Part 1 Alright I am going to keep the OP pretty short and simple. I been smoking cannabis for about 5 years now. I have bipolar type 1 as well as other medical issues and mj has really helped me, especially as a supplement to my other medications..

The problem: Getting it is so inconsistent, you get it from so many people, it could be laced, the prices are STUPID (CFL 50 for 1/8th, I know west side feels me). So basically I'm getting tired of all this and am finally saying f it lets give growing another shot.

Experience: I have had one successful grow involving two auto sour diseal plants. I know some people have some hate for autos but I enjoyed them as a beginner attempt.

I have plenty of experienced growers who can give me plenty of helpful tips and advice. I also have the Indoor/Outdoor Medical Grower's Bible which is VERY informative and is what mainly helped me in the my first op.

What's the plan: A small hydroponic set up for about 3-4 plants using a 2x2x4 mylar grow tent, 2 (eventually 3) 100 watt cfl blasters (Two 6500k and 1 2700K, coco canna, peat moss cube starters, coco coir as substrate, 3 gallon size buckets, well water from 200 ft deep.

They will be hand watered their nutrients in their nutrient-less neutral coco coir substrate. I'll have them on an 18/6 time schedule, and once they are the size I want them to be (Will also implement LST) I will switch on my 2700 K light and put the timer to 12/12 to induce flowering. I'll also start adding brown sugar into their water, I hear that helps yield in my cannabis bible book.

Strains working with: 1. Purple Thai  2. Hawaiian  3. *Unknown*-Local Dro    4. Decent Mids (To experiment on 

I am also posting on shroomery but I figured it'd be a good idea to start a log here.

My most recent update is that I took some of the cracked/broken seeds that I received from my batch (purple thai) and put them all in a cleaned pill bottle container and put some water in to germinate. After about 2-3 days I drained it and put as many possibly viable seeds into one peat moss cube (Didn't want to waste cubes). Here is the result as of Day 2 after their planting




I just ordered my nutes/light which was all I was waiting on before going into full swing. Will update more as things happen
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10-12-13 Update

First off thanks for moving me where I need to be, you can tell I don't post here much haha, though it's nice to still see some familiar faces .

I read though the sudden amount of posts (Thanks you guys for contributing to my log). And it seems to be another light fight lol.. And my stance on HPS/HIDS in comparison to CFL is represented by:

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No question HID's are better, but they are more expensive, and generate a lot more heat. In a 2x2x4 tent heat is a concern especially if your not or can't air cool the light.

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I am using the CFL's because I don't plan to have a huge monster plant...maybe two decent size ones and the rest smaller.. I am going more towards a sea of green..Also with the mylar tent and 95%+ reflection rate, I'm confident three-four bright 100 watt CFL's will get what I'm looking for. The two plants I posted previously were grown from CFL's (Alot shittier ones too). I'll review some of the ones posted. But I still got to save up for a fan with a carbon filter!...and maybe just a regular fan!! I have a space heater in there with just the fan fuction on and the door open just to keep it at 80...I can't imagine having a light that is even higher in heat output...and that is why I use CFL. I understand there may some who'd insist to use something else...but this is what I can afford and what I have available to me so sit back and see how a indoor grow-op can survive on a budget!

Anyways my 2nd light arrives the 16th, also a holder for them will arive the 21st (Will help me place the light closer to them to give them more light). By that time they'll be wanting some more light anyways. This 2nd one should be enough to get me through a while, though I'll know they'll be demanding more light. It'll be around that point I'll be making decisions on how high to keep them (While using LST).

Germination rate for the Purple Thai's have been perfect! I just thinned out the heard today and transplanted a few sprouts on hopes they'd survive. No hawaiian has sprouted yet...still holding out on one cube that might show promise. One of the unknown cubes sprouted. And all four of my bag seed mids sprouted. The purple thai is what I'll mainly be working with.

Right now they're all on a 12/8 timer. I squirt them down if they appear dry with a 8 fluid oz solution with 4 ml of step 1 of canna coco (Nitrogen fert basically). They have likened to that very much. The next step is waiting until they've outgrown their greenhouse dome to softly place them in a canna coco filled self watering pot! Will keep you all posted .

Also planted some jalapenos, sleepy grass, hbwr, and piper a. Got me a little garden growing [^_^].

*will update with pictures shortly*

1. My small family . I took off the plastic cover to the green house get a better shot of what I have.

2. Here are the Purple Thais! Great germination right? Straight seed to peat moss. I sprayed/mini fed the sprouts before taking pictures so I know not to drown them . I usually wait until the pellets start looking a little dry. They're growing great!



3. Annnnd here are the mids awakening from their slumber . The middle part with nothing growing is the part with the hawaiians which I suspect might be dead except for 1 and a few other miscellaneous strains, the one on the right aisle (inch seedling) is from an unknown local dro seed.



4. Here is what they're getting transplanted into , will simply water in their nutrients. I'll grab some shots of the "Self watering" pots too. And here is the light I use:


Another reason my focus is not all on lights is cause I need to also focus on getting one of these babies: Item Weight 17.4 pounds
Product Dimensions 20.3 x 14.9 x 11 inches
Item model number IF4CF412
Size Inline Fan -4" duct * Carbon Filter - 4 x 12
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October 22nd, 2013

Just updating to say I have thinned out the herd a little bit to make room in the tent. In pots I have 1 unknown dro, 1 Hawaiian, 1 Mid, and the rest Purple Thais .

