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Do these plants look healthy (no improvement)
    #648069 - 11/26/12 03:36 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

I have noticed that the leaves seem to be drooping some and the leaves feel really crisp. The reason I find these issues cause I have read on several other forums that drooping leaves and a weird feel to the leaves can be a sign of unhealthy plants. What do you guys think. Thanks for any input.


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Re: Do these plants look healthy [Re: redman2012]
    #648076 - 11/26/12 04:11 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

If they are, then I will want to hear the diagnosis....as they also look
pretty healthy to my ignorant eye.

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Re: Do these plants look healthy [Re: Javadog]
    #648078 - 11/26/12 04:21 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

What are your temps?


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Re: Do these plants look healthy [Re: NameInUse]
    #648079 - 11/26/12 04:24 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

Also, I wouldn't use foil. Foil reflects maybe 60% of light whereas flat white will reflect 99%.


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Re: Do these plants look healthy [Re: NameInUse]
    #648080 - 11/26/12 04:30 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

Well this is my buddy and mine first grow so of course we are a little over paranoid haha. The temp stays about a steady 80 degrees and thanks for that foil tip.

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Re: Do these plants look healthy [Re: redman2012]
    #648087 - 11/26/12 05:03 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

I'm not saying anything is wrong, however they do look hot and maybe underwatered. Someone will stop by with more input.


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Re: Do these plants look healthy [Re: NameInUse]
    #648099 - 11/26/12 06:39 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

they look nice and healthy, like they've received plenty of light so far.  keep watering those plants!

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Re: Do these plants look healthy [Re: encryptor]
    #648129 - 11/26/12 09:18 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

A little more info would be super helpful.


1. Are you growing from seed or clones?
2. How old are your plants?
3. How tall are your plants?
4. What size containers are they planted in?
5. What is your soil mix?
6. How often do you water and what type of water do you use?
7. What is the pH of your water?
8. What kind of fertilizer do you use and what is its NPK ratio?
9. Do you foliar feed or spray your plants with anything?
10. What kind of lights do you use and how many watts combined? (HPS, MH, fluorescent, halogen, incandescent "plant lights")
11. How close are your lights to the plants?
12. What size is your grow space in square feet?
13. What is the temperature and humidity in your grow space?
14. What is the pH of the soil?
15. Have you noticed any insect activity in your grow space?
16. How much experience do you have growing?


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Re: Do these plants look healthy [Re: Hawksresurrection]
    #648154 - 11/26/12 10:39 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

1. Are you growing from seed or clones?
seeds
2. How old are your plants?
about a month
3. How tall are your plants?
8-9 inches
4. What size containers are they planted in?
3 gallon
5. What is your soil mix?
Fox Farm Ocean Blend? think hats the name threw the bag away
6. How often do you water and what type of water do you use?
water as needed depending on dampness of soil and distilled water
7. What is the pH of your water?
haven't done any ph lvl checking to be honest
8. What kind of fertilizer do you use and what is its NPK ratio?
none
9. Do you foliar feed or spray your plants with anything?
will occasionally mist with water
10. What kind of lights do you use and how many watts combined? (HPS, MH, fluorescent, halogen, incandescent "plant lights")
Using one 600 watt MH for vegetation will move to a 600 watt HPS
11. How close are your lights to the plants?
about 18 inches from plant
12. What size is your grow space in square feet?
It is a closet about 7 ft tall by 3 by 3
13. What is the temperature and humidity in your grow space?
temps stay at a steady 80 not sure on humidity
14. What is the pH of the soil?
no checking
15. Have you noticed any insect activity in your grow space?
nope
16. How much experience do you have growing?
first grow man going by this site and a couple others to get us by

thanks for any input btw

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Re: Do these plants look healthy [Re: redman2012]
    #648157 - 11/26/12 10:52 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

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11. How close are your lights to the plants?
about 18 inches from plant




This is very interesting to me, as I am also using a 600W HID lamp,
and am not certain how close I can take the lamp.

I am currently at about 2'

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Re: Do these plants look healthy [Re: redman2012]
    #648158 - 11/26/12 10:53 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

Well I'd say maybe over watering.  I've found that in the beginning when growing from seed you can get some funkiness. 


How often are you actually watering, and how much each time.


