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Transplanting sprouts? first time with questions/ideasUPDATE *PICS*
    #661671 - 03/10/13 12:41 AM (6 years, 8 months ago)

Hello
I sucessufully started my grow with 8 seeds about a week ago and now I have 3 sprouts and they look just beautiful :grin:
Now I had read that they should countine to grow like this with proper care for the next 3-6 weeks before transplanting.
I was thinking about doing 2 transplants because I would like to grow some well established plants before flowering. So I was thinking after the significant amount of time to transplant into a pot that is about 2 gallons then continue to grow. Then transfer to a much larger pot like 8-9 gallon pot then grow and then shift to flowering stage after the plant is mature enough.
Is 2 transfers a good idea? Or should I just go from the seedling to a large pot?
Any input is much appricated!


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Re: Transplanting sprouts? first time with questions/ideas [Re: nnn-yan]
    #661672 - 03/10/13 12:44 AM (6 years, 8 months ago)

****soil idea****
1 part potting soil. 1/2 part coco coir . 1/2 part vermiculite ?


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Re: Transplanting sprouts? first time with questions/ideas [Re: nnn-yan]
    #661696 - 03/10/13 02:09 PM (6 years, 8 months ago)

Well there are a lot of variables here man.  Are you growing indoors or outdoors?  And if indoors, how much room do you have?


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Re: Transplanting sprouts? first time with questions/ideas [Re: Hawksresurrection]
    #661756 - 03/11/13 07:25 AM (6 years, 8 months ago)

Its indoor. I basicly have a whole room, the room is 9x9 and the ceiling is 7ft.


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Re: Transplanting sprouts? first time with questions/ideas [Re: nnn-yan]
    #661758 - 03/11/13 07:51 AM (6 years, 8 months ago)

this is the method i want to use because of ceiling height,

These are my little girls:grin: (8 days old)


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Re: Transplanting sprouts? first time with questions/ideas [Re: nnn-yan]
    #661797 - 03/11/13 02:37 PM (6 years, 8 months ago)

I think those babies really want a LOT more light ....


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Re: Transplanting sprouts? first time with questions/ideas [Re: zzzzzz]
    #661798 - 03/11/13 02:58 PM (6 years, 8 months ago)

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I think those babies really want a LOT more light ....



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Re: Transplanting sprouts? first time with questions/ideas [Re: Deadkndys420]
    #661799 - 03/11/13 03:44 PM (6 years, 8 months ago)

I start seeds in six packs using light warrior seed starter mix. Sometimes many seeds per cell. After two weeks I pot up to either ocean forest or my own compost. Usually this will be a quart container. Then a few weeks later into a one gallon container where the plant finishes. I'm looking for signs of the first roots showing under the container from the drain holes. It's time to transplant. I don't like to be in a container that is too large because the soil takes too long to dry out. The soil needs to dry out between watering to pull fresh air into the soil so that the roots can breathe. Not stay dry. Just get dry. I like to water at that just got dry point.


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Re: Transplanting sprouts? first time with questions/ideas [Re: HipsterDoofus] * 1
    #661800 - 03/11/13 04:31 PM (6 years, 8 months ago)

Stepping up when transplanting is always a good idea.  So 2 transplants would be just fine man.


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Re: Transplanting sprouts? first time with questions/ideas [Re: Hawksresurrection] * 1
    #661864 - 03/12/13 01:21 AM (6 years, 8 months ago)

Remember folks these rules do not apply to autoflower strains. When the plant has such a limited life span you can't afford for the plant to take a week or more to bounce back from being transplanted. (if done right there is no bounce back time but we all know shit can happen :crazy2: ) So to get the best results from autos they should be planted in their permanent container right from the get go.


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Re: Transplanting sprouts? first time with questions/ideas [Re: Magash]
    #661902 - 03/12/13 02:54 AM (6 years, 8 months ago)

Was this an auto flower grow?


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Re: Transplanting sprouts? first time with questions/ideas [Re: Hawksresurrection]
    #661913 - 03/12/13 07:22 AM (6 years, 8 months ago)

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Was this an auto flower grow?




Nah, your answers were on the money, I just put it for people that might be growing them and think the rules transfer over. :omgawesome:


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Re: Transplanting sprouts? first time with questions/ideas [Re: Magash]
    #661914 - 03/12/13 07:58 AM (6 years, 8 months ago)

Ya not an auto flower.  But more light? Idk if I can haha the girls get 20 hours of light ever day with air circulation. I'm using a full spectrum 6500k light to simulate day light. Should the light be more than 20hrs?
Thanks for the great info guys. This is my first grow and could use all the tips I can get.


