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InvisibleShifty
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Fucking drug test, what are you guys using to get by?
    #626770 - 06/09/12 03:05 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

So I got a letter today from my union telling me its time for my 'random' drug test, Ive got 10 days to show up at the testing site. Pain in the ass. Whats everyone using to get by?

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Re: Fucking drug test, what are you guys using to get by? [Re: Shifty]
    #626772 - 06/09/12 03:10 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

a marinol prescription

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Re: Fucking drug test, what are you guys using to get by? [Re: Pilze]
    #626773 - 06/09/12 03:12 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

but, since you probably can't get that, but i suggest TRYING, go to a head shop and buy some fake piss. that stuff works if you follow the directions. DO NOT BUY ANY DRINKS!!! THEY DONT WORK!!!

synthetic urine = PASS

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Re: Fucking drug test, what are you guys using to get by? [Re: Pilze]
    #626783 - 06/09/12 03:56 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

Drink water. Go on a run 2 days before test. Pee as much as you can before test. Middle stream of your piss.


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Re: Fucking drug test, what are you guys using to get by? [Re: Shr0000ooooms] * 1
    #626784 - 06/09/12 03:59 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

Shr0000ooooms said:
Drink water. Go on a run 2 days before test. Pee as much as you can before test. Middle stream of your piss.





bad advice.


Go with the synthetic urine.


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Re: Fucking drug test, what are you guys using to get by? [Re: Shr0000ooooms]
    #626785 - 06/09/12 03:59 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

yea, that never worked for me and i dont have much body fat. it didnt matter what i did, i could never get myself to piss clean even after drinking more than a gallon of water. i spent over 200 dollars on THC tests to figure out how i could get myself to trick one.

i learned that i cant.

dont rely on the drinks to get you to pass. get the synthetic urine and follow the directions! its already made, it comes with a heat pack. put it the microwave, then put the heatpack on it, strap it to your leg, and go take the test.

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Re: Fucking drug test, what are you guys using to get by? [Re: Pilze]
    #626786 - 06/09/12 04:01 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

Pilze said:
yea, that never worked for me and i dont have much body fat. it didnt matter what i did, i could never get myself to piss clean even after drinking more than a gallon of water. i spent over 200 dollars on THC tests to figure out how i could get myself to trick one.

i learned that i cant.

dont rely on the drinks to get you to pass. get the synthetic urine and follow the directions! its already made, it comes with a heat pack. put it the microwave, then put the heatpack on it, strap it to your leg, and go take the test.




:baaaam:


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Re: Fucking drug test, what are you guys using to get by? [Re: Hawksresurrection]
    #626791 - 06/09/12 05:04 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

Yeah, thats what Ill do. Thanks. Any suggestions on a brand?

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Re: Fucking drug test, what are you guys using to get by? [Re: Shifty]
    #626792 - 06/09/12 05:09 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

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but, since you probably can't get that, but i suggest TRYING



I just googled Marinol and I wouldnt even know how to begin to ask my doc for that.

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Re: Fucking drug test, what are you guys using to get by? [Re: Shifty]
    #626794 - 06/09/12 05:52 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

Any of the brands work.


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Re: Fucking drug test, what are you guys using to get by? [Re: Hawksresurrection] * 1
    #626795 - 06/09/12 06:03 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

i use sobriety.

then again i got people watching me piss.


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See, that term pedo gets thrown around a lot.
Is a 16 year old guy having sex w/a 16 year old girl a pedophile?
If not, then how is a 30 year old considered a pedophile for doing the same thing?
I think y'all need to look up the definition for pedophile.

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Re: Fucking drug test, what are you guys using to get by? [Re: still beLIEve]
    #626796 - 06/09/12 06:10 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

That's why they make those fake dicks..


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Re: Fucking drug test, what are you guys using to get by? [Re: Hawksresurrection] * 1
    #626797 - 06/09/12 06:43 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

Dildos?

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Re: Fucking drug test, what are you guys using to get by? [Re: Hawksresurrection]
    #626798 - 06/09/12 06:48 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

hawksapprentice said:
That's why they make those fake dicks..




nah man, there isnt any getting around the program im in.

trust me, people have tried.

now they're serving out their sentence.


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niteowl said:
See, that term pedo gets thrown around a lot.
Is a 16 year old guy having sex w/a 16 year old girl a pedophile?
If not, then how is a 30 year old considered a pedophile for doing the same thing?
I think y'all need to look up the definition for pedophile.

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Re: Fucking drug test, what are you guys using to get by? [Re: still beLIEve]
    #626799 - 06/09/12 06:53 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

yea they dont fuck around. probation and parole make you show them your dick. pull your pants down and your shirt up, then turn around and piss in a cup.

