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Antarctic Sea Ice Extent Breaks All-Time Record
    #694554 - 11/19/13 04:42 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Antarctic Sea Ice Extent Breaks All-Time Record

Despite the overwhelming number of commercials, educational institutions and global organizations that have been warning humanity about the melting of sea ice in the Arctic, things aren’t always as they are made to seem. This may sound hard to believe especially considering ‘global warming’ has been dominating human perception for years. Arctic ice extent makes up 10 percent of the world’s ice extent, it’s this area that is used as one ‘proof’ to suggest that global warming is accelerating.(16) Antarctic ice extent, on the other hand, makes up 90 percent of the world’s ice extent.(16) The worlds ice extent doesn’t really seem to be melting. Antarctic sea ice extent is currently at an all time high, and has many scientists scratching their heads. (1)(17) We are supposed to be experiencing significant global warming, so why is the ice growing and not melting? The Antarctic has even recently broke the all time record set for ice extent in recorded satellite history.(17)

Please keep in mind that if you doubt global warming, and the current explanations for climate change you are not alone. That is touched upon later in this article so please read before you comment. This article is just presenting information.


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Re: Antarctic Sea Ice Extent Breaks All-Time Record [Re: niteowl]
    #694560 - 11/19/13 05:12 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Thanks for posting.


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Re: Antarctic Sea Ice Extent Breaks All-Time Record [Re: Sham87]
    #694561 - 11/19/13 05:15 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

:hatsoff:


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Re: Antarctic Sea Ice Extent Breaks All-Time Record [Re: niteowl]
    #694608 - 11/19/13 10:56 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I like this, because science.

I know it's getting hotter, but now we just need to learn how to use this phenomena to keep the coasts from getting submerged.


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Re: Antarctic Sea Ice Extent Breaks All-Time Record [Re: Thebooedocksaint]
    #694620 - 11/20/13 12:41 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

More rocks to smoke.

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Re: Antarctic Sea Ice Extent Breaks All-Time Record [Re: niteowl]
    #694634 - 11/20/13 08:39 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Interesting. Funny how people can watch a video of a melting glacier and that easily believe the whole is doomed. On the other hand though, my main beef with articles like this is not that they aren't true, it's that people take them the wrong way!

Sure, global warming may be a hoax, the earth goes through climate changes naturally and yadda yadda. BUT, does that mean we should all stop caring about pollution and continue to trash the earth? HELL FUCKING NO. Pollution is pollution no matter what, and we can't continue to live like we are just because the ice caps aren't melting. We are still polluting waterways, destroying habitats and killing off species on a daily basis.

Sorry for the rant, but I do actually have to deal with people who get all smug when they learn global warming isn't true and think they can just continue to do whatever the hell they want with no repercussion. Rednecks around here pride themselves on dirtying the air, even though children in this area are now born with ridiculously high asthma rates and other similar problems.

So respect your mother :earth:, K?

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Re: Antarctic Sea Ice Extent Breaks All-Time Record [Re: Mycophile]
    #694637 - 11/20/13 08:45 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

:facepalm:

I don't think that there is anyone that believes that polluting the planet is a good thing.

but this belief that humans are causing global warming
is and always has been a BULLSHIT concept to scare people





just like the concept of god


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Re: Antarctic Sea Ice Extent Breaks All-Time Record [Re: niteowl]
    #694646 - 11/20/13 09:05 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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:facepalm:

I don't think that there is anyone that believes that polluting the planet is a good thing.




Ohhh believe me, they exist. Sad, but true.

I know global warming is fake, I agreed with it. My point is it's irrelevant to even think about because we need to change regardless.

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Re: Antarctic Sea Ice Extent Breaks All-Time Record [Re: Mycophile]
    #694656 - 11/20/13 10:15 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Idk if I would say global warming is FAKE..  It seems more like global warming is happening naturally and our destructive pollution is only accelerating the process, at least thats how Id imagine it.

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Re: Antarctic Sea Ice Extent Breaks All-Time Record [Re: PoloDown]
    #694659 - 11/20/13 10:26 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

He's talking about human based global warming.