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Re: Transplanting sprouts? first time with questions/ideas [Re: nnn-yan]
    #661916 - 03/12/13 08:28 AM (6 years, 8 months ago)

keep my lights on 24/7 in veg.  everyone grows different man but we all have a common goal!

This is my diesel maybe 3 weeks old have to look I keep her tight till flower


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Re: Transplanting sprouts? first time with questions/ideas [Re: nnn-yan]
    #661962 - 03/12/13 01:55 PM (6 years, 8 months ago)

But don't they need some sleep? Haha


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Re: Transplanting sprouts? first time with questions/ideas [Re: nnn-yan]
    #661963 - 03/12/13 02:00 PM (6 years, 8 months ago)

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But don't they need some sleep? Haha




personal preference, really


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Re: Transplanting sprouts? first time with questions/ideas [Re: nnn-yan]
    #661964 - 03/12/13 02:43 PM (6 years, 8 months ago)

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Ya not an auto flower.  But more light? Idk if I can haha the girls get 20 hours of light ever day with air circulation. I'm using a full spectrum 6500k light to simulate day light. Should the light be more than 20hrs?
Thanks for the great info guys. This is my first grow and could use all the tips I can get.




I think he ment brighter light not longer. That's what they look like they need anyway.


Here is some that got bright enough light.
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Re: Transplanting sprouts? first time with questions/ideas [Re: Magash]
    #662014 - 03/12/13 07:05 PM (6 years, 8 months ago)

So if 6500k isn't good enough what is?


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Re: Transplanting sprouts? first time with questions/ideas [Re: nnn-yan]
    #662017 - 03/12/13 07:10 PM (6 years, 8 months ago)

6500k is the color spectrum

The amount of watts is what you're looking for.

And not "equivalent to " watts.


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Re: Transplanting sprouts? first time with questions/ideas [Re: Maestro]
    #662032 - 03/12/13 08:13 PM (6 years, 8 months ago)

You still haven't really given much info on what all is going on.  I'm guessing that you're using CFL's. 

How much are you wanting to get out of this?  Are you just wanting a few grams?  Is this just a trial run for expanding later?


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Re: Transplanting sprouts? first time with questions/ideas [Re: Hawksresurrection]
    #662053 - 03/12/13 09:35 PM (6 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah sorry total newbie. CFL? And like I said first time growing. I'd like to hope for a couple of oz out of 4 plants. And I want to grow very healthy nice rooted plants with plenty of potting space for growing large plants. And contine to harvest.


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Re: Transplanting sprouts? first time with questions/ideas [Re: nnn-yan]
    #662059 - 03/12/13 10:09 PM (6 years, 8 months ago)

Huh?  CFL means compact florescent. 


It's sounding like you've done little to no research into this man.


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Re: Transplanting sprouts? first time with questions/ideas [Re: Hawksresurrection]
    #662108 - 03/13/13 08:00 AM (6 years, 8 months ago)

I swear I've done my homework teacher! Haha I read 2 books on cultivation and a couple online guides. I'm preety sure I have a CFL like. I know its fluorescent. And its a small tubeular bulb. Just trying not to mess things up is all.


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Re: Transplanting sprouts? first time with questions/ideas [Re: Maestro]
    #662117 - 03/13/13 10:46 AM (6 years, 8 months ago)

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6500k is the color spectrum

The amount of watts is what you're looking for.

And not "equivalent to " watts.



So my bulb is 27watt... To me it seems to be working. But what watt should be better?


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Re: Transplanting sprouts? first time with questions/ideas [Re: nnn-yan]
    #662118 - 03/13/13 10:46 AM (6 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah, no. A couple books and articles is not enough at all. Sorry

CFLs are the small spiral bulbs that screw into a regular socket.

The long tubes are Flourecents


I tried going by books when I started as well, but I only got real answers once I started reading the main site here. Very brief, and if you have specific questions you can ask other growers. This shit is the shit yo.

Go to section after section. Start with lighting. It'll be a good read cause its packed with info, info that books either don't have, or take 20 pages to convene.


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Re: Transplanting sprouts? first time with questions/ideas [Re: Magash]
    #662123 - 03/13/13 11:00 AM (6 years, 8 months ago)

Here is some that got bright enough light.
;)




So how old are those?


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    #662125 - 03/13/13 12:05 PM (6 years, 8 months ago)

The point is they're sturdy not stretchy


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Re: Transplanting sprouts? first time with questions/ideas [Re: Maestro]
    #662146 - 03/13/13 01:34 PM (6 years, 8 months ago)

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The point is they're sturdy not stretchy


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Re: Transplanting sprouts? first time with questions/ideas [Re: nnn-yan]
    #662195 - 03/13/13 04:33 PM (6 years, 8 months ago)

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So my bulb is 27watt... To me it seems to be working. But what watt should be better?




