because I got these mothers from a friend and they were already tall and lanky. He didnt fim them the right way I think. And figured being scrogged was also keeping the stalks thinner since the plant isnt supporting its full weight maybe. Other than that theyre thriving and looking ultra dank ill throw up some pics later
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Re: Something to use for thicker stalks/stems? [Re: BubbaGump]
#745546 - 08/28/14 11:44 PM (9 years, 7 months ago) |
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SCROG making stalks thinner?
I didn't find that to be the case 
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Re: Something to use for thicker stalks/stems? [Re: Magash]
#745552 - 08/29/14 12:40 AM (9 years, 7 months ago) |
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Could just be the strain
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Re: Something to use for thicker stalks/stems? [Re: Magash]
#745553 - 08/29/14 01:22 AM (9 years, 7 months ago) |
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Magash said:
SCROG making stalks thinner?
I didn't find that to be the case
Holy shit.lmao. that looks exactly like bonzai tree.agahaha. I guess its not from me scrogging then. I jist figured that couldve been it since its my first time scrogging and first time having thin stalks like this
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Re: Something to use for thicker stalks/stems? [Re: BubbaGump]
#745554 - 08/29/14 01:24 AM (9 years, 7 months ago) |
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Dude what fuckin strain is that? Ive never seen a bud plant look that extreme seriously.lmao. And I thought mine were cool
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Re: Something to use for thicker stalks/stems? [Re: BubbaGump]
#745556 - 08/29/14 02:04 AM (9 years, 7 months ago) |
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Look into pruning... that's what I do.. also keep the lights closer if possible...
get an indica... white widow is pretty tight too
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Re: Something to use for thicker stalks/stems? [Re: oeric mckenna]
#745594 - 08/29/14 01:27 PM (9 years, 7 months ago) |
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I'm pretty sure that was a mother he had running for awhile before that went into flowering.
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Re: Something to use for thicker stalks/stems? [Re: Hawksresurrection]
#745652 - 08/29/14 08:44 PM (9 years, 7 months ago) |
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Nah, it was a old plant that had been flowered and reverted several times to see if it could be done and how many times. After the 4th or 5th time it just totally hermied.
Strain was a Serious Seeds AK47
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Re: Something to use for thicker stalks/stems? [Re: Magash]
#745653 - 08/29/14 08:51 PM (9 years, 7 months ago) |
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Haha...thats rad.. the hormone fluctuations probably stressed the hell out of it eventually...
That's cool tho, I dig the curiousity
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Re: Something to use for thicker stalks/stems? [Re: oeric mckenna]
#745664 - 08/30/14 12:27 AM (9 years, 7 months ago) |
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I took a bunch of cuts again today off the mothers so theyve shortened up alittle now. And I got a ton of clones. I got together about 130 clones now plus my mothers.lol
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Re: Something to use for thicker stalks/stems? [Re: BubbaGump]
#745665 - 08/30/14 01:08 AM (9 years, 7 months ago) |
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Cool... chlorine water is good for clones...
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Re: Something to use for thicker stalks/stems? [Re: oeric mckenna]
#745666 - 08/30/14 01:17 AM (9 years, 7 months ago) |
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Cool story
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Re: Something to use for thicker stalks/stems? [Re: BubbaGump]
#745668 - 08/30/14 01:27 AM (9 years, 7 months ago) |
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Story?
I'm talking about for fresh unrooted cuttings...
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Re: Something to use for thicker stalks/stems? [Re: oeric mckenna]
#745735 - 08/30/14 07:38 PM (9 years, 7 months ago) |
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Seriously? I thought water with chlorine was bad? Ive always let my water sit out a day or two so the chlorine evaporates a little.
