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ThriceKing
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Germination masterminds, please consider...
#722442 - 03/21/14 09:27 AM (10 years, 10 days ago) |
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So I dropped some serious fliff on quality genetics recently, and I don't want to bungle things when they get here. I have germinated in paper towels, in rock wool, in jiffy pellets, and by simply dropping into the pot they'll be in. So that said, what are some opinions here on the ULTIMATE way to germinate with maximum success? I am considering investing in a heating mat and humidity dome, but not sure if it's overkill.
Thoughts appreciated; added a poll for fun.
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BluntguY 207
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Re: Germination masterminds, please consider... [Re: ThriceKing] 1
#722452 - 03/21/14 10:10 AM (10 years, 10 days ago) |
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Ive always done it the wet paper towel way... never had a problem.
I just spent some cash for the first time on quality seeds. Out three in paper towel and all three cracked and had a tap root within 24 hours! They are in soil now waiting to sprout... Hoping for the best!
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Hawksresurrection
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Re: Germination masterminds, please consider... [Re: BluntguY 207]
#722460 - 03/21/14 12:10 PM (10 years, 10 days ago) |
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Wet paper towel is the way to go. But when it comes down to it, if they are going to germinate, the will. Don't fret so much.
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Re: Germination masterminds, please consider... [Re: Hawksresurrection]
#722520 - 03/21/14 04:54 PM (10 years, 10 days ago) |
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paper towel in a plastic bag keeped at a warm temp (not hot) and with in 24-48 all my seeds have opened
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chris606
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Re: Germination masterminds, please consider... [Re: Mrshroom]
#722521 - 03/21/14 04:56 PM (10 years, 10 days ago) |
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Wet cubes
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itsaconspiracy
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Re: Germination masterminds, please consider... [Re: chris606]
#722522 - 03/21/14 04:59 PM (10 years, 10 days ago) |
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i just put my seeds in a cup of water on top of my fridge (not in it) and in 24 hours they crack open.
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Re: Germination masterminds, please consider... [Re: itsaconspiracy]
#722535 - 03/21/14 06:31 PM (10 years, 10 days ago) |
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I used to soak my seeds in water for 24hrs., and then plant them in peat, verm and perlite peat pots. I would keep this in a seedling tray so I could bottom water.
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ThriceKing
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Re: Germination masterminds, please consider... [Re: blueconfusion]
#722538 - 03/21/14 07:28 PM (10 years, 10 days ago) |
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blueconfusion said: I used to soak my seeds in water for 24hrs., and then plant them in peat, verm and perlite peat pots. I would keep this in a seedling tray so I could bottom water.
I think this is my plan...
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Mr. Wilson
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Re: Germination masterminds, please consider... [Re: ThriceKing]
#722542 - 03/21/14 08:03 PM (10 years, 10 days ago) |
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hey man I was waiting to talk to you
about your ? tho
I had a good friend drop off a collection of cultivation books from hell I got the Jorge Cervantes, ed Rosenthal, greg green and a shitload others and ive been reading the hell out of em particularly the organic soma method
Ive always done the paper towel Tupperware thing in the 15 years ive been growing but he uses the cup of water way stating that a fella tears up the water roots using the paper towel method no matter how careful you are
me thinks I might do it his way this time around as I also for the first time I might add spent a wad on some seeds and from the same place you did at about the same time you did which brings me to what I want to talk to you about
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Hawksresurrection
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Re: Germination masterminds, please consider... [Re: Mr. Wilson]
#722543 - 03/21/14 08:13 PM (10 years, 10 days ago) |
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Well if something has been working, and I assume working well, for 15 years, why adjust it. If you were having issues I would understand.
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Mr. Wilson
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Re: Germination masterminds, please consider... [Re: Hawksresurrection]
#722544 - 03/21/14 08:16 PM (10 years, 10 days ago) |
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if it aint broke right??
but whats to say ive not been reaching my full potential
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Hawksresurrection
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Re: Germination masterminds, please consider... [Re: Mr. Wilson]
#722549 - 03/21/14 08:47 PM (10 years, 10 days ago) |
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Well were just talking about germination. If you were having a 70% or less germination rate, then ya, lets look at what's going on. But this isn't going to effect your yield/quality.
