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 Re: Second Grow/Indoor/18x32W Long T8 Fluorescents/Soil/Bagseed  [Re: zzzzzz]
#660273 - 02/26/13 05:48 AM (11 years, 1 month ago) |
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I would make like an (A) shape like and put them in the middle.
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Re: Second Grow/Indoor/18x32W Long T8 Fluorescents/Soil/Bagseed [Re: budgrowerwannabe]
#660515 - 02/27/13 06:09 PM (11 years, 1 month ago) |
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6 more weeks or so flowering left and it's interesting to note the vigorous growth in both the soils. The two buckets with the largest plants are different, one being the MG potting Moisture Control mix with dolomite added and the other being the spent MG from previous grow with 25% worm castings and dolomite (no added fert. the whole veg stage except 1/2 inch worm casting top dress early in veg). All have been getting MG bloom booster fertilizer at 50-60% recommended strength, every other watering since second week of flower (2nd fertilization last watering). Runoff pH has been good (low 6s-ish). Plants show NO signs of starving for anything.
I think a lot has to do with transplanting directly from primary pots to the 4 to 5 gal buckets. The soil was thoroughly moist. I then waiting as long as I thought reasonable to water (I think maybe the third watering was two weeks interval?), the goal being to encourage the roots to follow the water. And, I believe it worked. It wasn't very long (3-4 weeks?) before I saw roots poking out bottom drain holes. I take great car in watering to try to hit all the soil, pouring some down the sides (to counteract shrink and unwanted drainage), and water THOROUGHLY. Tip: if you have soil in flexible buckets, and if you're worried the soil is getting clumpy and hydrophobic, just squeeze the pots a bit and it'll break things up a little. It also seems to invigorate growth for some reason ... probably rootlet proliferation. Then again you shouldn't let your soil get that dry anyway, if you can help it.
So, in short, I think establishing a hardy, nicely developed root system early on is productive, and this is what I did ....
The big girls are stretching like crazy. I think 1" growth in the last two days. Big, strong stems too. Internodes are now about 2 inches,maybe 2-1/2 inches up high on plant with 10-12 main hope-to-be colas. This is where the fluorescent fixtures are both a blessing and a curse. It allows me to follow the varying heights of the plants with their fairly large different growth rates. Curse because it's a pain in the ass. Not so bad though. Not a bad tradeoff .... I did a fair job of HST and LST initially, but things got pretty bushy (not wanting to waste anything, I suppose). Many of you would probably say my buckets/plants are too crowded. I might agree but I think we're going to be ok with the 11 plants in four buckets. Tight, not optimal, but ok/good. I'm hoping for excellent!
Speaking of which, his it safe to top during flowering? Doesn't seem right to me .... Remove lower, weaker, shaded branches even though they show some flowering? I have removed probably 20% of each plant's foliage at the lower branches and secondary branches that don't seem like they'll make it to the light.
No more pictures, I think, for a couple weeks so I can share some real development and limit my library size.
Edited by zzzzzz (02/27/13 06:24 PM)
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Re: Second Grow/Indoor/18x32W Long T8 Fluorescents/Soil/Bagseed [Re: zzzzzz]
#660612 - 02/28/13 03:08 PM (11 years, 1 month ago) |
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Watered today. 5 gal's/4 buckets. These things are going crazy. Branches towards the lights have 1/4" thick stems right to the tops!
4 more bulbs tomorrow. Total of 22x32W. If things keep going as they are, there is going to be a rather high g/W coefficient, methinks. Probably 40-50 colas from 11 plants. I haven't done an exact count but I know at least three of the 11 have 10-12 main branches, all heavily flowering and with 1-2" internodes on stout stems. A couple few of the plants are "runts", about half the height and with no or only few stems. Speaking of which, look at the first post in this thread, at the first picture. The white bucket on the left front. One of the plants in that bucket is a runt (and still exists). Care to pick it out? HInt: it looks different than the others. 
Genetics! Bastards!!!! 
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Re: Second Grow/Indoor/18x32W Long T8 Fluorescents/Soil/Bagseed [Re: Hawksresurrection]
#660614 - 02/28/13 03:33 PM (11 years, 1 month ago) |
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hawksapprentice said:
I never stagger harvest like that. I just cut em down and move on. When I get back home I'll go over the rest of the grow if I have time and make any comments if necessary
Hawk,
Even if the genetics and/or individual plant development are naturally so divergent that some plants mature much sooner than others? Is this a matter of economy? That is, to get the next batch growing instead of tying it up with a "finishing" harvest of runts? I have recently considered sacrificing one or two of the smaller ones just for that reason, plus to dedicate resources to the remaining plants.
I appreciate your knowledge. Response requested.