150 Watt would be better or 250 watt way better or 400 watt much much better:)


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Re: Transplanting sprouts? first time with questions/ideas [Re: night train]
    #662196 - 03/13/13 04:57 PM (6 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah, 27 watts is nothing.  What books have you read?  If you have read anything decent, you would already know that amount of light wouldn't be adequate.


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Re: Transplanting sprouts? first time with questions/ideas [Re: Hawksresurrection]
    #662298 - 03/14/13 09:14 AM (6 years, 8 months ago)

Hey, Hawk, not to diss the OP, but "reading" and "learning" aren't necessarily correlated.  Maybe OP is trying to read and learn while stoned?  I know, for me, this doesn't work.

Just read 10 pages ... "WTF did I just read????"  :grin:


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Re: Transplanting sprouts? first time with questions/ideas [Re: zzzzzz]
    #662302 - 03/14/13 09:25 AM (6 years, 8 months ago)

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Hey, Hawk, not to diss the OP, but "reading" and "learning" aren't necessarily correlated.  Maybe OP is trying to read and learn while stoned?  I know, for me, this doesn't work.

Just read 10 pages ... "WTF did I just read????"  :grin:



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Re: Transplanting sprouts? first time with questions/ideas [Re: night train]
    #662359 - 03/14/13 07:01 PM (6 years, 8 months ago)

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150 Watt would be better or 250 watt way better or 400 watt much much better:)




Ok so I just got a 600watt HPS grow kit.  I read that 600watt is good shit hahaha please tell me that's correct info


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Re: Transplanting sprouts? first time with questions/ideas [Re: nnn-yan]
    #662362 - 03/14/13 07:14 PM (6 years, 8 months ago)

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Quote:

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150 Watt would be better or 250 watt way better or 400 watt much much better:)




Ok so I just got a 600watt HPS grow kit.  I read that 600watt is good shit hahaha please tell me that's correct info




Good deal Now how you dealing with Heat?


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Re: Transplanting sprouts? first time with questions/ideas [Re: budgrowerwannabe]
    #662368 - 03/14/13 08:28 PM (6 years, 8 months ago)

Well I have a fan keeping things cool. My guess is those 600watt bulbs get hot huh?
Right now the room in the basement is at 80F and the range is from 72-85F. So if heat becomes a problem any recommendations on how to keep the room cool.


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    #662371 - 03/14/13 08:49 PM (6 years, 8 months ago)

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Well I have a fan keeping things cool. My guess is those 600watt bulbs get hot huh?
Right now the room in the basement is at 80F and the range is from 72-85F. So if heat becomes a problem any recommendations on how to keep the room cool.


Just a lot of air exchange Pull cool air in hot air out easy Right? Notreally You will see


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Re: Transplanting sprouts? first time with questions/ideas [Re: budgrowerwannabe]
    #662378 - 03/14/13 10:48 PM (6 years, 8 months ago)

Fans? Lots of fans?


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Re: Transplanting sprouts? first time with questions/ideas [Re: nnn-yan]
    #662382 - 03/14/13 11:00 PM (6 years, 8 months ago)

Yes I really dont know becuse you gave us on info.


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Re: Transplanting sprouts? first time with questions/ideas [Re: budgrowerwannabe]
    #662386 - 03/15/13 12:40 AM (6 years, 8 months ago)

Well are you using an air cooled hood to help keep temps down?  are you going to have an ac just in case your temps are getting too high?  how much space are you growing in?


You should do some dry runs to before you start everything to make sure things all the parameters stay in check


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Re: Transplanting sprouts? first time with questions/ideas [Re: nnn-yan]
    #662399 - 03/15/13 07:25 AM (6 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah I have a really nice AC portable machine. It can pump out air as cool as 50-60F but ya I wish I had this stuff set up prior to my seedlings but since that's not how it turned out I gotta get this stuff right. I have very limited seeds and don't wanna screw up my sprouts now that their here

Also I take some pictures of my set up so we can all be on the same page haha :gethigh:


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    #662400 - 03/15/13 07:40 AM (6 years, 8 months ago)

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Yes I really dont know because you gave us on info.



Yea man sorry I was really High last night. Your AC will work good for cool air intake!
Plus I found a pic of one of my plant you might be interested in.



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Re: Transplanting sprouts? first time with questions/ideas [Re: budgrowerwannabe]
    #662551 - 03/16/13 09:09 PM (6 years, 8 months ago)

An air cooled hood is a *much* more efficient method of getting
heat out of a tent than any sort of AC. (power-wise)

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Re: Transplanting sprouts? first time with questions/ideas [Re: Javadog]
    #662883 - 03/19/13 11:52 PM (6 years, 8 months ago)

I know its been a few days but here is my space to grow with..




this is the new set up for growing with my new HPS 600watt light :grin:
my little girls are 15 days old.