We've known the planet has been warming since the last ice age :flowstone:


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Re: Antarctic Sea Ice Extent Breaks All-Time Record [Re: niteowl]
    #694661 - 11/20/13 11:01 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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"is and always has been a BULLSHIT concept to scare people"



CO2 being a greenhouse gas isn't really possible to argue again.

Trust me we're helping, global warming is also certain since permanent surface ice isn't normal for the planet (we are still in an ice age technically)

And it's certain we are helping, the CO2 leaving the ocean is also making it worse. The thing is obviously there are global systems that cool us back down though. Perhaps what we are seeing is one of the things we couldn't be aware of until it was observed. Remember, ALL of our scientific data is unfortunately confined to what observations we have made in (mostly) the last two centuries. The fact that the best hypothesis didn't explain all phenomena is a non-issue.

There are always auxiliary hypotheses we might not be testing that are false though.


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Re: Antarctic Sea Ice Extent Breaks All-Time Record [Re: Thebooedocksaint]
    #694662 - 11/20/13 11:16 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

:facepalm:


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Re: Antarctic Sea Ice Extent Breaks All-Time Record [Re: niteowl]
    #694664 - 11/20/13 11:28 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I'm sorry the scientists haven't discovered enough in the last couple of hundred years to satisfy you, I'm so glad we have top notch scientists like you to help the search for answers! :dazedandconfused:


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Re: Antarctic Sea Ice Extent Breaks All-Time Record [Re: Thebooedocksaint]
    #694665 - 11/20/13 11:32 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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I'm sorry the scientists haven't discovered enough in the last couple of hundred years to satisfy you, I'm so glad we have top notch scientists like you to help the search for answers! :dazedandconfused:


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Re: Antarctic Sea Ice Extent Breaks All-Time Record [Re: niteowl]
    #694669 - 11/20/13 11:43 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Thanks for posting.


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Re: Antarctic Sea Ice Extent Breaks All-Time Record [Re: Thebooedocksaint]
    #694674 - 11/20/13 12:14 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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I'm sorry the scientists haven't discovered enough in the last couple of hundred years to satisfy you, I'm so glad we have top notch scientists like you to help the search for answers! :dazedandconfused:



It's not my fault you only listen to a small minority of scientists :shrug:


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Re: Antarctic Sea Ice Extent Breaks All-Time Record [Re: niteowl]
    #694679 - 11/20/13 01:46 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Quote:

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I'm sorry the scientists haven't discovered enough in the last couple of hundred years to satisfy you, I'm so glad we have top notch scientists like you to help the search for answers! :dazedandconfused:



It's not my fault you only listen to a small minority of scientists :shrug:



:lol:

Prove it bro, because every scientist I've met doesn't agree with you.

You should read on the philosophy of science, there is always under-determination of the current date with regards to Falsification and Confirmation. There will always be debate, but our data suggest that what we do should be causing global warming.


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Re: Antarctic Sea Ice Extent Breaks All-Time Record [Re: Thebooedocksaint]
    #694690 - 11/20/13 03:04 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I have read far more on this topic than most
and the only 'scientists' making this claim of human based G.W.
are the ones tied to the IPCC

It's a purely political move to give rise to a new tax code.


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Re: Antarctic Sea Ice Extent Breaks All-Time Record [Re: Mycophile]
    #694691 - 11/20/13 03:11 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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BUT, does that mean we should all stop caring about pollution and continue to trash the earth? HELL FUCKING NO.



As George Carlin once said "The planet is fine...the people are fucked."
All this damage we have caused to the earth will eventually go away after we are gone and the earth regenerates itself.

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Re: Antarctic Sea Ice Extent Breaks All-Time Record [Re: niteowl]
    #694693 - 11/20/13 03:26 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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I have read far more on this topic than most
and the only 'scientists' making this claim of human based G.W.
are the ones tied to the IPCC

It's a purely political move to give rise to a new tax code.



And all the chemistry/physics I know that supports that idea is all made up too right?