I saw that they were well ready for a move so I took and put them in pots/cups with pure coco-coir broken down fiber. Still got plenty left over. I watered the pot a bit and mixed it around (It stores a decent amount of water in there!). I also watered the cubes with a food solution to help with the transition.

It may look more crowded now but it's easier to light them now and I'm sure they're getting a lot more direct light now. My holder came in today, unfortunately it didn't come with a stand...but I think I can rig something up . It's probably better like this for now the way the lights are while they're seedlings. It's when they get bigger I'll need to use my bulb holder purchase. Also still hoping to buy that 150 hps by November .

I'll be increasing my watering/food as needs be. Whenever the sub seems/feels try I'll water in with nutrients. I'm mainly using step 1 now to give them that N boost.

At this level I been dosing 16 fl oz H20/8 ml (4ml step 1/4 ml step 2) and spreading that among the plants (refilling and stopping when all seem sufficiently moist/wet).

I got a regular bigger fan blowing on them to help with the room's pretty closed circulation, it seems to be helping.

Oh I also found another local dro seed! I think I'll try and germinate that one and see if I can get another strain up and running

Also here's some pics of my Sleepy Grass, HBWR, and Jalapenos!!!
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Here you go! Was walking near by and looked at the fence and thought...that's one praying mantis looking wire...oh snap! haha

But anyways I taken some shots of them transplanted into their new 'self watering' pots. My CFL holder arrived not too long ago so I switched out the hanging set up to a rigged set up of a mic stand ghetto fied with half a fishing pole...to let me clamp on with my dual CFL holder (adjustable+on/off switch in the back). I can basically make the pots more compact in the tent while sweeping the small canopy with a wave of day light and moving like the direction of the sun . It makes things more convenient if anything and was cheap.

Also dropped the one seed I found in some water since last night from a local dro bud and awaiting the results to see if that is viable..


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10/31/13  1 MONTH HALLOWEEN UPDATE
Happy 1 Month Halloween Birthday!!!

These guys have obviously switched over into the veg stage and the biggest one (Purple Thai) Looks amazing! With the Hawaiian right behind it. The three plants that you see leaning have improved and are rising up towards the light so I'm not worried there (2 mids/1 PT).

Equipment status: I am awaiting for the arrival of my 150 watt internal ballast sun system by HTG supply. [^_^], I may also be getting at 175 MH but we'll see. The plants are doing well, I've had to bump them up their food a little bit since their leaves were starting to fade a little lighter which I've read is a sign to increase feeding. I been sticking with once a day and they seem to be doing fine with it .

I am also aiming at getting a Dual lumen/ph tester as well as some pH up/down to see how my water is.

Also getting a new strain in the mix xD I figured I'd just drop them in a little warm cup this time instead of straight planting them and see how that goes too. I saved the left over peat moss pellets and will do the same method of sprouting them, though this time I have more light as an advantage. I'll use the cfl's to raise the baby seedlings (I love how I can move it so simply) while the 150 hps I've heard from its previous owner

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So I feel completely confident light wise! [^_^]. Other then that just playing the waiting game and waiting for signs of sex so I can strangle the males lol. Enjoy the pics!


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11-04-13                  Light Update

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It's a internal ballast sun system by HTG supply
There product is my #1 fav for lighting
The unit is 13 lbs with the cord and fresh Trinidad's.

It has had 1 month use but otherwise new .

Also through in some pics of my middies, and their root system. Love these clear cups [xD]



I have the HID mainly shining on the right side while the cfl's concentrate more left.

Probably will bump up the feeding to 7ml step 1/7 ml step 2 in 25-28 FL oz h2o. Their root system is probably developed enough where it can start shooting off some more green now.

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I just wanted to log that I got a few things while I was out to try and correct my pH problem until my which was in the 7.5-8 range..

I have a bottle of ph up/down on its way but after testing my medium (7.5+) I figured I should get a few cheap quick fixes until it arrives. Feedback welcome, I know some of these have mixed reviews.

I'll be trying a new combo of

1 liter of high pH well water.

3.5-4ml Step 1/2 Canna Coco

1-2 tea spoons of dextrose (Now that they're in pre-flowering mode I figured it might help, though does nothing for pH)

1ml of White Distilled Vinegar (5% acidity).

1 table spoon of Epson Salt (A natural additive for magnesium and sulfur)

As for the four plants they're all developing their pre-flowers now and pistils. The hawaiian and remaining purple thai probably are the #1/#2 of the bunch. Now that I know they're all female I figured I'd flip the 12/12 switch once they've healed up a bit..

I also got some powdered rooting hormone to take clones with once they've grown a bit more from the 12/12 stretch .

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12/16/13

So it's been about a month since my last update. I had been struggling with finding a balance in my nutrients and had some toxicity going on. Also two of my plants turned out to be males so I had to kill them. My hawaiian is the last man...woman..standing at this point! Flowering strong nearing its 11th week (almost 3rd week of flowering). It's looking healthy and shooting out some strong branches. The FIM technique I used during its sick period seems to have paid off and it has produced some healthy leaves in its place. Sadly the fried plant you see in the other pot didn't fare we well and I will likely be cutting her down soon. Might experiment with boiling the roots and such to see if a I can make an herbal tea.