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Re: Transplanting sprouts? first time with questions/ideas [Re: nnn-yan]
    #662884 - 03/19/13 11:58 PM (6 years, 8 months ago)

Poor babies are light starved.


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Re: Transplanting sprouts? first time with questions/ideas [Re: zzzzzz]
    #662902 - 03/20/13 12:44 PM (6 years, 8 months ago)

I know I know :sad: please tell me they will regain their strength now that I got the good light....
Or should I put like a support stick to hold the girls up?
How old should plants be before give 20-20-20 food so they don't get burned?


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Re: Transplanting sprouts? first time with questions/ideas [Re: nnn-yan]
    #662923 - 03/20/13 06:09 PM (6 years, 8 months ago)

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I know I know :sad: please tell me they will regain their strength now that I got the good light....




Probably.  Don't put it too close for a while.  Plants that aren't used to a lot of light can react badly to a lot of light all of a sudden

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You can if it makes you feel better.  When it gets past seedling stage you can rebury some of the stem and it will root.

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How old should plants be before give 20-20-20 food so they don't get burned?




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Re: Transplanting sprouts? first time with questions/ideas [Re: zzzzzz]
    #662935 - 03/20/13 08:40 PM (6 years, 7 months ago)

Well righ now my plants are 4ft from the light. And the light it on 24/7, will this shock em?


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    #662938 - 03/20/13 08:58 PM (6 years, 7 months ago)

Thats far man? Can you get it closer without burning them?Put a therm. by the plant and check it once in awhile to make sure there not getting to hot!


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    #662941 - 03/20/13 09:20 PM (6 years, 7 months ago)

I don't know if this is true of cannabis but I've had plants that I have to bring indoors during winter and, if I put them right out in the direct sun it will burn them, not because of heat, but they can't handle the UV or light intensity.  I think maybe it has to do with chlorophyll concentration declining like you losing a tan ....

But, I'd say 2 feet ought to be safe.

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    #662942 - 03/20/13 09:26 PM (6 years, 7 months ago)

4 feet is perfect for those guys, Later on when they're bigger and stronger then they can take it closer. 


What's the humidity like in there  Is that soil as dry as it looks?  The base of the stems look like their dying.


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    #662943 - 03/20/13 09:26 PM (6 years, 7 months ago)

Oh and yer not going to geed those things for a long time.


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    #662951 - 03/20/13 09:51 PM (6 years, 7 months ago)

I just watered today from the bottom and it soaked for 24hours and soaked up the water. Should I water more? I know water from the top can cause fungus. Which I already have:mad2:


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    #662952 - 03/20/13 09:56 PM (6 years, 7 months ago)

Always water from the top man.  If you have adequate ventilation and fans and don't keep the soil soggy, you don't have to worry about it.


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    #662961 - 03/20/13 10:25 PM (6 years, 7 months ago)

Should I not water from the bottom?


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    #662962 - 03/20/13 10:31 PM (6 years, 7 months ago)

Why would you?  Like I said, I do NOT water from the bottom.


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    #662978 - 03/20/13 11:29 PM (6 years, 7 months ago)

How would you do that ? Like through the drainage holes?


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    #662981 - 03/20/13 11:33 PM (6 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah, just sit the pot in standing waters.


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    #662992 - 03/21/13 12:11 AM (6 years, 7 months ago)

Ok ok so do both?


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    #663005 - 03/21/13 03:31 AM (6 years, 7 months ago)

No!  Water from the top like every other person out there.


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    #663017 - 03/21/13 08:46 AM (6 years, 7 months ago)

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No!  Water from the top like every other person out there.


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    #663035 - 03/21/13 11:31 AM (6 years, 7 months ago)

Haha ok :laugh: just making sure.
Thanks for being so patient guys I know I'm a total noob.
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    #663043 - 03/21/13 12:10 PM (6 years, 7 months ago)

I think there is a use for tray watering.  In fact, this is one of the hydroponic methods, called "wicking".  Simplified, the soil media itself can act as the wick.

http://www.hannainst.com/hydroponics/hydroponic-wick-system.html

The usefulness comes about when you have allowed the media to get too dry and "channel" water.  This leads to underwatering whereby the waterer thinks the vessel is fully watered because of visible runoff, but it isn't (and thus the "lift the pot" method of ascertaining complete watering).  Allowing your pot to sit in water will allow it to soak up the water gradually and fill in those missing dry spots. The caveat here is you don't want your plant to sit in its runoff due to high EC (salts).  There's a fellow on here or another forum that completely submerses his pots until they are saturated (naturally, he got accolades for this maverick method). 