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Re: Do these plants look healthy [Re: Javadog]
    #648217 - 11/27/12 12:04 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

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11. How close are your lights to the plants?
about 18 inches from plant




This is very interesting to me, as I am also using a 600W HID lamp,
and am not certain how close I can take the lamp.

I am currently at about 2'

Good luck,

JD



It's best to use the back of your hand to set this up.
If it's to hot to the back of your hand then it'll be to hot to the plants.

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Re: Do these plants look healthy [Re: Stoneth]
    #648267 - 11/27/12 01:53 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

We normally water them every 3 days and split a gallon of water between 5 plants

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Re: Do these plants look healthy [Re: Stoneth]
    #648272 - 11/27/12 02:05 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

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11. How close are your lights to the plants?
about 18 inches from plant




This is very interesting to me, as I am also using a 600W HID lamp,
and am not certain how close I can take the lamp.

I am currently at about 2'

Good luck,

JD



It's best to use the back of your hand to set this up.
If it's to hot to the back of your hand then it'll be to hot to the plants.




Yes, it was suggested that I leave my hand in place for a minute
to best gauge the situation.

I did this, and it seemed ok, and the initial reaction of the babies
was positive.

I begin to think that I am starting to see some leaf curl now though.

The row best centered under the lights:

Sweet Tooth:


AK-47:


Sweet Tooth:


The back row:

Low Girl:


Sweet Tooth:


BioDiesel Mass:


Like I wrote, my lamp is a good two feet above these plants, but it
is a 600W HID MH lamp so maybe that is still too close....esp for babies.

Any pointers appreciated.

Take care,

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Re: Do these plants look healthy [Re: redman2012]
    #648286 - 11/27/12 03:11 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

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We normally water them every 3 days and split a gallon of water between 5 plants



Just to give you an idea, I pour in water slowly (not flooding) until it starts flowing from the bottom. Once the pots are dry, I do it again.
When plants are underwatered the leaves will thicken up because the plant is trying to retain as much water as possible.


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Re: Do these plants look healthy [Re: Javadog]
    #648287 - 11/27/12 03:13 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

Please don't hijack threads like this Java, if you have questions or concerns about your plants, make a thread about it.


You're watering them WAY too little per container.  Gallon minimum each watering.  Then you wait until it's dry.  I believe we've found part of your problem.


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Re: Do these plants look healthy [Re: Hawksresurrection]
    #648295 - 11/27/12 03:53 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

No worries Hawk.  Sorry OP.

It started as a related issue, but went too far.

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Re: Do these plants look healthy [Re: Javadog]
    #648299 - 11/27/12 04:38 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

No worries dude.  Just giving you a heads up.


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Re: Do these plants look healthy [Re: Hawksresurrection]
    #648318 - 11/27/12 05:32 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

Thank you guys very much. Did some very good watering just a little bit ago hoping to see some improvements in the next couple days.

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Re: Do these plants look healthy [Re: redman2012]
    #648326 - 11/27/12 06:44 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

It's going to take longer than that.  Even though you're using distilled water, I would recommend checking the pH. 


And make sure that they get pretty dang dry in between.  Plants that big should seriously take a week or longer to need it again, as long as you gave it a thorough saturation.


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Re: Do these plants look healthy [Re: Hawksresurrection]
    #648596 - 11/29/12 02:33 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

After watering them really good, they still look like this two days after. You said it will take a few days but do you think they will bounce back or could it be another issue?


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Re: Do these plants look healthy [Re: redman2012]
    #648597 - 11/29/12 03:00 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

They look better already!


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Re: Do these plants look healthy [Re: NameInUse]
    #648599 - 11/29/12 03:18 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

When looking for improved health you look towards the new growth.  The leaves that are already affected wont return to normal.  It will takes a couple weeks for them to be looking perfect.


Just wait for them to dry out quite a bit.  The best way to determine when to water is to feel how heavy they are directly after watering.  Then every 4-5 days see how they weigh.  Those shouldn't need water for a good long time, like a week and half or more is my guess.