:tinfoil:


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Re: Antarctic Sea Ice Extent Breaks All-Time Record [Re: Thebooedocksaint]
    #694694 - 11/20/13 03:28 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

(Also go figure scientists who believe in global warming are members of an organization related to climate change).


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Re: Antarctic Sea Ice Extent Breaks All-Time Record [Re: Thebooedocksaint]
    #694696 - 11/20/13 03:30 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

They probably just eat up the drivel the ICPP puts out.

Ask anyone closely tied to the weather and they will tell you that the ICPP is full of shit.


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Re: Antarctic Sea Ice Extent Breaks All-Time Record [Re: niteowl]
    #694697 - 11/20/13 03:31 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

The ICPP was put together to prove global warming

not the other way around :imslow:


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Re: Antarctic Sea Ice Extent Breaks All-Time Record [Re: niteowl]
    #694705 - 11/20/13 04:00 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

You're pretty damn full of yourself. :facepalm:

I'll remember people like you while I'm teaching these poor children about atmospheric chemistry and molecular absorption/transmission.

I can't wait until there are more boarding schools to get children away from poisonous anti-science adults like you.


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Re: Antarctic Sea Ice Extent Breaks All-Time Record [Re: Thebooedocksaint]
    #694707 - 11/20/13 04:04 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Protip: it happening naturally doesn't mean mankind isn't helping.

You're such a pleb brah.


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Re: Antarctic Sea Ice Extent Breaks All-Time Record [Re: Thebooedocksaint]
    #694708 - 11/20/13 04:04 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Annnnnnd now I ignore you, thanks for the 20 posts pedobear.


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Re: Antarctic Sea Ice Extent Breaks All-Time Record [Re: Thebooedocksaint]
    #694711 - 11/20/13 04:07 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

:ilold:

At the anti-science comment

I'm just anti-adulterated science like the shit used to propose that people are responsible for the current climate situation

utter bullshit



and tards like you eat that shit up without looking into the assumption

it 'sounds feasible' so it must be true....look that guy had on a lab coat....he must be telling the truth :flowstone: :facepalm:


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Re: Antarctic Sea Ice Extent Breaks All-Time Record [Re: niteowl]
    #694713 - 11/20/13 04:19 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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:ilold:

At the anti-science comment

I'm just anti-adulterated science like the shit used to propose that people are responsible for the current climate situation

utter bullshit



and tards like you eat that shit up without looking into the assumption

it 'sounds feasible' so it must be true....look that guy had on a lab coat....he must be telling the truth :flowstone: :facepalm:



Did I say we caused it? I said we helped cause it, and CO2 IS a greenhouse gas.

That john coleman guy is a crackpot. You facepalmed me after I just stated the fact that we are leaving an ice age, thus the period of warming.

All you anti-global warming plebs assume every climate scientist must not believe widely known facts like periods of warming followed by periods of cooling.


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Re: Antarctic Sea Ice Extent Breaks All-Time Record [Re: Thebooedocksaint]
    #694719 - 11/20/13 05:13 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

And all the 'evidence' on humanity's effect on this system has been exaggerated for political gain



..... why can't you see this :confused:


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Re: Antarctic Sea Ice Extent Breaks All-Time Record [Re: niteowl]
    #694720 - 11/20/13 05:14 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

and I never said co2 wasn't a green house gas


but h2o is a better green house gas than co2 so your argument is moot


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Re: Antarctic Sea Ice Extent Breaks All-Time Record [Re: niteowl]
    #694721 - 11/20/13 05:17 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Until you learn that CO2 interacts with wavelengths of light that H2O doesn't.


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Re: Antarctic Sea Ice Extent Breaks All-Time Record [Re: Thebooedocksaint]
    #694724 - 11/20/13 05:24 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

:whatever:

the idea that humanity is effecting this system is a feasible one

but the evidence proving this idea is simply not there

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Re: Antarctic Sea Ice Extent Breaks All-Time Record [Re: niteowl]
    #694725 - 11/20/13 05:27 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)



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Re: Antarctic Sea Ice Extent Breaks All-Time Record [Re: niteowl]
    #694726 - 11/20/13 05:32 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Here is one that may suit you a bit better .....