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Re: Second Grow/Indoor/18x32W Long T8 Fluorescents/Soil/Bagseed [Re: zzzzzz]
#660617 - 02/28/13 04:28 PM (11 years, 1 month ago) |
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Really looking for critical analysis here.
Thank you.
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Re: Second Grow/Indoor/18x32W Long T8 Fluorescents/Soil/Bagseed [Re: zzzzzz]
#660747 - 03/01/13 02:28 PM (11 years, 1 month ago) |
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this thing is going off the charts. A couple of these plants are growing nearly an inch a day with aforementioned inter-node distances. The genetic variation in this bagseed grow is tremendous. Some are growing short and compact. Others are REALLY stretching.
Question: What if I top these rapidly growing fems? These are the ones that have 10-12 branches canopy. Tallest plants at 29 inches now.
That little retard is only 1/2 the ave. height of all others and single stem with very little flower development. There's another runt too. What to do, what to do ...?
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Re: Second Grow/Indoor/18x32W Long T8 Fluorescents/Soil/Bagseed [Re: zzzzzz]
#661011 - 03/03/13 09:35 PM (11 years, 1 month ago) |
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Bump! Looking for guidance, accolades, and criticisms here, folks! This is a fucking ghost-town!
More pictures to follow from today's visit ....
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Re: Second Grow/Indoor/18x32W Long T8 Fluorescents/Soil/Bagseed [Re: zzzzzz]
#661025 - 03/04/13 06:45 AM (11 years, 1 month ago) |
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It is dead here man but there are some cool cats here! They help alot. Just they dont post alot because most of the info is already on one thread or another.So I just look and learn from other people!
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Re: Second Grow/Indoor/18x32W Long T8 Fluorescents/Soil/Bagseed [Re: budgrowerwannabe]
#661058 - 03/04/13 01:28 PM (11 years, 1 month ago) |
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Week 4 of flower starting ... 5 or more to go ....
I read read read too but haven't found any specific info regarding my particular issue at this time, which is the wildly varying bagseed genetics I'm dealing with. Some of these are stretching like crazy. some are getting dense. Other's ain't doing much at all. The stretchers are bothering me the most. BUT, if those tall stems fill in I'm gonna be a happy camper. I'm just going to have to harvest each plant as it becomes ready. What I thought was a bunch of mostly indica dominant plants ... I don't know anymore. Some of them are starting to resemble sativas more than indicas so this thing might get crazy ...
Currently running about 63K Lumens, half 6500K and half 3000K. Flowering stretch internodes are an inch or less and sturdy, thick stems.
If I had to buy all these fluorescent fixtures, I think I might as well have invested in a couple HPS units. BUT, the fluoro lights have the advantage of adjusting more accurately to the varying heights of the bagseed. From 1 ft . runt to 30" monsters.
The last batch of pictures I took aren't so great. I'm usually in too big a hurry to get out of there so just snap and shoot instead of setting up. Perhaps I'll get some good shots next time.
BTW, Wannabe, that "red" plant is filling in nicely ... probably has the densest buds of all plants so far. I can only IMAGINE how full these are going to be after 5 more weeks!
First picture is overview looking into the closet. You can see the varying heights of the fixtures.
Here's one of the 10-12 branch "super stretchers" 
Stretcher closeup (look at the THICKNESS of those stems!):
Bud closeup (which?):
Ditto (Red pheno).
Here's Red closer. Photos just don't show the bud development very well:
Overview of the three of the four pots individually:
Thanks again for posting, Wannabe. I wouldn't be on here if there isn't any participation/encouragement.
Edited by zzzzzz (03/04/13 02:06 PM)
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Re: Second Grow/Indoor/18x32W Long T8 Fluorescents/Soil/Bagseed [Re: zzzzzz]
#661068 - 03/04/13 04:11 PM (11 years, 1 month ago) |
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So, how'm I doing?
Comments, criticisms, suggestions, praise, advice sought and welcomed!!!!
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Re: Second Grow/Indoor/18x32W Long T8 Fluorescents/Soil/Bagseed [Re: zzzzzz]
#661078 - 03/04/13 05:13 PM (11 years, 1 month ago) |
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Hell yea man all t8s for flower great job I think your getting more stretch then norm thow because of them  I bet you cant wait to try that ? Did you get a scope?
these are all bag seed I keep them all at the same height just have to spend more time with them.
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Re: Second Grow/Indoor/18x32W Long T8 Fluorescents/Soil/Bagseed [Re: budgrowerwannabe]
#661081 - 03/04/13 05:24 PM (11 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yeah, but look at that internode length. If it was from weaksauce light, there'd be long internodes, no?
No scope yet. Still using 10x monocular.