I have some noobies now as you see . I am experimenting with some soil, as you see this one mid plant is doing very well in it and I JUST transplanted it today, I also have 2 more "Purple thais" in soil and the rest in coco coir. As you can see there are some strange mutations as well as some nutrient issues with a couple. This time though I feel more confident in how to handle it.

Equipment update: I've added a REAL ph kit to my arsenal now, as well as overgrow's sea weed extract which seems to be working well.


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Part 2            01/04/14

It had some set backs and my original crop died due to some over watering/faults of my own. I was upset at first but now view it as a lesson and feel more comfortable/growing now. I am left with two 5-6 week old plants (One female mutant that I can't wait to share) and one middie that has turned into a pretty 1.5 ft female .

I ordered some seeds online from the U.K (The site will stay anonymous for obvious reasons).

G13 Labs Seeds Purple Haze
Feminized Cannabis Seeds - 05 seeds

Barneys Farm Seeds Pineapple Express AutoFlowering
Feminized Cannabis Seeds - 03 seeds

Dinafem Seeds Haze 2.0 AUTOFLOWERING
Feminized Cannabis Seeds - 01 seed

Auto Seeds Polar Express (1 Seed)
Feminized Cannabis Seeds - Pick 'n' Mix

FEMINIZED UFO #1 Delicious Seeds Cotton Candy  (1 seed)
FEMINIZED UFO #2 Delicious Seeds AUTO Northern Light Blue (1 seed)
FEMINIZED UFO #3 Reserva Privada Cole Train (1 seed)

I germinated them all (13 seeds) in separate moist paper towels and put them in my large plastic bag which I sprayed lightly with warm water. I left undisturbed for 2 days. Opened it up and had 100% germination rate . Nice long tap roots (longest was probably half an inch).

I got my egg cartons out and cut slits at the bottom and filled it up with some soil (Plan on transplanting to a soil/coco coir/verm/pea rock mix with some acidic epsom salt water mix to help with this magnesium deficiency I keep getting as well as help adjust the p.h of the medium.

I need to find a good soil probe, I just have the cheap green one and I'm not really confident how well it reads the moisture level..

Anyways I'll have pictures up soon .
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Jan 16th

So I am saving my dro seeds for when I've gotten some more experience on my belt but I have been throughly enjoying playing with all the bag seed I've saved up . The mids I get are decent. Seedy but good high. Well I started growing a middie around .50//.75 through my first attempt and this gal has just stuck with me . Very resilient, the leaves are beautiful and huge (bigger then my hand). I usually only need to water it once-twice a week. I just started flowering it Jan 6th and started out at 18 inches. After a week and a half it is showing some pretty hairs all over and it has grown 10 inches easily. If it keeps up this rate I'll have to whip out the string and LST it away from the HID.

Now I know this isn't the best thing to do with new seedies..but I stupidly broke one of my cfl lights so I have to keep them in the tent...but the tent is set to 12/12. From what I understand they will live...but it's not healthy for them. I am hoping that my main mother will finish up so I can switch it to a veg timing for my seeds/clones (1 from a mutant/2 from the mother mid plant). It's kind of freeing just practicing with bag seed because there's not as much hurt if you mess up and still get great dank in the process . You can start to smell it now if you put your face in the tent. It has the middy smell but more aromatic and slightly fruity (Lemon maybe.. something juicy/sweet).

I figured I'd finish january keeping the same schedule. You might notice the bottom leaves in some pictures are paling and showing a N deficiency (As the plant is switching from pumping energy to the buds now). I used a nitrogen solution with a drop or two of dawn as a sticker and sprayed only the affected leaves. We'll see if that helps any. I am happy with the feeding schedule that I have made but may to tweak it SLIGHTLY to adjust for the flowering.

Anyways I just wanted to fill you guys in, a lot has happened and new things going on in my life so simply said I'm taking on the world and hoping the best of it lol.

My jalapenos are fruiting outside too [^_^], also got some Hot Thai/Sw pepper going. Even two Morning Glories (Love the look of the flower and never grown them before).

Will keep you all posted as things develop and change pace. Any general tips/feedback about the flowering process are welcome. If I remember correctly you stop all nute feedings (water only) 2 weeks (or a month?) before harvest and also one should flush (Water only?) a couple weeks before harvest. I'll refer to my book but if anyone happens to know feel free to post .

Also made my first thc butter extraction from the plant matter I saved up.



P.S The florida medical marijuana inititiave achieved enough signatures to get on the 2014 ballot (If the court rules in favor of the wording). Good news for me [^_^].
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Yes I've heard about those butane experiences...

coconut oil and this coming soon

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2-10

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I was relieved to see it , annnnnddd now little over two weeks later we have:

2/05, My experiment with a female half of a herme (From a purple thai), and seedlings that were exposed only to 12/12 (I know it sucks for them). Out of the many seeds I germintaed successfully, only a handful made it to the vegetative round while looking pretty healthy! I was happy with the outcome though. The little purple thai clone is so funny, I noticed it started flowering when it was only an inch and a half tall .

MOVING FORWARD to 2-10

Let's see how these babies grew up . Flowering time!



Starting to smell nice up in here . Smells like sweet medicine to me . I figured I would give it this month on its current feeding regimen. After two months of flowering (and around) will use my scope to keep an eye on the trichs to harvest at the right time. Already picked a few small lower branches as clones from it.

It seems indeed the ca/mg was the issue yet again. After the flush (With appropriate nute) as well as an extra feeding of CAliMagic the dead parts of the plant stopped progressing and the leaves began getting their green back. The buds also noticeably have thickened substantially. It seems to like all the nutrients and sugars it is receiving.