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Re: Antarctic Sea Ice Extent Breaks All-Time Record [Re: niteowl]
    #694727 - 11/20/13 05:32 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I smell bullshit. :shrug:


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Re: Antarctic Sea Ice Extent Breaks All-Time Record [Re: Thebooedocksaint]
    #694729 - 11/20/13 05:42 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Until you learn that CO2 interacts with wavelengths of light that H2O doesn't.



3 to waters 8


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Re: Antarctic Sea Ice Extent Breaks All-Time Record [Re: Thebooedocksaint]
    #694731 - 11/20/13 05:43 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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I smell bullshit. :shrug:



You should, the ICPP (the founder of human based G.W.) is full of shit


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Re: Antarctic Sea Ice Extent Breaks All-Time Record [Re: niteowl]
    #694733 - 11/20/13 05:48 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

30,000 scientists trying to de-bunk the Global Warming Hoax

that's more than made the claim in the first place

and your sticking by a few hundred people with an agenda :facepalm:


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Re: Antarctic Sea Ice Extent Breaks All-Time Record [Re: niteowl]
    #694765 - 11/20/13 10:05 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Quote:

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Until you learn that CO2 interacts with wavelengths of light that H2O doesn't.



3 to waters 8


try again



the fuck did you even just say?


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Re: Antarctic Sea Ice Extent Breaks All-Time Record [Re: Thebooedocksaint]
    #694769 - 11/20/13 10:15 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

co2 interacts with 3 wave lengths of light vs waters 8 wave lengths

so water is 3 times more reactive to light than co2 .... sorry


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Re: Antarctic Sea Ice Extent Breaks All-Time Record [Re: niteowl] * 1
    #694800 - 11/21/13 09:55 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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co2 interacts with 3 wave lengths of light vs waters 8 wave lengths

so water is 3 times more reactive to light than co2 .... sorry



:lol:

The question isn't "H2O OR CO2" Both are there, and yea H2O overall does more. However CO2 interacts with wavelengths that H2O doesn't, therefore increasing CO2 concentration will cause a greater overall interaction.

Do you even science scrub? Because I science, I science err' day.


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Re: Antarctic Sea Ice Extent Breaks All-Time Record [Re: Thebooedocksaint]
    #694803 - 11/21/13 10:28 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

:facepalm:

Yea, your beyond reach

you're so deep in the G.W. religion that your no different that a  Westboro Baptist member


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Re: Antarctic Sea Ice Extent Breaks All-Time Record [Re: niteowl]
    #694807 - 11/21/13 11:02 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

:andyistic:

I don't get how I'm beyond reach: If you have two gases in two isolated systems, yes the one with the most interaction will win (provided there is light of that wavelength in the system). Give two gases within the same system, then they will compliment one another.

You're just a pleb who wants to sound smart, and in doing so just made yourself out to be a fool who believes conspiracies more than widely accepted fact.

Any claim that more scientists oppose anthropogenic climate change than support it isn't only ridiculous, but also false.

The reason I can't argue against you is because some fucked up value system in your head makes you want to believe a conspiracy theory, that the IPCC is rigging everything, instead of the widely accepted scientific theory. If I press you for sources for anything you have said in this thread I guarantee you are false, and for clarification some crackpot trying to make a name for himself (with little support from the scientific community) does not count as proof.

Now take your ignorance and eat a bushel full of peach pits.


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Re: Antarctic Sea Ice Extent Breaks All-Time Record [Re: Thebooedocksaint]
    #694809 - 11/21/13 11:08 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: Antarctic Sea Ice Extent Breaks All-Time Record [Re: Thebooedocksaint]
    #694811 - 11/21/13 11:10 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_opinion_on_climate_change

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surveys_of_scientists%27_views_on_climate_change


Science has made some immense mistakes, but also, lives have been ruined because people DID NOT HEED warnings from science.