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Re: Something to use for thicker stalks/stems? [Re: BubbaGump]
#745738 - 08/30/14 07:42 PM (9 years, 7 months ago) |
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So far im taking my cuts and using clonex gel on them, then sticking them into rockwool cubes. Then I put them in a propagtor tray with holes in that tray, then put another tray underneath with a soaker hoseand perlite. That way it makes alot of humidity in the clone dome. And I bought a big ass rack woth adjustable shelfs on it. So I can hang the lights on the top of each shelf and have the clones trays right below the lights, and the clones can grow threw the shelf kinda like a scrog.Kinda hard to explain but I think I have a pic from a few weeks ago I can upload real quick
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Re: Something to use for thicker stalks/stems? [Re: BubbaGump]
#745752 - 08/30/14 08:10 PM (9 years, 7 months ago) |
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Heres a pic of 2 of my mothers when I first got them from my buddy a few weeks ago. Thats one of the shelfs on the rack im talking about. I took my mothers out of there though and now have all of my clones on those racks.its perfect for clones
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Re: Something to use for thicker stalks/stems? [Re: BubbaGump]
#745754 - 08/30/14 08:17 PM (9 years, 7 months ago) |
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Chlorine is generally thought to be bad for plants but is elementally beneficial for unrooted/newly rooting cuttings. look it up if youd care to... just a thought... there are of course, many roads to success.. I just think its a neat tip.
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Re: Something to use for thicker stalks/stems? [Re: oeric mckenna]
#745779 - 08/30/14 09:06 PM (9 years, 7 months ago) |
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Where's your source for that man? I have never heard of that, and am not finding anything on it.
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oeric mckenna
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Re: Something to use for thicker stalks/stems? [Re: Hawksresurrection]
#745789 - 08/30/14 09:15 PM (9 years, 7 months ago) |
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Independent but clearly compelling studies by knowledgeable growers on forums just like this one.
I heard of this years ago and it was a game changer for me in both speed and success rates.
I believe it was both grasscity and rollitup.org.
I've only heard this specifically applied to cannabis, but then again, this is a plant where cloning is more often employed, and being undreground, well, there won't be a harvard botanical study anytime soon...
So I can tell you firsthand its valid from experience, but try a google search or something like
"Chlorine beneficial cloning" or something or just run a trial with it and let me know if you agree
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Re: Something to use for thicker stalks/stems? [Re: oeric mckenna]
#745795 - 08/30/14 09:47 PM (9 years, 7 months ago) |
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Again, links to said people doing the studies.
And cloning happens ALL the time in agriculture dude.
I hate it when people spew shit without having anything to back it up.
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Re: Something to use for thicker stalks/stems? [Re: Hawksresurrection]
#745799 - 08/30/14 10:02 PM (9 years, 7 months ago) |
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Oh I'm not spewing "shit" brotha...
Give me a bit to compile
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Re: Something to use for thicker stalks/stems? [Re: oeric mckenna]
#745826 - 08/31/14 07:37 AM (9 years, 7 months ago) |
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https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=219683
Here's a long thread with lots of testimonials of people using calcium hypochlorite (pool shock)
Whether the arguement be that its simply beneficial as an element or that it wards off bacteria as its key to success increases, which many people chime in about. There are many doing this.
The people having trouble who turned that around with this are what piqued my interest originally.
The reasons why are basic.
I'm not much of a convincer myself and I have no side by side comparisons of my own documented.
If you guys would prefer, I'll keep my personal success tips to myself, because honestly I don't care either way. However, what's the point of a science community if we cant calmly discuss ideas??
I am science and logic minded and tend to flock to what works with consistency for me personally. I am generally mildly skeptical about most things but when they work I employ them.
"Clear-rez" by EZ clone is basically calcium hypochlorite with a pre-mix price tag.
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Re: Something to use for thicker stalks/stems? [Re: oeric mckenna]
#745829 - 08/31/14 09:08 AM (9 years, 7 months ago) |
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Quote:
oeric mckenna said:
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=219683
Here's a long thread with lots of testimonials of people using calcium hypochlorite (pool shock)
Whether the arguement be that its simply beneficial as an element or that it wards off bacteria as its key to success increases, which many people chime in about. There are many doing this.
The people having trouble who turned that around with this are what piqued my interest originally.
The reasons why are basic.