After a couple months I'll just flush with ph'd balanced h20 and probably some dextrose. Then just give it a water diet before it is harvested .



Shows the LST that I've been doing. A simple string (not too tight!) with the weight of the light water bottle bends the plant where it needs to be. Very flexible! Just be careful not to snap it .



Lastly here is the youngings! Growing up themselves . Some healthy looking sprouts considering their light schedule. We'll see how they take. As you can see more pictures of the the purple thai flowering clone (My first clone too!). It's doing really well.

Looking forward to having more exciting updates as they come. One in particular I'd like to mention!

As some of you might know now, the Florida Supreme Court ruled IN FAVOR of the ballot initiative's wording so it is clear for the 2014 ballot!! Big things happening everywhere...love it. It needs 60% to pass and polls are showing as high as 82% and as low as 68% +/-. Looking good
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Will update today . My main baby is soon to be ready for harvest (March 20th is week 10 of flower) and is looking/smelling great! The trichs are mostly clear/starting to cloud up, with 1-2 amber hairs..still a bit early.

My two other plants are doing amazing! This time they won't have any burnt leaves off haha, so a lot more yield.

Right now the question at hand for me is what stage of harvest would be best for me, being Bipolar Type 1.

Obviously CBD is the best for me based on research, but that's determined by genetics. I do, however, have control of THC/CBN levels.  http://azmedtest.com/educate/cannabinoids/

There are other references that make the same assumptions. I definitely want some CBN but I am having a hard time determing what the best ratio is for THC:CBN  25:75  50:50  75:25. Leaning more towards 50:50. Input?

Pictures soon . Also as a note I will be shutting down the thread just to cover my internet foot prints as I continue to treat myself. Thank you all, especially you conspiracy, for holding my hand down this new journey . Now I need to get my hands on some CBD rich strain seeds!

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Here you go!28 Days Later (Pun intended)! The bud is thickening up great and you can see the trichs everywhere with the naked eye. I wish I knew how to make some good cbd and/or thc extract. Anyways the set date of harvest is the 22nd. Placing this plant (16/8; 12-12 flipped), at 4 months from seed to harvest. Compared to the two beautiful younger plants you now see (same mid baggie strain), their transition from veg to flowering was a lot quickier/smoother. Looking back the plants that survied under the pure 12/12 (And were female) took only 1 month 22 days to reach into the flowering stage...interesting. The smell is very sweet, and clean, but with a hint of fruityness.

My two newest plants are looking relatively really good! One of them is curling/drooping slightly, after checking the ph/moisture I realized both new plants had a very high pH. Just as well I am about to transplant them into the container size that my current flowering plant is in and give them a nice pH balanced flush .

Also as said I think after I finish harvesting and complete the cycle for this current flowering plant I will close out the thread here and in the shroomery for privacy sake (Will save record of it).

Without futher text here's the update!


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good job Blackd0ve420 beautiful plants man and don't delete the thread it pretty awesome ,but on to updated as long as we get to see the ending fruits of your labor I'll be one happy stoner.

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Ask and you'll receive . I'll keep the thread up. Probably just won't update it as much. It's a helpful log. Anyways the wet weight was 4.5 oz and it lost 74% of its weight so it came out to little over a quarter oz. Little less then what I was hoping but the stuff is very fluffy/dense with 90% sativa high. Very uplifting, relaxing, doesn't cloud my head or couch lock me (very helpful for me personally). I probably could have let it mature a little more but I had a run in with grey mold and had to harvest quick and cut out the tiny hold it was getting in a few buds. I am currently re-working so the humidity level is below 50% from now on.

I'll update some time soon with pictures of the other two flowering mamas that look AMAZING. So will definitely expect a better load then what I got after this poor plant was subject to my novice hand . Feeling more confident at least.

I also having sprouting Northern Lights Blue Auto, Cotton Candy Auto (delicious seeds), Cole Train, Chiesel, and some other bag seed .

The little purple thai clone has turned out to be a hermi, I separated it from the others, I noticed 3 seeds that were almost mature in their pods. Will be an interesting grow lol. Will probably turn the clone into a cookie once I get the seeds (for experiment sake).

Anyways here's my first REAL harvest! Excuse my noob manicure work, still trying to perfect it. Plan to trim a bit more after it has dried/cured a bit longer.

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I agree with donkey, CFL's are fine for veg, but flowering is much better with a HPS, if you only doing a couple plants you could get away with a 150w or 250w HPS, there are some cheap ones out there like this sun systems 150w, check it out... sun system 150w hps

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You are completely and totally wrong. You are making the mistake everyone makes and comparing like wattages. You can't compare a 200 watt cfl to a 200watt HID. YOu have to compare a 75watt HID to a 200watt cfl in order to it to even be close. Remember in order to get the light that a 200watt HID produces you need close to 1000watts of cfl if not more. Now if you used enough cfl light to equal the light being put out by 200watts of HID it would be much hotter with cfl light then with HID.

CFL lights turn much much more of their energy into heat then HID lights do. You have to compare equal amounts of light then which system more efficiently gets you that light.

To put it simply if you were running HID light instead of cfl light you'd be using 75% less energy to get the same amount of light you're getting now.

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First off thanks for moving me where I need to be, you can tell I don't post here much haha, though it's nice to still see some familiar faces .