I want to begin with some background to make my point:

Case 1
50 years ago, people were told consuming saturated fat and cholesterol will cause heart disease - which turned out to be so wrong it ruined lives. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_Countries_Study

Some scientists fake their data. In the case of Ancel Keye's data, now there are still the american heart and cholesterol associations that don't know what else to do, except to keep fighting what they believe is the good cause against science. So misinformation is still perpetuated, despite overwhelming evidence. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Framingham_Heart_Study

Case 2
It wasn't until 20 years after Alice Stewart discovered x-raying pregnant women can cause cancer in the children (it was a clinical trial), that hospitals actually stopped doing it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alice_Stewart This is sick and wrong at best.

So to wrap up the point I want to make here:

There are some scientists that fake their own data, and some of these folks have caused immense trouble - peer reviewing the the growth of the science community has minimized this error. However, even recently a famous Dutch professor was found to have faked all of his data. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diederik_Stapel

Then again, if we flat out ignore data - we just believe it isn't true - this ALSO causes immense damage!

So the conclude my point, we cannot ignore data that show relationships if many scientists are finding the same data in independent experiments.


With all of this in mind:

It's very easy to see why some scientists today will fake their data in favor of global warming - because it's soo believable now that no one will check their data collection.


Lot's of people agree on this and this has been criticized. So I think it's obvious we will have some scientists who are lazy and just bandwagon with this theory and make data up to match it.

**I am prepared to defend wikipedia as an encyclopedia that is no worse that the Britannica.

But if you think a little more deeply about what this means look at the articles I posted, you will see the point of the news article and youtube video are controversial and a stretch at best - the people who authored both of those sources knew it would be controversial , which attracts views - Fox News is infamous for this I believe (which you shared.)


You will see from a statistical standpoint, it's not possible for global warming to be made up.

think about this: The reason people slip through the cracks making up data that agrees with global warming is because it's not controvertial to agree with the theory.

So people who get caught doing this make everyone else look bad.

It would require an extraordinary secret collaboration of hundreds of thousands of people, and the motivation for this conspiracy for everyone involved is still vague I think.

Most people don't get into science to lie to others.

tbh Niteowl, it just looks like you read some recent biased news article and then confirmed your own biases by finding a video on youtube that agrees with it, and this is how you adopted your opinion on what the motivations behind a certain scientific theory are.

It makes no sense.


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Re: Antarctic Sea Ice Extent Breaks All-Time Record [Re: TomCollins]
    #694817 - 11/21/13 11:24 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I believe we call that "The Problem with Confirmation."

Have a link!

The fact is nothing is proven, I can't even deductively prove that what I'm seeing at this very moment is real. We all have to make pragmatic choices about what we do believe or not. This means that different values can heavily bias what choice one considers to be pragmatic.

Personally I think the pragmatic choice is to prepare for the possibility that has harms associated with it, and if we're wrong so be it.

Let us have e be the evidence that we see, and Hi denote possible Hypotheses. With the probability of e given a H let us have 1 be that there is an anthropogenic effect on weather, and 2 simply be that there is not one. One would assume that the models we use (that are mostly accurate) would provide probabilities much like this (as our current models account for anthropogenic effects).

pr(e|H1)=.9
pr(e|H2)=.01

There are sample numbers, but it's not like you can ever have real numbers with equations that would involve as many variables as climate models do. Regardless I would say the fact that our current climate models, which when adjusted showed that the increased ice cap is from increased wind strength, would show that pr(e|H1)>pr(e|H2)


And combined with the fact that my value system includes a heavy desire to avoid catastrophic climate change that may or may not end life as we know it, I side with the more likely bet.


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Re: Antarctic Sea Ice Extent Breaks All-Time Record [Re: TomCollins]
    #694818 - 11/21/13 11:26 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

All the 'evidence proving' human based G.W. is bullshit, so why believe the theory?


It sounds good so lets believe it.....

NOT HOW SCIENCE WORKS.....SORRY!

Every time anyone seriously looks at any of the evidence FOR HBGW it's always been skewed to prove the theory = B.S.