I'm not much of a convincer myself and I have no side by side comparisons of my own documented.
If you guys would prefer, I'll keep my personal success tips to myself, because honestly I don't care either way. However, what's the point of a science community if we cant calmly discuss ideas??
I am science and logic minded and tend to flock to what works with consistency for me personally. I am generally mildly skeptical about most things but when they work I employ them.
"Clear-rez" by EZ clone is basically calcium hypochlorite with a pre-mix price tag.
Good information. The calcium is a nutrient too?
I'm not sure I'd be in love with all "tap water" as they imply in parts of the thread. Tap water is all over the place in terms of chlorine, and nowadays may have chloramine, which is worse than the normal bleach they add. The thread points out chloramine is hard to remove, so would need to be tested first to even see if it's there.
The normal chlorine the water companies add is sodium hypochlorite, Clorox basically. So the idea of at least using spring or RO water and adding calcium hypochlorite in measured amounts makes a lot of sense.
H2O2 food grade! can also be used on a supplementary basis in small amounts after the initial CAOCl dosage.
My 2 pennies.
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Re: Something to use for thicker stalks/stems? [Re: oeric mckenna]
#745865 - 08/31/14 03:00 PM (9 years, 7 months ago) |
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Quote:
oeric mckenna said:
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=219683
Here's a long thread with lots of testimonials of people using calcium hypochlorite (pool shock)
Whether the arguement be that its simply beneficial as an element or that it wards off bacteria as its key to success increases, which many people chime in about. There are many doing this.
The people having trouble who turned that around with this are what piqued my interest originally.
The reasons why are basic.
I'm not much of a convincer myself and I have no side by side comparisons of my own documented.
If you guys would prefer, I'll keep my personal success tips to myself, because honestly I don't care either way. However, what's the point of a science community if we cant calmly discuss ideas??
I am science and logic minded and tend to flock to what works with consistency for me personally. I am generally mildly skeptical about most things but when they work I employ them.
"Clear-rez" by EZ clone is basically calcium hypochlorite with a pre-mix price tag.
The reason I put it the way I did, is because if you come in making claims, but then don't back them up and just say look it up, that doesn't fly man. If you want to say something works, it's on YOU to prove it. Not just tell people that it works, and they should take your word for it.
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Re: Something to use for thicker stalks/stems? [Re: Hawksresurrection]
#745866 - 08/31/14 03:16 PM (9 years, 7 months ago) |
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Fair enough dude, I'll keep that in mind for the future
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Re: Something to use for thicker stalks/stems? [Re: oeric mckenna]
#745871 - 08/31/14 03:49 PM (9 years, 7 months ago) |
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Thanks!
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Re: Something to use for thicker stalks/stems? [Re: Hawksresurrection]
#745934 - 09/01/14 12:18 AM (9 years, 7 months ago) |
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I know when I dont let my water sit out over night to let some of the chlorine evaporate I usually start to see white marks on the leafs or on the tips. I noticed after my last two grows it happened only when I didnt let the water sit out over night. Plus I live in toledo, im sure you all heard about our water here.agahahahaha. Theyre adding all kinds of messed up stuff to our water now and its causong all kindss of problems for my babies. They said a week ago that a film will show up on our water, but that its still safe to drink because its just phosphate, which is running off of farms into our drinking water supply.smh. My plants were showing signs of nute burn during that period when I wasnt even using any nutes at all. Its been causing me nothin but headaches this entire grow. I was gonna switch to ro water but I heard ro water can cause its own problems. Should I just buy some jugs of distilled water for a few weeks til this shit blows over? I know it will be expensive but im cool with that
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Re: Something to use for thicker stalks/stems? [Re: BubbaGump]
#745942 - 09/01/14 04:33 AM (9 years, 7 months ago) |
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I'd go with RO water if your tap really is causing that many problems. Just be sure to add everything the plant needs.
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Re: Something to use for thicker stalks/stems? [Re: webster10]
#745985 - 09/01/14 11:54 AM (9 years, 7 months ago) |
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