I read though the sudden amount of posts (Thanks you guys for contributing to my log). And it seems to be another light fight lol.. And my stance on HPS/HIDS in comparison to CFL is represented by:

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No question HID's are better, but they are more expensive, and generate a lot more heat. In a 2x2x4 tent heat is a concern especially if your not or can't air cool the light.

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I am using the CFL's because I don't plan to have a huge monster plant...maybe two decent size ones and the rest smaller.. I am going more towards a sea of green..Also with the mylar tent and 95%+ reflection rate, I'm confident three-four bright 100 watt CFL's will get what I'm looking for. The two plants I posted previously were grown from CFL's (Alot shittier ones too). I'll review some of the ones posted. But I still got to save up for a fan with a carbon filter!...and maybe just a regular fan!! I have a space heater in there with just the fan fuction on and the door open just to keep it at 80...I can't imagine having a light that is even higher in heat output...and that is why I use CFL. I understand there may some who'd insist to use something else...but this is what I can afford and what I have available to me so sit back and see how a indoor grow-op can survive on a budget!

Anyways my 2nd light arrives the 16th, also a holder for them will arive the 21st (Will help me place the light closer to them to give them more light). By that time they'll be wanting some more light anyways. This 2nd one should be enough to get me through a while, though I'll know they'll be demanding more light. It'll be around that point I'll be making decisions on how high to keep them (While using LST).

Germination rate for the Purple Thai's have been perfect! I just thinned out the heard today and transplanted a few sprouts on hopes they'd survive. No hawaiian has sprouted yet...still holding out on one cube that might show promise. One of the unknown cubes sprouted. And all four of my bag seed mids sprouted. The purple thai is what I'll mainly be working with.

Right now they're all on a 12/8 timer. I squirt them down if they appear dry with a 8 fluid oz solution with 4 ml of step 1 of canna coco (Nitrogen fert basically). They have likened to that very much. The next step is waiting until they've outgrown their greenhouse dome to softly place them in a canna coco filled self watering pot! Will keep you all posted .

Also planted some jalapenos, sleepy grass, hbwr, and piper a. Got me a little garden growing [^_^].

*will update with pictures shortly*

1. My small family . I took off the plastic cover to the green house get a better shot of what I have.

2. Here are the Purple Thais! Great germination right? Straight seed to peat moss. I sprayed/mini fed the sprouts before taking pictures so I know not to drown them . I usually wait until the pellets start looking a little dry. They're growing great! The super long one is the big sister out of all of them with about 2-3 day head start



3. Annnnd here are the mids awakening from their slumber . The middle part with nothing growing is the part with the hawaiians which I suspect might be dead except for 1 and a few other miscellaneous strains, the one on the right aisle (inch seedling) is from an unknown local dro seed.



4. Here is what they're getting transplanted into , will simply water in their nutrients. I'll grab some shots of the "Self watering" pots too. And here is the light I use:


Another reason my focus is not all on lights is cause I need to also focus on getting one of these babies: Item Weight 17.4 pounds
Product Dimensions 20.3 x 14.9 x 11 inches
Item model number IF4CF412
Size Inline Fan -4" duct * Carbon Filter - 4 x 12

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With the power your wasting on that cfl light I can do this with dixie cups.



I realize you don't need much. I'm not saying replace the 200 watt cfl with 200 watts of HID I'm saying replace it with 75 even 100 watts of HID and still get better growth. (way better growth to be honest)


If your happy with your setup then by all means keep doing what works for you. I've been under the lights since 1985 and have used tubes, cfl, and just about ever kind of light you can think of and since I'm a mod here it's my job to let you know when there is a more efficient way to do things

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I don't blame you for using a different source of light for all those plants...I only might be doing half of that if I'm lucky... you get the picture. How old are those btw? Just trying to gauge how long I'll have to veg them for.

And I would only consider getting a HPS if I had a better fan/ventilation system. The heat would kill them. This does look appealing, but I would only consider it after I address the temperature/ventilation issues..Otherwise I think cfl's will be enough for me (And might use this as a platform to show it )

Also no disrespect to any of you but I trust my Medical Marijuana grow bible and it has nothing bad to say about cfl's. They state themselves they're lower on heat and energy, but it does seem to appear HPS is better for higher quantity like the picture you posted..."bulk light". I probably will purchase a 100-150 HPS ballast like the one mentioned in place of a 2700k cfl for near the flowering stage. "Compact Fluorescent lamps can also be used to supplement the reddish-yellow spectrum from HP sodium lamps"-pg 200 Marijuana Horticulture Indoor/Outdoor Medical Grower's Bible. See?..Maybe we can get along after all


P.S.: While we're on the topic, since you are obviously knowledgeable about HPS I was wondering what your thoughts were on this thread?

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If it's this one it's also old but I know for a fact that it sure as hell doesn't print any false information like cfl lights running cooler then HID.

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Publication date: 3/28/2006
Edition number: 5
Pages: 486
Sales rank: 44,789.

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Although not as bright as HIDs they are available in Cool White and Warm White spectrums and generate little heat. CFL's are perfect for growers with a limited budget and a small space. They run cooler then HIDs and require minimal ventilation.

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I obviously keep this in consideration. The reason I planted so many seeds is because I wanted to increase my chances of success, or do a sea of green if I decide to do that instead...or do cuttings THEN do a sea of green...who knows, right now they're just babies we can plan their future later .