Just like the B.S. on the dangers of cannabis back in the early 1900's

It was P.C. to demonize cannabis with bogus 'scientific papers' back then

This is no different.

co2 is not harmful nor a toxin.

any that we add to the system is easily assimilated by the system

co2 is food for plants for crying out loud

and you've been confused into thinking it's somehow poisonous

:doublefacepalm:











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Re: Antarctic Sea Ice Extent Breaks All-Time Record [Re: niteowl]
    #694832 - 11/21/13 12:22 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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All the 'evidence proving' human based G.W. is bullshit, so why believe the theory?




Theories are not theories if they are proven. Gravity is theory. :shrug:


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Re: Antarctic Sea Ice Extent Breaks All-Time Record [Re: TomCollins]
    #694833 - 11/21/13 12:32 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

:rolleyes:


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Re: Antarctic Sea Ice Extent Breaks All-Time Record [Re: TomCollins]
    #694834 - 11/21/13 12:32 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

The simple fact of the matter is, the international scientific opinion on the matter is as follows:

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.... Earth's climate system is unequivocally warming, and it is extremely likely (at least 95% probability) that humans are causing most of it through activities that increase concentrations of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere, such as deforestation and burning fossil fuels.



This opinion is not at all limited to the IPCC.

This is from one of the links I provided earlier about the scientific opinion on climate change or G.W. as you refer to it.


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Re: Antarctic Sea Ice Extent Breaks All-Time Record [Re: TomCollins]
    #694836 - 11/21/13 12:41 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

More pretentious chest thumping to garner more funding :shrug:


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Re: Antarctic Sea Ice Extent Breaks All-Time Record [Re: niteowl] * 1
    #694842 - 11/21/13 01:00 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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co2 interacts with 3 wave lengths of light vs waters 8 wave lengths

so water is 3 times more reactive to light than co2 .... sorry




Holy fuck this is the most retarded thing I've ever read on the internet. And remember the internet is a place where people sew fake vaginas into stuffed animals.  This is literally the most retarded thing.

You have NO fucking clue what you're talking about. You spout random shit like this (which is clearly just a regurgitated talking point that you heard some other uneducated hillbilly say) and you have absolutely no idea what it means.  :blahblah: "3 wavelengths vs 8 wavelengths"  Jesus H Christ. Electromagnetic radiation wavelengths are along a graduated continuum. There's no hardset NUMBER OF WAVELENGTHS.
What you MEANT to say is that water has a higher absorbance and reradiance coefficient than CO2 across the infrared spectrum (which, just so you know is a band of light comprising ALL wavelengths from 800 to 16,000 nm).  The part that's super fucking stupid is that this actually supports the point you were trying to make, but because you made the assertion with the scientific aptitude of a 3rd grader now we'll never know. H2O is absolutely a more potent greenhouse gas than CO2, as is Methane, and fuck me, the most potent is Sodium Hexafluoride. That doesn't mean that our contribution of CO2 to the atmosphere is null and void however. I'm baffled at how you can't see that correlation.

And just for the record, it's about a 99.8% ratio of scientists who think global warming has at least a minor anthropogenic component. It's not really a debate anymore, except from people like you who post random slanted articles from biased sources (seriously, you didn't actually think that what you posted counts as a source, right?).


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Re: Antarctic Sea Ice Extent Breaks All-Time Record [Re: niteowl]
    #694843 - 11/21/13 01:04 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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More pretentious chest thumping to garner more funding :shrug:



Not really. More like a reason to save on gas, take your bike and earn a year or two onto your life. Plant a tree.

And if anything, this "pretentious chest thumping" as you call it is going to garner more funding for climate science and research, which evidently is in need of progression and development - especially if we're actually going to be dealing with the very serious ramifications of climate change caused by us in the future.

I say funding climate research is our best bet of survival at this point if the stability of our planet truly is at stake, which according to most climate scientists, as I've pointed out, is in fact the case.

There is nothing to back up what your saying.


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Re: Antarctic Sea Ice Extent Breaks All-Time Record [Re: niteowl]
    #694943 - 11/22/13 05:24 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

It's different ice, it's not the same. The ice covers more area, but it's thinner and less dense. There is actually less total ice. It's like if your dealer gave you a big bag of buds and you think oh cool what a deal but then you get home and they are all fluffy and rotten inside. This "record" ice is all fluffy and rotten inside.

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