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    #627388 - 06/13/12 12:50 PM (8 years, 10 months ago)

hey all im in the process of getting my medical card to offer for medical usage and im starting to do my research. My big question is is the cost of lighting. to get the lights and to run them.  With my grow card i can have 12 budding plants and 12 non budding plants at one time...  I know there are a few differnt types of lights i can use but i wanted to go with the option that would burn as little energy as possible, I was reading about CFL.. now would that be a good option to use for growing?


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Re: new to this and had some question [Re: baddagger]
    #627391 - 06/13/12 01:42 PM (8 years, 10 months ago)

i would just get a HPS. it's way better in the long run.

veg the plants with T5s and then flower with a HPS. especially if you're flowering 12 plants. you'll get WAY more out of HPS than CFL or anything else.

with HPS you get more lumens (light) per watt than CFLs or T5s. makes more sense.


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Re: new to this and had some question [Re: baddagger]
    #627392 - 06/13/12 02:00 PM (8 years, 10 months ago)

but how do the two compare in power usage? i want to try to keep the power bill down as much as possible with the growing lights


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Re: new to this and had some question [Re: baddagger] * 1
    #627395 - 06/13/12 02:14 PM (8 years, 10 months ago)

well if you run 400 watts of T5 lighting, youll pay the same as running 400 watts of HPS lighting... im not sure how else to explain it.

with HPS you get more light per watt than anything other kind of light, per watt...

you can grow with CFLs but if you want good end product, get a good light.


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Re: new to this and had some question [Re: Pilze]
    #627402 - 06/13/12 02:35 PM (8 years, 10 months ago)

Isnt that debateable? Since u have to keep it far and it creates uneven lighting unlike a bunch of cfls


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Re: new to this and had some question [Re: Maestro]
    #627409 - 06/13/12 03:12 PM (8 years, 10 months ago)

apparently yes, it is debatable. but im high as shit, and hungry, and dont feel like it.

so yea. lol


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Re: new to this and had some question [Re: Maestro]
    #627416 - 06/13/12 03:34 PM (8 years, 10 months ago)

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Isnt that debateable? Since u have to keep it far and it creates uneven lighting unlike a bunch of cfls



Not debatable period.
It would take double the watt of cfls to compare to that of a HID system.
This is why HIDs are still the leader in plant lighting.


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Re: new to this and had some question [Re: Stoneth]
    #627430 - 06/13/12 05:21 PM (8 years, 10 months ago)

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Isnt that debateable? Since u have to keep it far and it creates uneven lighting unlike a bunch of cfls



Not debatable period.
It would take double the watt of cfls to compare to that of a HID system.
This is why HIDs are still the leader in plant lighting.




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Re: new to this and had some question [Re: Hawksresurrection] * 2
    #627564 - 06/14/12 03:21 AM (8 years, 10 months ago)

And CFL's actually produce more heat per watt than an HID light does. So you're also going to use more electricity to cool your space, too...

I have a friend who's dad grows with CFL's, and I constantly tell him he'd be better off with a could of 400's in there rather than 2 or 3 dozen 62 watt CFL's...


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Re: new to this and had some question [Re: Tank333]
    #627614 - 06/14/12 01:01 PM (8 years, 10 months ago)

Hmm I see.  Thanks for clearing that up.

Any reason people get cfls instead of cheap security HPS's? Except misinformation lol. I seen a 70 watt one for 19$ at HD (ballast and bulb).


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Re: new to this and had some question [Re: Maestro]
    #627958 - 06/15/12 11:58 PM (8 years, 10 months ago)

well i seen them as low high low 30ies wats... but but i was also was figuring that if i used a bunch of cfls.. i could spread them out more for more even light over all the planst instead of just having one big light that covers only a certin area...so would it be better in that manner  ...

also i seen 13 wat cfls on walmart tha put out 825 lums


oh also i got my hands on the growing elite marijuana book .. is that a good book to read?


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Re: new to this and had some question [Re: baddagger]
    #628031 - 06/16/12 09:59 AM (8 years, 10 months ago)



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Re: new to this and had some question [Re: Hawksresurrection]
    #628054 - 06/16/12 12:09 PM (8 years, 10 months ago)

ok i will take a look at that book but what about my other question?


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Re: new to this and had some question [Re: baddagger]
    #628055 - 06/16/12 12:18 PM (8 years, 10 months ago)

HID will always out perform CFL's, not matter how many you have.  Better canopy penetration, more lumens per watt, better yield, better pot.  Now you do have to spend more money to vent and a decent sealed air cooled reflector and what not.  But that pays for itself in the long run.


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Re: new to this and had some question [Re: Hawksresurrection]
    #628107 - 06/16/12 11:16 PM (8 years, 10 months ago)

A decent reflector helps with spreading the light around. And one can always use supplementary CFL lighting to boost lumens to growth lower on the plant.


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Re: new to this and had some question [Re: SmokeaJoint]
    #628110 - 06/16/12 11:37 PM (8 years, 10 months ago)

so i should use Hid lights then throw in Cfls to help make sure everywere is getting proper amount of light


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Re: new to this and had some question [Re: baddagger]
    #628111 - 06/16/12 11:39 PM (8 years, 10 months ago)

All you need is hid(hps)


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Re: new to this and had some question [Re: KaptKid]
    #628127 - 06/17/12 01:00 AM (8 years, 10 months ago)

what does hid stand for?