To summarize this is not me bashing you but simply taking up the CFL side of the argument, since no one else seems to care to besides wildbud420 (3.5 feet? Nice! Over half as tall as me..). They work fine, books, people, and articles say they work fine...yes HPS/HID have their advantages too which is why I will likely implement later down the line when it's needed nor do I say CFL's are better then any of them...but after re-reading all these quotes I posted again it seems that my use of them is not uncalled for.


P.S. If you want any pictures/page numbers of the book just let me know

Now to go check on my babies! [^_^]
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Also as an update to the seedlings everyone is doing great . The hawaiians I think weren't viable, none of them germinated except maybe one. One of the local unknown dro seeds is now a sturdy tall seedling now. The four bag seed mids are all successful/growing great.

The color on all the leaves are a nice growery.org green and showed impressive growth over the past day! Soon the plastic top will have to come off.

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If it's this one it's also old but I know for a fact that it sure as hell doesn't print any false information like cfl lights running cooler then HID.

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I don't even disagree with this and can understand why a HPS, HID would be useful for the flowering stage (which is what I posted earlier). However it appears that cfl's do just fine for the first half of a plant's growth cycle+cuttings.

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I think we all knew that 1st sentence. But again it mentions the low heating element of cfl's.

*With a picture of a similar looking CFL as I*:

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(So it seems even he uses CFLs...)

I see a lot of good things about cfl's. While I see you have an obvious inclination for HPS or HID to dismiss these facts from a well respected book (RECOMMENDED by HawksApprentice) that you call old/outdated.. (The info is still plenty relevant)+ the thread I posted+++all the successful grows I've seen with them.. then you're just exhibiting product bias which doesn't really make me trust your opinion if all it is is cfl bashing...this isn't meant to be hurtful or rude but just the simple truth..I have no doubts you've had great success as you've shown..but they're other ways to accomplish it is all I'm saying.


Now with all that out of the way I want to remind you that I think it is a good idea to have a HPS ballast 150 watt over head with the two cfl's supplementing the plants on the side. For now, if cuttings work great with cfl's then my seedlings and good part of my vegetative growth will do just fine. Close to the flowering stage it seems CFLs lose their luster.

Also, I do look at the lumens rather then wattages..I bought my cfl pretty cheap and they produce 7500 lumens (verified by my book 7000-8000 lumens for 100 watt)..not to mention all the reflective light I get from my mylar too..

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I obviously keep this in consideration. The reason I planted so many seeds is because I wanted to increase my chances of success, or do a sea of green if I decide to do that instead...or do cuttings THEN do a sea of green...who knows, right now they're just babies we can plan their future later .

To summarize this is not me bashing you but simply taking up the CFL side of the argument, since no one else seems to care to besides wildbud420 (3.5 feet? Nice! Over half as tall as me..). They work fine, books, people, and articles say they work fine...yes HPS/HID have their advantages too which is why I will likely implement later down the line when it's needed nor do I say CFL's are better then any of them...but after re-reading all these quotes I posted again it seems that my use of them is not uncalled for.


P.S. If you want any pictures/page numbers of the book just let me know

Now to go check on my babies! [^_^]
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Also as an update to the seedlings everyone is doing great . The hawaiians I think weren't viable, none of them germinated except maybe one. One of the local unknown dro seeds is now a sturdy tall seedling now. The four bag seed mids are all successful/growing great.

The color on all the leaves are a nice growery.org green and showed impressive growth over the past day! Soon the plastic top will have to come off.

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Wasn't this a clue? YOu also realize that most people don't really want airy buds right?


So according to your book CFL lights are hotter unless you can show me just one example of otherwise. I'm not bashing them if the facts are the facts. There are more efficient bulbs period. That's why serious growers don't use them. They have better things to do then waste money on power that isn't being turned into light.

You may want to use a book from a guy who has been growing since 1969


Here is the site that goes with the book so if some information gets outdated it will be shown here or if new information comes out.
http://mjgrowers.com/home.htm

and before you go and throw HawksApprentice at me again you may want to pick a grower who has at least 50% of the time growing I've had and last you may also want to pick a grower who doesn't agree with me on cfl lights.

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If your gonna quote the book then go to page 172 then find me one example of a cfl light putting out as many lumens per watt as any of the bulbs on this page. You can start at page 209. The best is 15000 lumens per 200 watt bulb.  (Btw 7500x2=15,000 so I guess I got the best ).


and yes he states that the life of the cfl is longer that is until you use it in growing situations esp when used with other HID bulbs. Page 211 first paragraph.

I never said you can't grow with cfl lights I'm saying for the fuck knows how many times HID lights do it more efficiently. As far as cfl lights being cooler your book also proves that wrong if you knew how to read it.

Now lets see if I can explain this so you can under stand it.

If you have 2 bulbs that run at 200 watts each and one puts out more light then the other what is the other doing with energy that isn't being turned into light? Comon now you can do this there is only one answer. It turns it into heat.

Now you have two grow rooms that need 28000 lumens each. One is using HID one is using CFL which is hotter? The room that runs 200 watts or the one that has to run 500 to get the same light?

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Wasn't this a clue? YOu also realize that most people don't really want airy buds right?


So according to your book CFL lights are hotter unless you can show me just one example of otherwise. I'm not bashing them if the facts are the facts. There are more efficient bulbs period. That's why serious growers don't use them. They have better things to do then waste money on power that isn't being turned into light.