I've done this for years with house plants.  And it works.

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    #663053 - 03/21/13 12:54 PM (6 years, 7 months ago)

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I think there is a use for tray watering.  In fact, this is one of the hydroponic methods, called "wicking".  Simplified, the soil media itself can act as the wick.

http://www.hannainst.com/hydroponics/hydroponic-wick-system.html

The usefulness comes about when you have allowed the media to get too dry and "channel" water.  This leads to underwatering whereby the waterer thinks the vessel is fully watered because of visible runoff, but it isn't (and thus the "lift the pot" method of ascertaining complete watering).  Allowing your pot to sit in water will allow it to soak up the water gradually and fill in those missing dry spots. The caveat here is you don't want your plant to sit in its runoff due to high EC (salts).  There's a fellow on here or another forum that completely submerses his pots until they are saturated (naturally, he got accolades for this maverick method). 

I've done this for years with house plants.  And it works.:girlishjoy:

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    #663058 - 03/21/13 01:01 PM (6 years, 7 months ago)

I am aware of passive wicking systems. And soaking your pots to water them is nothing new, or maverick.  But it's also very unnecessary.  Any intelligent grower will, A. not let their plants get that dry, and B. not judge by run off. 


The amount I water is dependent on size of the container.  A certain size of container should be getting a minimum amount of water per feeding to guarantee soil saturation.


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    #663067 - 03/21/13 01:20 PM (6 years, 7 months ago)

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I am aware of passive wicking systems. And soaking your pots to water them is nothing new, or maverick.




Certainly not maverick if I'm aware of it.  But what does that say of it's utility?  I'm not recommending it as a regular watering method because it can cause salt buildup, especially if you don't empty the tray of remaining water.  But it certainly can be a useful technique.

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But it's also very unnecessary.




More specifically, does that equate to "inferior"?  Like I said above, it can be useful, no?

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Any intelligent grower will, A. not let their plants get that dry, and B. not judge by run off.




Excuse me, but "not judge" what, exactly, by run off?  Whether or not the plant is sufficiently watered?  And, lets face it, many of the people posting here are newbies and mistakes like letting the medium get too dry are all too common, no?  Shit happens.  So, I think, it is beneficial to know of such remedies, right?  Just like correcting nutrient problems ....
 
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The amount I water is dependent on size of the container.




Well, duh!  :wink:

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    #663095 - 03/21/13 04:30 PM (6 years, 7 months ago)

Whether it's watered sufficiently.  Just like they were saying in the link you posted. 



Unnecessary obviously does not equate to inferior.  It just means that it's not necessary.  In over 8 years of growing I have never had to use this method.  Can people use it?  Sure.  I just don't see the point,


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    #663097 - 03/21/13 04:36 PM (6 years, 7 months ago)

Just the point I made ... if your medium has over-dried, or is inferior in that regard (too clumpy).

Also, I've noticed that many people water the center of the bucket.  I've found I get more complete wetting if I water from the edges first and make sure that shrinkage of the soil from the container sides gets "swelled" and moistened before watering down the middle.  My buckets are also opaque so I can actually see the soil wetting down the sides.


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    #663103 - 03/21/13 04:45 PM (6 years, 7 months ago)

How exactly do salts build up from regular watering?


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    #663104 - 03/21/13 04:58 PM (6 years, 7 months ago)

They build up from feeding them fertilizer.


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    #663105 - 03/21/13 05:00 PM (6 years, 7 months ago)

So you're saying what he is purposing, is filling up a tub with fert solution, and soaking plants in it?
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    #663106 - 03/21/13 05:03 PM (6 years, 7 months ago)

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    #663107 - 03/21/13 05:07 PM (6 years, 7 months ago)

Well you could go with either plain water or fert solution.  He was just saying that's how he waters his plants.  That doesn't imply that does or doesn't add ferts.  It's just his way of watering.  So if he wanted to add them he could with that method.


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    #663110 - 03/21/13 05:45 PM (6 years, 7 months ago)

So you only use so much, and it all gets sucked in? O.0

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    #663118 - 03/21/13 07:52 PM (6 years, 7 months ago)

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    #663138 - 03/21/13 10:05 PM (6 years, 7 months ago)

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    #663374 - 03/24/13 11:30 AM (6 years, 7 months ago)

You have to assume that the run-off has poisonous by-products that
need to be flushed away to benefit the plant.