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Re: new to this and had some question [Re: budgrowerwannabe]
    #628129 - 06/17/12 01:12 AM (8 years, 10 months ago)

Umm high intensity diodes I think


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Re: new to this and had some question [Re: Maestro]
    #628168 - 06/17/12 11:44 AM (8 years, 10 months ago)

high intensity discharge :thumbup:


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Re: new to this and had some question [Re: shagdawg420]
    #628194 - 06/17/12 06:29 PM (8 years, 10 months ago)

didnt know that thanks man


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Re: new to this and had some question [Re: budgrowerwannabe]
    #628200 - 06/17/12 06:45 PM (8 years, 10 months ago)

Idk man theres not any ONE thing you're supposed to do. If you like your yields and quality just using HID lighting, I say do that. For me, I like using supplementary lighting on the lower levels. Helps me max out yield among other techniques. But you dont NEED supplementary lighting at all.


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Re: new to this and had some question [Re: SmokeaJoint]
    #628253 - 06/17/12 11:36 PM (8 years, 10 months ago)

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Idk man theres not any ONE thing you're supposed to do. If you like your yields and quality just using HID lighting, I say do that. For me, I like using supplementary lighting on the lower levels. Helps me max out yield among other techniques. But you dont NEED supplementary lighting at all.





Well of corse i want top quality, But also want to get as much as possible..( would it be possible to get like a half pound per a plant?)


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Re: new to this and had some question [Re: baddagger]
    #628255 - 06/17/12 11:44 PM (8 years, 10 months ago)

It's definitely possible.  I got that with my last yield.  But I've been growing for a few years now.  Don't expect that type of yield.


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Re: new to this and had some question [Re: Hawksresurrection]
    #628258 - 06/17/12 11:50 PM (8 years, 10 months ago)

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It's definitely possible.  I got that with my last yield.  But I've been growing for a few years now.  Don't expect that type of yield.





oh ok cool, well i do understand that it will take time to be able to learn what to do to get top yeilds,  but at the same time i want to get all the right types of lighting so i can have the abilty to be able to produce it when i know what im doing instead of having to change out my lights and wast alot of money.

Now for the lights What are t5 lights? are they the same as the HID?  or is one better then the other?


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Re: new to this and had some question [Re: baddagger]
    #628261 - 06/17/12 11:57 PM (8 years, 10 months ago)

You want HID.  It's more investment up front.  But it will pay off in the long run.  T5's are a type of high output floro.


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Re: new to this and had some question [Re: Hawksresurrection]
    #628262 - 06/18/12 12:03 AM (8 years, 10 months ago)

now a hid light is that consider to be the Metal Halide and/or high pressure sodium bulbs? or is hid something different?


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Re: new to this and had some question [Re: baddagger]
    #628265 - 06/18/12 12:12 AM (8 years, 10 months ago)

MH and HPS are both forms of HID.


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Re: new to this and had some question [Re: Hawksresurrection]
    #628268 - 06/18/12 12:19 AM (8 years, 10 months ago)

ahh ok cool, thanks alot for all the help

now between the two is one better then the other? or is one used for growing and the other for when the buds flower?


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Re: new to this and had some question [Re: baddagger]
    #628275 - 06/18/12 12:34 AM (8 years, 10 months ago)

MH is used for vegging, HPS to flower, but you could veg with HPS if you want. i do.


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Re: new to this and had some question [Re: Pilze]
    #628322 - 06/18/12 08:51 AM (8 years, 10 months ago)

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MH is used for vegging, HPS to flower, but you could veg with HPS if you want. i do.



can you flower with mh?


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Re: new to this and had some question [Re: budgrowerwannabe]
    #628351 - 06/18/12 09:02 PM (8 years, 10 months ago)

You get better results flowering with HPS but I've seen posts on a few forums of folks doing a full grow cycle with MH bulbs. Nugs end out looking like popcorn buds but hey.


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Re: new to this and had some question [Re: SmokeaJoint]
    #628355 - 06/18/12 09:35 PM (8 years, 10 months ago)

enhanced spectrum HPS are the best all around bulbs:2cents:


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Re: new to this and had some question [Re: brainsOplenty]
    #628376 - 06/18/12 11:54 PM (8 years, 10 months ago)

ok well i been reading this book growing elite marijauana and in the lighting chapter it says that with a 400 wat hid light i can get about grow 13 plants with it.. is that true? if so i would assume that i would not be able to get the plants to grow tha tall and get a high yeild...i would like to try to get the plants up to the 4-6 foot range if possible..


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Re: new to this and had some question [Re: baddagger]
    #628377 - 06/19/12 12:43 AM (8 years, 10 months ago)

Dude even a 1000 HPS only has about three foot of penetration.
4 to 6 foot is a bit of over kill.
I myself shoot for 16 to 28 inches, averaging around an oz per plant, four plant per square foot, and with a 400 watt HPS.


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Re: new to this and had some question [Re: Stoneth]
    #628381 - 06/19/12 02:04 AM (8 years, 10 months ago)

hahah 4-6 feet

ya, go ahead and try that, then 3 weeks into flowering a 6 foot plant, you're going to have a tree taller than your house.


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