You may want to use a book from a guy who has been growing since 1969


Here is the site that goes with the book so if some information gets outdated it will be shown here or if new information comes out.
http://mjgrowers.com/home.htm

and before you go and throw HawksApprentice at me again you may want to pick a grower who has at least 50% of the time growing I've had and last you may also want to pick a grower who doesn't agree with me on cfl lights.

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Dude how did you become a Trusted Cultivator and moderator on this site  if you all you do is try and belittle anyone that has a difference of opinion then you? We could go all week swapping facts back and forth. You're even bashing on hawks? Damn man that's harsh, he helped me a lot on my first go and is a nice guy.

I really have nothing more to say to you man you're not being helpful and everyone can see that. I would like to request you not post in MY grow log if this is how you're going to behave. I do not need help from you and you can sit back and see for yourself that this grow op will do just fine and will accomplish what I set out for it.
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Also, I'm not getting baited into a fact war with you. I'm not stupid I know you have more experience then me, but you're obviously using it just to boost your ego here on these forums and not to actually help. So as much as facts go this round I'm not entertaining you with a further defense of what is already known..also you're obviously not even reading what I say all the way through...


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Dude I said CFL's work just fine UNTIL FLOWERING in which case I agree with you CFL's aren't enough to flower unless you have a redic amount of them and even said I would probably plan to get a 150 watt HPS.....why are you even arguing with me I'm not even going against what you said...

Also do you even remember the reason I got CFL's in the first place???? I am working with a VERY small space with reflective surfaces that will make that small space even hotter and I don't have proper fanning/ventilation yet so yes I will pick CFL's because they are obviously cooler...let's see you try put HID/HPS 2 inches from your plants and see how quickly they burn up and die...

Also every forum I've ever been in has said they run cooler, my book says they run cooler, and in fact YOU'RE the only person I've ever heard in my entire life that has even tried to take up the argument that CFL's run hotter...
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On that note my 2nd CFL arrived today and my stand will come for them soon . Will eventually get a 150 hps when funds are available. Also got my 420 scope today for down the road

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No actually it doesn't I already showed you where it says otherwise.

Whats funny is you can't give one example of a cfl bulb that can convert power to light better then a HID.


Does 200watts of cfl run cooler then 200watts of HID well duh of course it does nobody said otherwise but 200 watts of cfl and 200watts of HID are not made for the same job. Would I put a 75 watt close to the plants sure no problem.

You read in forums that cfl lights are cooler? Show me just one that isn't comparing like wattages just 1.




Why do I keep up with this simple.
When somebody is giving false information I have to point it out and tell people to read the damn back of the box the bulb came in or to at the very least learn to figure out what it takes for each bulb to produce the same amount of light lumens.

Here is how your suppose to figure light for your space
Now you have 4x4 foot space and a 200 watt cfl and a 200 watt HID which is gonna light the space better? (this is a example I realize you don't have this size space)
So as you know a HID will light the space better right? So now that person decides to add more cfl light to the space to equal the light from the 200watt HID. So now you have two spaces with equal light in them. 1 space has a 200watt HID and 1 space has 700 watts of cfl's which space is hotter? Do you understand now why people make the fuckup? I'm gonna guess that you can figure out that 700watts of cfl light is gonna run hotter then 200 of HID light.

Do you understand how the lights work now? Do you get why both Hawks and myself pull our hair out with this subject? and yes Hawks may have advised you on your grow but I know for a fact he did not tell you to use cfl light esp when he knows about LED lights which run just as cool and are way more efficient. In fact I'm dying to see his reaction to somebody saying he recommended them.

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I would have a 200 watt cfls and a 150 watt hps...you fail to believe that one puts out more heat then the other so there's no reasoning with you there...but you do have to know that more light equals denser buds so investing in 350 watts of light for all the lumens I'll ever need...yeah..I'm still liking this
Now leave troll.


LASTLY: No matter who's right or wrong how about you let the bipolar patient grow his plants the way he wants to? That is the purpose of a log isn't it? To record the results of a project and what was used over a period of time?

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If you want to start an argument fast, then visit an Internet Grow Forum or Chat Room and mention CFLs vs HID Lights. (HID Lights = High Intensity Discharge Lights)
Let me just tell you a fact. HID Lights (High Intensity Discharge Lights) are much more efficient than CFLs (Compact Fluorescent Lights) and they grow FASTER and penetrate a large plant much better than CFLs do. HID lights grow tighter denser buds too. That is a fact no one should argue. HIDs win easily.

Wait a minute. What costs more to purchase? What requires a fancier Reflector and costs more to hang? What cost more to use and adds more to the electric bill? What cost more to handle the HEAT? What do I have to VENT? What will VENTING cost?

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Wait a minute. What costs more to purchase? What requires a fancier Reflector and costs more to hang? What cost more to use and adds more to the electric bill? What cost more to handle the HEAT? What do I have to VENT? What will VENTING cost?

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I have been getting endless shit on letting people slide on shit from admins, fellow mods and members here. You had to make it personal in public so today I do my job.


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And what did I falsely accuse you of?! Think about how you're speaking to a self admitted person with mental disorders (From 1st page) and you think I'm being the immature one? You were bashing a different person with similar beliefs as me earlier in my thread..then proceed to the OP when you're done with him? How is that mature...

Also you slightly bashed hawk by making it seem he wasn't as a credible source or seemed to imply that what he did recommending me that book was a mistake and should listen to you instead. Otherwise I wouldn't say you bashed on him hard or anything I just didn't care for you said..