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    #663378 - 03/24/13 12:47 PM (6 years, 7 months ago)

Not with nutrient solution though lol
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    #663386 - 03/24/13 02:58 PM (6 years, 7 months ago)

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Not with nutrient solution though lol
Use water to wash out salts?



hey how do you flush and when?MaestroJust wondering how you do ?


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    #663473 - 03/25/13 12:31 PM (6 years, 7 months ago)

I take em to the bathroom one by one,  then flush with 4-5 gal ( depending how bad my back hurts by then lol). I try to do it gradually, but  the last gal I just pour in untill it's about to overflow.

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    #663552 - 03/25/13 08:53 PM (6 years, 7 months ago)

Hell yea thanks for the time. just more info for me and everyone along for the ride.


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    #663674 - 03/26/13 07:14 PM (6 years, 7 months ago)

Hey everyone!
i appreciate all the help.
heres the latest on my little girls.
they are 24 days old and recieveing 24hr light of HPS (600watt). at 85F with a humidifier and air circulation (fan)
I think they look so beautiful:bigweed: as compared to the last update, they are all standing by themselves and really growing fast.


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Well it's a typical presentation of nitrogen deficiency.  But getting it at such a young age is a little uncommon, what the substrate?


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Thoughts?




My thought is that, at twenty-something days, those plants are very small and not very healthy looking. 

My guess is not enough light (too far away) and too much water.

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<snip> what the substrate?




Also, what's the watering program?


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    #663684 - 03/26/13 08:33 PM (6 years, 7 months ago)

I would have to concur with "zzzzzzzzz". 


How often are you watering?  How much are you watering each time you water?  How close are the lights and what kind?  Sorry if you have already answered these questions, ut I'm not going to read through 5 pages to get them again.


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    #663696 - 03/26/13 09:07 PM (6 years, 7 months ago)

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    #663706 - 03/26/13 10:03 PM (6 years, 7 months ago)

I know there small for 24 days but as previously stated they didn't have proper light for about 14 days. The light is 45" away from the light and its a HPS (600watt). I water top side with a spray bottle with filtered water about every day. But not very much just enough to get absorbed Because my substrate is almost rock hard everyday. The substrate consists of potting soil and verm. pH 7.3. Should I transplate soon to large pots with a better substrate? I was thinking coco coir and potting soil and verm. ? Are they old enough for add plant foods? I have a 10-15-10 and 20-20-20.


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    #663707 - 03/26/13 10:23 PM (6 years, 7 months ago)

Woah.  Do NOT water your plants every day.  That does not promote healthy growth.  You need to water them THOROUGHLY when you water, not just getting it moist on top.  There is no way a plant that size should be needing to water every day.

The amount of light and distance from the plant is fine. 


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    #663708 - 03/26/13 11:04 PM (6 years, 7 months ago)

I'd pop those out of the containers and have a look at the roots.  My guess is they're not well developed from shallow watering.  That, or they're root-bound to all get-out.

A good opportunity to replant in fresh medium!

If you're uncomfortable with the idea, just imagine putting your hand/fingers over the top of the pot, covering all the soil, with the little bugger nested right between two fingers.  Pick it up, turn it over, and squeeze the pot just a little and the whole shebang should slide right out into your hand.

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Re: Transplanting sprouts? first time with questions/ideas [Re: zzzzzz]
    #663709 - 03/26/13 11:09 PM (6 years, 7 months ago)

Also I always mount dirt all the way to there first leaves . you should do that so they not to weak!


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Re: Transplanting sprouts? first time with questions/ideas [Re: budgrowerwannabe]
    #663711 - 03/26/13 11:43 PM (6 years, 7 months ago)

No no no no no.  There is absolutely NO way those are root bound.  No way in hell.  And those are too small to be transplanting.  The most I would do to the soil would be to gently squeeze the sides to break up the soil just a bit.  But I would not transplant so little.


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Re: Transplanting sprouts? first time with questions/ideas [Re: Hawksresurrection]
    #663712 - 03/27/13 12:04 AM (6 years, 7 months ago)

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No no no no no.  There is absolutely NO way those are root bound.  No way in hell.  And those are too small to be transplanting.  The most I would do to the soil would be to gently squeeze the sides to break up the soil just a bit.  But I would not transplant so little.



Ok so your say that the roots need more room to expand. So loosen up the soil by breaking it up? Obviously not too close to the roots. And how should I being water to make sure the whole medium is receiving water?


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Re: Transplanting sprouts? first time with questions/ideas [Re: nnn-yan]
    #663714 - 03/27/13 12:11 AM (6 years, 7 months ago)

Okay, wait for the soil to dry out.  That should be at LEAST 3-5 days with the size of your plants.  Then water it an ample amount.  This is going to depend on the size of your soil containers.  If it's a gallon, I would be watering at least a 1/3 to a 1/2 gallon.  And then letting it dry out sufficiently again.