Edited by zzzzzz (03/04/13 05:25 PM)
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Re: Second Grow/Indoor/18x32W Long T8 Fluorescents/Soil/Bagseed [Re: zzzzzz]
#661083 - 03/04/13 05:32 PM (11 years, 1 month ago) |
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Makes since too me They do stretch alot during flower just dont know if your is more because of t8 Im flowering with MH and veg with t8 and cfls.
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Re: Second Grow/Indoor/18x32W Long T8 Fluorescents/Soil/Bagseed [Re: budgrowerwannabe]
#661084 - 03/04/13 05:37 PM (11 years, 1 month ago) |
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Hey Wannabe,
But consider (in addition to internode distance) that there are other plants under the same lights that aren't stretching like that, but forming dense buds at the moment. Methinks perhaps genetics might be playing here ....
All the HPS and such do is offer greater intensity, but not necessarily (as can be seen).
Thanks for your time and input!
Edited by zzzzzz (03/04/13 05:41 PM)
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Re: Second Grow/Indoor/18x32W Long T8 Fluorescents/Soil/Bagseed [Re: zzzzzz]
#661086 - 03/04/13 05:58 PM (11 years, 1 month ago) |
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Quote:
zzzzzz said:
Hey Wannabe,
But consider (in addition to internode distance) that there are other plants under the same lights that aren't stretching like that, but forming dense buds at the moment. Methinks perhaps genetics might be playing here ....
All the HPS and such do is offer greater intensity, but not necessarily (as can be seen).
Thanks for your time and input!
I know it is gentics and they suck thats why Im growing good strains from now on.As I look at your log Im loving the buds and not alot of heat to deal with. There is some but not like my light. Im glad that there is some one to shoot the shit with why we wait for are plant to ripping
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Re: Second Grow/Indoor/18x32W Long T8 Fluorescents/Soil/Bagseed [Re: budgrowerwannabe]
#661140 - 03/05/13 08:09 AM (11 years, 1 month ago) |
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budgrowerwannabe said:
I know it is gentics and they suck thats why Im growing good strains from now on.As I look at your log Im loving the buds and not alot of heat to deal with. There is some but not like my light. Im glad that there is some one to shoot the shit with why we wait for are plant to ripping
Hey! What do you mean? Are you saying my genetics suck?!? Dissin' my plants, man! 
Actually, it's kind of exciting to see, though a bit of a pain in the ass to deal with. Now that I've got my dick wet, I might feel encouraged to spend some money on good seed.
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Re: Second Grow/Indoor/18x32W Long T8 Fluorescents/Soil/Bagseed [Re: zzzzzz]
#661143 - 03/05/13 08:40 AM (11 years, 1 month ago) |
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Quote:
zzzzzz said:
Quote:
budgrowerwannabe said:
I know it is gentics and they suck thats why Im growing good strains from now on.As I look at your log Im loving the buds and not alot of heat to deal with. There is some but not like my light. Im glad that there is some one to shoot the shit with why we wait for are plant to ripping
Hey! What do you mean? Are you saying my genetics suck?!? Dissin' my plants, man!
Actually, it's kind of exciting to see, though a bit of a pain in the ass to deal with. Now that I've got my dick wet, I might feel encouraged to spend some money on good seed.
Im growing out of bag of seed too so i know my gen. suck thats what i was talking about I think yours are bad ass .Like you said its like looking into a mirror when i look at your grow and mine its crazy!
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Re: Second Grow/Indoor/18x32W Long T8 Fluorescents/Soil/Bagseed [Re: budgrowerwannabe]
#661152 - 03/05/13 09:53 AM (11 years, 1 month ago) |
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Re: Second Grow/Indoor/18x32W Long T8 Fluorescents/Soil/Bagseed [Re: zzzzzz]
#661389 - 03/07/13 12:54 PM (11 years, 1 month ago) |
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HSTd some longer flower stems on one of the two large, tall plants. The stems just bent right over 90 degrees or more without cracking or breaking anything.
I know people will say "no!" but I'm just experimenting. I can't imagine, unless the stems actually break and die, that there will be a significant decrease in yield.
Anyway, I have another, almost exact phenotype that I left alone for comparison. It will be fun to see any differences.
Does anyone think those tall plants may be Sativa dominant? The shorter plants are flowering more prolifically, and these other two giants are stretching like mother-fuckers (with VERY CLOSE internodes ... just rapid growth 5th week of flower).
These are the bad boys I HSTd, 4-6 inches/internodes down.
Updated pics to follow.
Edited by zzzzzz (03/07/13 11:10 PM)
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Re: Second Grow/Indoor/18x32W Long T8 Fluorescents/Soil/Bagseed [Re: zzzzzz]
#661515 - 03/08/13 10:39 AM (11 years, 1 month ago) |
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Whats your nut. and now much and what not if you dont mind me asking?
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