However, as regard to people 'bashing' you are doing it with your assertions you won't let it go....some people like to grow with cfl's too....just drop it. I get you have opinions that you strongly uphold...you're a TC I would hope you are sure of what you say... All I'm saying there are multiple ways to grow a cannabis plant... even you can't deny that. Before you even start getting to what's the best/most efficient etc... let me just stop you.....just drop it.....this log was supposed to be about my log to get my medicine for legit disorders that I have to take many pills for, and am growing in a state where it is 5 years if caught with ONE plant!...

Now ban me if you want, I got great ratings on shroomery with my same SN and have an active thread on the same log over there as well. If I am left to only that log fine by me, probably for the best. If you want to decide to drop the topic all together and simply watch my log...maybe we'd have less of this.

I'm done talking about this. As OP I'm only going to be focusing on my log for now on. Thread jack be gone.

Happy 1 Month Halloween Birthday!!!

These guys have obviously switched over into the veg stage and the biggest one (Purple Thai) Looks amazing! With the Hawaiian right behind it. The three plants that you see leaning have improved and are rising up towards the light so I'm not worried there (2 mids/1 PT).

Equipment status: I am awaiting for the arrival of my 150 watt internal ballast sun system by HTG supply. [^_^], I may also be getting at 175 MH but we'll see. The plants are doing well, I've had to bump them up their food a little bit since their leaves were starting to fade a little lighter which I've read is a sign to increase feeding. I been sticking with once a day and they seem to be doing fine with it .

I am also aiming at getting a Dual lumen/ph tester as well as some pH up/down to see how my water is.

Also getting a new strain in the mix xD I figured I'd just drop them in a little warm cup this time instead of straight planting them and see how that goes too. I saved the left over peat moss pellets and will do the same method of sprouting them, though this time I have more light as an advantage. I'll use the cfl's to raise the baby seedlings (I love how I can move it so simply) while the 150 hps I've heard from its previous owner

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So I feel completely confident light wise! [^_^]. Other then that just playing the waiting game and waiting for signs of sex so I can strangle the males lol. Enjoy the pics!

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They look like they're ready to really take off!
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Thanks! For sure they are! It's amazing how much they've grown in such a short time! And definitely looking forward to the HPS, I think the cfl's worked great for the seedlings, young veg, clones since I like to be active in the process I didn't mind moving the lights around with my ghetto setup . I will still use them to supplement but the canopy is getting bigger now so definitely need some high penetrating light to hang from up top. Eventually I'll probably use the cfl's to nurse the new baby afghan seedlings .

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Thanks bud . They're actually recovering from that lol, they been leaning up towards the light now and all are almost 100%. I expect the HPS to arrive this upcoming week. My afghan seeds should have germinated by tomorrow in which case I"ll plant some in some peat moss and whip out the mini GH again.

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It's a internal ballast sun system by HTG supply
There product is my #1 fav for lighting
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It has had 1 month use but otherwise new .

Also through in some pics of my middies, and their root system. Love these clear cups [xD]



I have the HID mainly shining on the right side while the cfl's concentrate more left.

Probably will bump up the feeding to 7ml step 1/7 ml step 2 in 25-28 FL oz h2o. Their root system is probably developed enough where it can start shooting off some more green now.

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I'd try to keep the HID centered, and use the CFLs for either bottom/side lighting or to supplement the top lighting by having them over to the side, but still shining on the tops.

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I saw that chart before thanks for reminding me of it . I agree with you on the CFL's. I want the HID to start doing the heavy lifting now mainly and assign the cfl's the roles of touching up on spots around the tent and giving those areas a little extra boost (Since I can arrange the lights very close without burning the plant). Something manual I can have myself do to help with the waiting .

I have it centered but it tilts slightly, not a big deal. I just figured I'd aim it more to the right since I have my cfl's focusing on the seeds/other plants. I've found them useful to help correct leaning plants. Just tame them with the direction of the light .

Edit: Also according to the chart it doesn't seem I'll be getting much lumen efficiency with the distance it's at now (at least two feet)...do you think I should try and rig something to hang it lower? Or just let nature take its course? They been on a growth spurt as of late so I'm sure they'll grow into it..

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Thanks for the tip. I forgot it causes greening right? It's the first I saw how developed the root system was. Anyways I aired on the side of caution and wrapped the cups in some tinfoil

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Im worried about your nutes because I'm pretty sure vinegar isn't generally good for plants because it binds the nutes somehow. You might try using lemon or lime juice instead for a while until you can get pH down. Also, adding 1 TBSP MgSO4 per LITER of H20 will probably be pushing your EC levels WAY too high.

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I actually have a pH kit now and haven't used vinegar in a while. All phosphoric acid from here . Thanks for the tip I didn't know that about well water, I'll lay off the epsom sults probably then. 5 More days until week 4 of flowering it probably doesn't need it anyways.

Thanks for the post/support! I need to transplant a couple of my other plants into bigger containers, the roots are starting to pop out underneath.

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I actually have a pH kit now and haven't used vinegar in a while. All phosphoric acid from here . Thanks for the tip I didn't know that about well water, I'll lay off the epsom sults probably then. 5 More days until week 4 of flowering it probably doesn't need it anyways.

Thanks for the post/support! I need to transplant a couple of my other plants into bigger containers, the roots are starting to pop out underneath.

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