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Re: Transplanting sprouts? first time with questions/ideas [Re: Hawksresurrection]
    #663715 - 03/27/13 12:22 AM (6 years, 7 months ago)

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No no no no no.  There is absolutely NO way those are root bound.  No way in hell.  And those are too small to be transplanting.  The most I would do to the soil would be to gently squeeze the sides to break up the soil just a bit.  But I would not transplant so little.




Yes, but they're over three weeks old.  Personally, I'd like to know what's going on in there.  You can't hurt 'em unless your daft. If you're careful, replanting isn't traumatic at all. 

I'm probably way out here but, Hawk, I have a hard time imagining 4 feet a good distance for the light, especially when the thing looks so light starved.  Then again I don't have lots of experience with HPS.


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Re: Transplanting sprouts? first time with questions/ideas [Re: zzzzzz]
    #663720 - 03/27/13 12:33 AM (6 years, 7 months ago)

It's a 600 watt man.  It's plenty close.  And like you said, you don't have experience with this type of setup.  I think that they've been over watered, not wanting for a lack a light. 


And it's doesn't matter if they're over three weeks old.  They AREN'T healthy and stable.  Transplanting would not do a whole lot if they haven't even set out a decent root system, and by the looks of them, they haven't.


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Re: Transplanting sprouts? first time with questions/ideas [Re: Hawksresurrection]
    #663729 - 03/27/13 01:46 AM (6 years, 7 months ago)

I'd still do it.  But that's my intrepid, curious nature.  Anyway, if you're willing to risk damaging delicate root hairs by cracking in paper towels and transplanting the sprout I can't imagine a careful inspection would hurt anything.  I do this kind of thing all the time with garden plants. 

If you dump that pot and it's root bound, you know what to do.  If the soil falls away in your hand and show wispy root development, the worst that can happen is you gently put it back. 

Whether or not it SHOULD be done or not is another matter ....


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Re: Transplanting sprouts? first time with questions/ideas [Re: zzzzzz]
    #663732 - 03/27/13 01:59 AM (6 years, 7 months ago)

And for someone who doesn't know what they're doing, I would recommend waiting until it's healthier.


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Re: Transplanting sprouts? first time with questions/ideas [Re: Hawksresurrection]
    #663748 - 03/27/13 07:30 AM (6 years, 7 months ago)

Well thx again for the info. Ill change up my watering cycle. I think ill wait on the transplant becuase I have work too damn hard to have these girls die on me just because of an early transplant.
Ill be sure to keep you all informed with the progress.
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Re: Transplanting sprouts? first time with questions/ideas [Re: nnn-yan]
    #664827 - 04/03/13 09:59 PM (6 years, 7 months ago)

UPDATED TRANSPLANT!!!
4/3/13
Today my girls are 1 month old and I heard them asking for a transplant, being that I can never say no to them they got what they wanted :bigweed:
Plant #1

Plant #2

Plant #3


My soil is:
1 Part Coco Coir
1 Part Potting Soil
1 Part Vermiculite.
pH @ 7.5 with lemon juice (because only ORGANIC for my babies!!!) :ganja:

Love to hear from you guys!
Thoughts, Comments, Suggestions, etc....
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Re: Transplanting sprouts? first time with questions/ideas [Re: nnn-yan]
    #664829 - 04/03/13 10:02 PM (6 years, 7 months ago)

Uh, try and lower it a little bit.  6.8 is ideal for soil.


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Re: Transplanting sprouts? first time with questions/ideas [Re: Hawksresurrection]
    #664842 - 04/04/13 12:12 AM (6 years, 7 months ago)

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Re: Transplanting sprouts? first time with questions/ideas [Re: Hawksresurrection]
    #664859 - 04/04/13 05:15 AM (6 years, 7 months ago)

I was wondering u say these are a month old There kinda small man Maybe  gen.?


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Re: Transplanting sprouts? first time with questions/ideas [Re: Hawksresurrection]
    #664891 - 04/04/13 10:59 AM (6 years, 7 months ago)

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Uh, try and lower it a little bit.  6.8 is ideal for soil.



What's a good way to lower pH soil with the plants in there already?
I want to use lemon juice to lower pH (organics) so can I just mix water and lemon juice and pour it over the plants, letting the excess drain out? If my ph is 7.5 should my water be 5.5 to bring the soil to ~6.5-6.8? Would this result in over watering?


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Re: Transplanting sprouts? first time with questions/ideas [Re: nnn-yan]
    #664903 - 04/04/13 12:20 PM (6 years, 7 months ago)

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UPDATED TRANSPLANT!!!
4/3/13
Today my girls are 1 month old and I heard them asking for a transplant, being that I can never say no to them they got what they wanted :




Now that you've transplanted, can you tell us the condition of the soil/roots of the old pots?