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Re: Do these plants look healthy [Re: Hawksresurrection]
    #648880 - 12/01/12 12:03 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

Sorry to keep bothering you guys with these newbie questions haha, but there is still new growth happening with the plant, new leaves are forming and they are still growing height wise, but i noticed today that even some of the new leaves begin to droop. I was wondering if maybe it is light stress on the plants due to being on a 24 hour cycle. Also I am thinking of doing some ph test to see where they are at. Like you said before older leaves will stay damaged but is it ok for the new leaves to be that way.

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Re: Do these plants look healthy [Re: redman2012]
    #648881 - 12/01/12 12:22 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

The soil could be a little hot for em.  I'm sticking with just giving them more time.


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Re: Do these plants look healthy [Re: Hawksresurrection]
    #648897 - 12/01/12 04:30 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

To my untrained eye those look beautiful!

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Re: Do these plants look healthy [Re: Javadog]
    #648898 - 12/01/12 04:33 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

No, they're having issues.  The soil might be a bit too hot for em.


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Re: Do these plants look healthy [Re: Hawksresurrection]
    #648899 - 12/01/12 04:37 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

I believe you TC....my comment related to my newness.

I certainly have high hopes for them!

I am using FFOF and have not fed them nutes yet.  (Liquid Karma and some
Silica Blast only)

Good luck OP!

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Re: Do these plants look healthy [Re: Javadog]
    #648903 - 12/01/12 04:59 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

I think they'll be just fine.  But I would like to see regular updates on me just in case


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Re: Do these plants look healthy [Re: Hawksresurrection]
    #649016 - 12/02/12 11:01 AM (11 years, 3 months ago)

Alright as you have said before it will take time for them to get back on track, but they have taken a turn for the worse in my opinion. They are drooping terribly and a couple leaves are even showing some tearing and damage. We have checked ph and it is about 6.5. We decided to go ahead and move into flowering just in hopes of getting some kind of yield from them. When we first started the grow we ran on a 18/6 and decided to change to a 24 and after that they grew good for a few days and this began to happen, could it be light stress from changing cycles, also could they have been so under watered that the damage is not fixable. We really appreciate the help guys.

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Re: Do these plants look healthy [Re: redman2012]
    #649028 - 12/02/12 11:47 AM (11 years, 3 months ago)

Here is what I think.
There is plenty of debate over the 6 hours of darkness. I would never give up my 18/6, I believe to have seen a noticeable difference in root growth. Your plants were water stressed and they need time to bounce back. The roots are probably what's pissed and I would expect this switch to flowering is gonna do them in. They need time and darkness.
I think your rhizosphere is suffering and is in need of some beneficials.
But as always, you should see what the TC's have to say.


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Re: Do these plants look healthy [Re: NameInUse]
    #649030 - 12/02/12 12:04 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

I'd say flush the shit out of em with pH balanced water.  Make sure that you pH all the water you give em.  When flushing you give 2-3 times the amount of water to soil in ratio. 


As far as the 24 hour light thing, that's not causing this.  I've used 24 hour a ton with no issues.  I've bounced the lighting time around with no issues.  I use 18/6 now just to save on money though.


I would recommend that you use some beneficial microorganism supplements, but that's not what's causing your problem.


Do the flush and let's see where they go from there.


And oh yeah, DON'T flower them now.  You want to get them healthy before anything.


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Re: Do these plants look healthy [Re: Hawksresurrection]
    #649085 - 12/02/12 03:36 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

Hawk: I don't understand why he should flush them.  He said he's using Fox Farm Ocean Forest with no amendment or other fertilizer.  This in conjunction with the fact that he's using distilled water would indicate to me a deficiency.
My thought is that this is either over-watering, or possibly a K deficiency indicating that he should start amending the soil since those ladies are definitely at a point where they should be receiving some nutes.  Possibly a combination of both.
Redman: When you water, what method do you use to determine if they're ready.  I just stick my finger in almost to the second digit; if the soil is dry to that point, I water.  If it's still damp, I wait.  I also do it by weight, which I think Hawk mentioned above.  Just lift your plants when you're sure they're ready for water (finger test), and wait until they feel that light again before watering.
If you already do this, or you have some other method for knowing when to water, then I would say look into supplementing your soil with a broad, cannabis specific, macro-nutrient.