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Mr. Wilson
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Re: Germination masterminds, please consider... [Re: Hawksresurrection]
#722551 - 03/21/14 09:06 PM (10 years, 10 days ago) |
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I get a 100% rate myself
the soma guy says when you damage the fine water roots you stunt the plant
the other guy is in the same boat as me and is thinking like me
when a fella gives $10-15 a seed they better all pop
its up to the grower to make sure they get the best start they can and be the best plant that they can be
he is just looking for the best method as am i
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Re: Germination masterminds, please consider... [Re: Hawksresurrection]
#722556 - 03/21/14 09:48 PM (10 years, 10 days ago) |
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Boom!
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Hawksresurrection
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Re: Germination masterminds, please consider... [Re: Mr. Wilson]
#722557 - 03/21/14 09:48 PM (10 years, 10 days ago) |
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Dude, you really need to start using full sentences.
It doesn't stunt them. I've been doing this fore over a decade. Tried all the methods of germination. Wet paper towel is the best.
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Re: Germination masterminds, please consider... [Re: Hawksresurrection]
#722558 - 03/21/14 09:49 PM (10 years, 10 days ago) |
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Quote:
Wingmaster said: Boom!
Quote:
hawksapprentice said: Wet paper towel is the way to go. But when it comes down to it, if they are going to germinate, the will. Don't fret so much.
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Mr. Wilson
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Re: Germination masterminds, please consider... [Re: Hawksresurrection]
#722568 - 03/21/14 10:43 PM (10 years, 10 days ago) |
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Aye, I guess if you throw them in the soil just after the tap root starts to peek out instead of waiting till you get a half inch root a fella should be OK??
I also read a little something about soaking your seed in a little kelp water??
I'll tell yall something I've noticed and that there is a certain smell in your bag/container when you open it when the seeds have popped. I mean I can tell they've popped before I even lift the towel. Dunno?? Maybe I've lost my damn mind.
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Edited by Mr. Wilson (03/21/14 10:47 PM)
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Hawksresurrection
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Re: Germination masterminds, please consider... [Re: Mr. Wilson]
#722569 - 03/21/14 11:02 PM (10 years, 10 days ago) |
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Well you don't want to get a half inch of root before you transplant. You are just asking for trouble that way. As soon as they crack you should be planting them.
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Re: Germination masterminds, please consider... [Re: Hawksresurrection] 1
#722570 - 03/21/14 11:03 PM (10 years, 10 days ago) |
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And giving them any type of supplements before they are in soil and rooting and photosynthesizing is a waste of time and resources.
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ThriceKing
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Re: Germination masterminds, please consider... [Re: Mr. Wilson]
#722571 - 03/21/14 11:04 PM (10 years, 10 days ago) |
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Mr. Wilson said: Aye, I guess if you throw them in the soil just after the tap root starts to peek out instead of waiting till you get a half inch root a fella should be OK??
This is my thinking. Soak them in water til they crack. As soon as they do, place them right in jiffy pot/seed start soil, and keep warm and humid. Once you have what I like to think of as a little green satellite dish (catches rays from electromagnetic spectrum) with just the tip of roots showing at the edge of the jiffy pot, you can transplant into your penultimate container.
I hear there's reason to be paranoid about touching the tap root; only reason I think I'll avoid the paper towel this time.
Hawk is prolly right though, PT is a solid choice.
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ThriceKing
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Re: Germination masterminds, please consider... [Re: Hawksresurrection]
#722572 - 03/21/14 11:06 PM (10 years, 10 days ago) |
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hawksapprentice said: And giving them any type of supplements before they are in soil and rooting and photosynthesizing is a waste of time and resources.
This.
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Mr. Wilson
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Re: Germination masterminds, please consider... [Re: ThriceKing]
#722575 - 03/21/14 11:10 PM (10 years, 10 days ago) |
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I just read it somewhere and I actually have a sack of kelp this time around among a bunch of other organic goodies. Probably gonna use for a foliar feed like I'm supposed to.
Did you read my PM thriceking??