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Re: Transplanting sprouts? first time with questions/ideas [Re: nnn-yan]
    #664946 - 04/04/13 06:01 PM (6 years, 7 months ago)

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Uh, try and lower it a little bit.  6.8 is ideal for soil.



What's a good way to lower pH soil with the plants in there already?
I want to use lemon juice to lower pH (organics) so can I just mix water and lemon juice and pour it over the plants, letting the excess drain out? If my ph is 7.5 should my water be 5.5 to bring the soil to ~6.5-6.8? Would this result in over watering?




I would just water with 6.5 and then ph your run off? That should tell you what your next step. IMOP:jah:


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Re: Transplanting sprouts? first time with questions/ideas [Re: budgrowerwannabe]
    #664950 - 04/04/13 06:16 PM (6 years, 7 months ago)

Or just water at 6.5 and stop over complicating this.


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    #664955 - 04/04/13 06:21 PM (6 years, 7 months ago)

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Or just water at 6.5 and stop over complicating this.


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Re: Transplanting sprouts? first time with questions/ideas [Re: budgrowerwannabe]
    #665629 - 04/10/13 11:52 PM (6 years, 7 months ago)

UPDATE!
4/10/13
Arent they just beautiful?!?!:bigweed::ganja:


**I trimmed off the yellow leaves


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Re: Transplanting sprouts? first time with questions/ideas [Re: nnn-yan]
    #665634 - 04/11/13 12:05 AM (6 years, 7 months ago)

Well they're looking better.


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Re: Transplanting sprouts? first time with questions/ideas [Re: Hawksresurrection]
    #665714 - 04/11/13 03:42 PM (6 years, 7 months ago)

They've been growing a lot faster since the transplant. I watered last time with some 20-20-20 food, plus a little urine nitrogen boost, and adjusted the pH to 6.7
now how often should I be giving 20-20-20? the box says every 2 weeks...
and ive heard that high Potassium is good for root development is that true? cuz ive got some "postash" which is food (0-0-60)
should I be feeding with 20-20-20 alone during the veg growth period? or a higher NPK?

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Re: Transplanting sprouts? first time with questions/ideas [Re: nnn-yan]
    #665726 - 04/11/13 05:03 PM (6 years, 7 months ago)

No, no, no, no.  Don't feeed those guys anything  They're way too small.


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    #665743 - 04/11/13 07:02 PM (6 years, 7 months ago)

Really? then about when is better to feed them?


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Re: Transplanting sprouts? first time with questions/ideas [Re: nnn-yan]
    #665744 - 04/11/13 07:06 PM (6 years, 7 months ago)

Weeks from now man, with the size of those there's plenty of nutrients in the soil.


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Re: Transplanting sprouts? first time with questions/ideas [Re: Hawksresurrection]
    #665791 - 04/12/13 08:32 AM (6 years, 7 months ago)

Ok well then the yellowing of leaves? Not low nitrogen? Shock from transplant?


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Re: Transplanting sprouts? first time with questions/ideas [Re: nnn-yan]
    #665874 - 04/12/13 06:19 PM (6 years, 7 months ago)

Well that was happening BEFORE you transplanted them, so it's obviously not from the transplant.  Also you probably should've gone a little bigger on the bucket


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    #665930 - 04/13/13 11:50 AM (6 years, 7 months ago)

Its a 3.5gallon. I do plan on doing another transplant to a very large pot. I just didn't want to go from a cup to like a 8-9gallon pot.


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    #668438 - 04/30/13 02:41 PM (6 years, 6 months ago)

UPDATE!
So I successfully transplanted my 3 girls into 9.5 gallon pots.
each pot consists of 1 brick of coir, 2 cuft of potting soil and 2 gallons of vermiculite.
they were transplanted on 4/25/13
and they had so much more room to grow that I had to start to tie them down and bend em :bigweed:
so without further ado....


and to think that 2 months ago these babies were light starved, but they really pulled through, im so proud I cant wait til harvest!:ganja:


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Re: Transplanting sprouts? first time with questions/ideas [Re: nnn-yan]
    #668452 - 04/30/13 04:15 PM (6 years, 6 months ago)

did you mean those are 3 gallon pots and 9 gallon total?

they look better though OP


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    #668476 - 04/30/13 06:54 PM (6 years, 6 months ago)

haha no no each pot is 9.5 gallons:eek:


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    #668496 - 04/30/13 08:47 PM (6 years, 6 months ago)

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haha no no each pot is 9.5 gallons:eek:





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