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Re: Do these plants look healthy [Re: 81renaissance]
    #649096 - 12/02/12 04:20 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

I would vote to cut the distilled water. Tap water has that extra cal/mg+ that you need. Especially when not using any nutrients. Its not good for humans to drink distilled water because it strips our bodies of valuable nutrients. Distilled water is like a vacuum, capable of holding onto molecules better than our bodies. Every reaction is driven by trying to balance its energy level and reach equilibrium--water does not like to be pure.


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    #649098 - 12/02/12 04:34 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

Oh, and I also agree its time to start them on a light feeding.


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Re: Do these plants look healthy [Re: phychotron]
    #649099 - 12/02/12 04:41 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

Dangerous to anthropomorphize the plants (i.e. distilled water is bad for humans, therefore it is bad for plants).
Also, if he's attempting to supplement/encourage the growth of microorganisms, tap water is a terrible idea because of the chlorine present in most municipal water supplies.  I also object to tap water b/c it can rapidly build up unwanted salt/mineral content in the soil and unless you know the ppm of dissolved solids in your water source, you're supplementing with an unknown value.
I do prefer RO water to distilled, and if you have a Whole Foods near you, they have dispensers for RO water; you can fill your own container for like 25 cents a gallon.


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Re: Do these plants look healthy [Re: 81renaissance]
    #649100 - 12/02/12 04:56 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

2. How old are your plants?
about a month

4. What size containers are they planted in?
3 gallon


This is why I would flush first.  3 gallons of soil should have more than enough nutrients for a month old plant.


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Re: Do these plants look healthy [Re: Hawksresurrection]
    #649105 - 12/02/12 05:29 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah, but it's just potting soil.  I use a much hotter mix even on my seedlings.  There's nothing to flush from the soil at this point, and I think that if it's an overwatering problem, the flush will just exacerbate it.
Also, month old plants should definitely be getting SOME kind of nutrients. Potting soil just isn't enough. 
In fact, I think that the size of the plants also demonstrates that there is some kind of deficiency b/c those babies are way too small to have been in veg for a month.  Stunted growth+inter-vein chlorosis+droopy leaves: I'm sticking with a.) over-watering unless the OP comes in and can say definitively that it isn't, and b.) either a K or S deficiency.
I honestly would let them dry out and see how they respond, because the stunted growth could also be poor root structure, due to lack of oxygen, due to overwatering.


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Re: Do these plants look healthy [Re: 81renaissance]
    #649109 - 12/02/12 05:39 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

Well if you read the thread he was under watering.  He was giving like a cup or so in his waterings every 3 days.  I instructed him to give a thorough watering and then let dry out. 


He's using FFOF.  That has plenty of nutes for the first month.


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Re: Do these plants look healthy [Re: Hawksresurrection]
    #649114 - 12/02/12 05:55 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

Blech. I don't disagree with you about the underwatering referenced above, but it is still showing all the classic signs of either over or under-watering (since both problems present similar issues).
OP: Are you watering them now until you get some run-off each time?  Also how frequently are they being watered now?
Also, are there drainage holes in the bottom of those pots?  Obvious question I know, but when my stereo doesn't work, the first thing I check is the power cable.


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Re: Do these plants look healthy [Re: 81renaissance]
    #649124 - 12/02/12 06:47 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

I'm rather new to growing but plants do great with a 18/6 cycle and using 24/0 is a waste of light since 18/6 keeps them from flowering any ways. I think you should switch back to a 18/6 and maybe try flushing your plant and see if that helps any and give them more water. If your watering them more but they keep staying droopy it has to be a nutrients issue and I would try flushing a couple of times and see if it helps.

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Re: Do these plants look healthy [Re: TriGeoLight]
    #649131 - 12/02/12 07:01 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

I didn't even think about asking if it had drainage holes, I always just assume they're there. 


He was supposed to start watering at least a gallon of water per plant.


I disagree with the thought that if you water until you have run-off as way to tell if your watering adequately.  If you have let them get really dry, a lot of the first amounts of water can seep right down the side and be construed as drainage.  Not trying to start an argument, just something I've seen someone do.


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Re: Do these plants look healthy [Re: Hawksresurrection]
    #649140 - 12/02/12 08:23 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

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I didn't even think about asking if it had drainage holes, I always just assume they're there. 


He was supposed to start watering at least a gallon of water per plant.