I wanna know what strains ya ordered
tell me yours and ill tell ya mine
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Re: Germination masterminds, please consider... [Re: ThriceKing]
#722579 - 03/21/14 11:18 PM (10 years, 10 days ago) |
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You don't want to soak cannabis seeds in water until they crack. You run a high risk of root rot when you do that.
Soaking seeds in water should be done for no longer than 24 hours and in the refrigerator. The point of soaking cannabis seeds in cold water is to simulate winter which causes the husk of the cannabis seed to crack more readily.
I soak my cannabis seeds for 24 hours in a shot glass of distilled or reverse osmosised water in the fridge then take em' to the papertowel method until germination occurs. From there I transplant the sproutlings into my growing medium of choice.
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Mr. Wilson
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Re: Germination masterminds, please consider... [Re: hamloaf]
#722580 - 03/21/14 11:24 PM (10 years, 10 days ago) |
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Hey now!
That's something good to chew on.
I do my ginseng seeds kinda like that.
Like a freeze thaw freeze thaw kinda thing.
There's a word for it.
I think they call it stratifying??
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Hawksresurrection
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Re: Germination masterminds, please consider... [Re: Mr. Wilson]
#722581 - 03/21/14 11:41 PM (10 years, 10 days ago) |
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Who said anything about freeze thaw freeze? And sentence structure dude.
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ThriceKing
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Re: Germination masterminds, please consider... [Re: hamloaf]
#722582 - 03/21/14 11:49 PM (10 years, 10 days ago) |
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hamloaf said: You don't want to soak cannabis seeds in water until they crack. You run a high risk of root rot when you do that.
Soaking seeds in water should be done for no longer than 24 hours and in the refrigerator. The point of soaking cannabis seeds in cold water is to simulate winter which causes the husk of the cannabis seed to crack more readily.
I soak my cannabis seeds for 24 hours in a shot glass of distilled or reverse osmosised water in the fridge then take em' to the papertowel method until germination occurs. From there I transplant the sproutlings into my growing medium of choice.
Good point; I would expect a crack within 24 hours. Simply probing, have you experienced root rot using the soaking method? Or known firsthand those who have?
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ThriceKing
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Re: Germination masterminds, please consider... [Re: ThriceKing]
#722583 - 03/21/14 11:57 PM (10 years, 10 days ago) |
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I submit for your consideration. Seed Soaking
Stratification does involve chilling cycles, yes. And while I agree some "winter" simulation is a technique, I think of soaking as simply permeating the hull with moisture to trigger the quickening of germination. Scarification is also used I hear, lightly sanding a portion of the hull to let moisture through, which mimics natural, harsh conditions.
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ThriceKing
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Re: Germination masterminds, please consider... [Re: ThriceKing]
#722585 - 03/22/14 12:00 AM (10 years, 10 days ago) |
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I wonder if we should tell that guy a bunch of pot growers are reading and appreciating his work..
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Hawksresurrection
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Re: Germination masterminds, please consider... [Re: ThriceKing]
#722586 - 03/22/14 12:01 AM (10 years, 10 days ago) |
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All this is good and well....but if you aren't having issues with germination, this isn't necessary.
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Mr. Wilson
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Re: Germination masterminds, please consider... [Re: ThriceKing]
#722587 - 03/22/14 12:03 AM (10 years, 10 days ago) |
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yup yup
I did my passionflower seeds like that (scarifying)
man that's a pretty flower
and a tasty fruit
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vinsue
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Re: Germination masterminds, please consider... [Re: Hawksresurrection]
#722594 - 03/22/14 08:22 AM (10 years, 10 days ago) |
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hawksapprentice said: Wet paper towel is the way to go. But when it comes down to it, if they are going to germinate, the will. Don't fret so much.
Pretty much this. That reminds me, I have to go find my seed stash and see if they're still viable... . . .
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Re: Germination masterminds, please consider... [Re: vinsue]
#725147 - 04/08/14 09:46 PM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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Here is the method I use: http://www.robsplants.com/seed/baggy.php
A refinement of the paper towel method. Under my magnifier, paper towels have a lot of loose fibers that potentially could intertwine with roots. Coffee filters are much smoother material and last for months without breaking down, useful for long and extra long germinating seeds.
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