I disagree with the thought that if you water until you have run-off as way to tell if your watering adequately.  If you have let them get really dry, a lot of the first amounts of water can seep right down the side and be construed as drainage.  Not trying to start an argument, just something I've seen someone do.



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Re: Do these plants look healthy [Re: Hawksresurrection]
    #649151 - 12/02/12 09:09 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

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I disagree with the thought that if you water until you have run-off as way to tell if your watering adequately.  If you have let them get really dry, a lot of the first amounts of water can seep right down the side and be construed as drainage.  Not trying to start an argument, just something I've seen someone do.




Good thought actually.  Not an argument starter at all, just two growers trying to help out a new guy!
It may not be helpful to say "water until there's run-off" unless you've done it enough to know the difference between the initial moisture passing through a well-aerated soil, and actual run-off. :gonz:


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Re: Do these plants look healthy [Re: TriGeoLight]
    #649153 - 12/02/12 09:14 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

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... using 24/0 is a waste of light since 18/6 keeps them from flowering any ways.




Weeeeeelllllll...24/0 may seem like a waste of light until you look at it from the perspective of the actual plant growth process:  obviously, light is necessary for photosynthesis to occur, and that process directly causes the uptake of nutrients and growth of the plant.  In very basic terms, a 24 hour light cycle allows 24 hours of photosynthesis, while an 18/6 cycle stops photosynthesis for 1/3 of the time in veg.  The only reason to go 18/6 vs. 24 is if you have a growing philosophy that supposes that a switch from 24/0 to 12/12 causes undue stress on the plant, OR if you have a highly sensitive plant that would be prone to herm in the face of a dramatic lighting change.  Otherwise, you get more bang for your buck in terms of growth during veg, by using a 24/0 cycle.


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Re: Do these plants look healthy [Re: 81renaissance]
    #649156 - 12/02/12 09:17 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

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I disagree with the thought that if you water until you have run-off as way to tell if your watering adequately.  If you have let them get really dry, a lot of the first amounts of water can seep right down the side and be construed as drainage.  Not trying to start an argument, just something I've seen someone do.




Good thought actually.  Not an argument starter at all, just two growers trying to help out a new guy!
It may not be helpful to say "water until there's run-off" unless you've done it enough to know the difference between the initial moisture passing through a well-aerated soil, and actual run-off. :gonz:



I would water so theres a bit of run off but not a lot unless i was trying to flush my plant. If your to lazy to measure I would say water it enough to get run off but not enough that it puddles on the surface of the soil. You want the plant and soil to absorb the nutrients and water not flush out of the drainage at the bottom or drown your plant.

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Re: Do these plants look healthy [Re: TriGeoLight]
    #649178 - 12/02/12 11:13 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

Sorry guys had a really long work day today and just now got a chance to get back on here to check the post, appreciate all the help coming from you guys, but to answer the few question you have asked, yes there are drainage holes, purchased the pots that way, four holes going around the pot near the bottom and a center hole dead center underneath. To check the soil I would push my finger about second knuckle deep and to be even more thorough I would push my pinky into the drainage holes to make sure water was just sitting at the bottom and the plants were watered well. It was a week ago today, that I started this post and watered them very well as Hawk had said. Today after I posted this and hawk said to maybe flush them out I checked before watering and it was very well dry both top and bottom. I watered until in ran out the drainage holes, not so much as a steady stream but enough to cause a puddle the size of maybe a CD. Also cancelled any ideas of flowering in hopes, as hawk said, to make sure the plants are very healthy and ready for it, so they are still on a 24/0. Think i covered everything, if I didn't please let me know so I can fill you guys in. Thank you all again.

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Re: Do these plants look healthy [Re: redman2012]
    #649193 - 12/03/12 02:33 AM (11 years, 3 months ago)

In regards to your CD sized puddle.
I will add water very slowly, if I pour it in too fast it will go around the dirt and out the bottom, like Hawk was saying. So I go from pot to pot adding about a quart each so the water has time to soak into the pot before I add another quart or so. I do this until I get standing water in my saucer and adding more water only increases the standing water at the bottom. Don't leave them in the standing water, the roots should only stay submerged like that for about 20 minutes. It's not a huge thing for me, just generally don't let the saucers be full of water all the time.


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