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Re: Fucking drug test, what are you guys using to get by? [Re: Pilze]
    #626800 - 06/09/12 07:04 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

And I get pissed when the drug test van shows up on the job site with a list of 100 or so names. Then they make every one stand in line for their turn to have their 4th amendment violated. Man that shit pisses me off. Ive got 2 drug tests from 2 different entities to dodge, at least they dont watch. Has anyone ever tried to sue for violation of rights regarding drug tests?

Edited by Shifty (06/09/12 07:05 PM)

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Re: Fucking drug test, what are you guys using to get by? [Re: Pilze]
    #626801 - 06/09/12 07:05 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

im not on probation or parole.

its worse.


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niteowl said:
See, that term pedo gets thrown around a lot.
Is a 16 year old guy having sex w/a 16 year old girl a pedophile?
If not, then how is a 30 year old considered a pedophile for doing the same thing?
I think y'all need to look up the definition for pedophile.

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Re: Fucking drug test, what are you guys using to get by? [Re: Pilze]
    #626802 - 06/09/12 07:06 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

Wow, My friends probation wasn't like that.  They aren't even in the room with me for my diversion.


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Re: Fucking drug test, what are you guys using to get by? [Re: Hawksresurrection]
    #626803 - 06/09/12 07:09 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

At one point in time i was on probation like 2 hours away from where i lived. and the lady let me take drug tests at lab corp and fax her the results. whenever i got around to it.

so i got to take my sweet ass time, hitting up different lab corps till i got the results i was looking for. cuz i paid for it on my own dime and didnt tell them what it was for. i just walked in, took a drug test and then paid for it and the results.

was so awesome.

unfortunately that is not my life today.


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niteowl said:
See, that term pedo gets thrown around a lot.
Is a 16 year old guy having sex w/a 16 year old girl a pedophile?
If not, then how is a 30 year old considered a pedophile for doing the same thing?
I think y'all need to look up the definition for pedophile.

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Re: Fucking drug test, what are you guys using to get by? [Re: Pilze]
    #626804 - 06/09/12 07:17 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

The "fake dick" actually comes with synthetic urine. Its underwear that has a plastic penis shaped tube atached to the strap, basically you can just pull out the tube instead of ur dick. You refill the urine pouch with more synthetic urine.  I had to take drugtests to be on the basket ball team , and the coach was basically looking right at it and didnt say a thing. Prolly thought I had I wierd dick lmao.. Anyway, the shitty part is that the piss pouch is small, so not much comes out. You got to play it off like u didnt need to go atm. BUT that was years ago and I heard a newer version came out.


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Re: Fucking drug test, what are you guys using to get by? [Re: Maestro] * 1
    #626807 - 06/09/12 07:36 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

When someone is looking at your junk, they know if its junk or not.


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Re: Fucking drug test, what are you guys using to get by? [Re: KaptKid] * 1
    #626808 - 06/09/12 07:42 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

I dunno, theyre probably not looking too hard. If you get something floppy and the right colors I could see it passing.

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Re: Fucking drug test, what are you guys using to get by? [Re: Shifty]
    #626809 - 06/09/12 07:50 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

Dude, you've never been on porbation .


Tha fake shit an't gona work.


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Re: Fucking drug test, what are you guys using to get by? [Re: KaptKid]
    #626810 - 06/09/12 07:55 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

Yeah I have but it was 20 years ago. I had to piss but they didnt watch. Im sure it varies county to county/state to state.

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Re: Fucking drug test, what are you guys using to get by? [Re: Shifty]
    #626811 - 06/09/12 09:29 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

you fuck around with P&P you get locked up. no questions asked.

too bad for them i have a MARINOL prescription now. so yea, ill piss dirty for THC. but this time its legal, BITCH.

can't touch this


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Re: Fucking drug test, what are you guys using to get by? [Re: Pilze]
    #626817 - 06/10/12 01:07 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

I just never understood why people submit to urine tests.  Ive always seen that as an invasion of privacy.


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Re: Fucking drug test, what are you guys using to get by? [Re: thelivingfreekshow]
    #626818 - 06/10/12 01:58 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

A lot of people that take them would agree with you.  Not everyone has a choice though.  For me if I didn't I would have jail time and a big fine and a criminal record.  Instead I chose to go through diversion and take random UA's.

For some they want a decent jobs.  And a lot of good jobs, especially union jobs, have random drug testing.


I don't agree with it.  But that's the reality of the world we live in.


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Re: Fucking drug test, what are you guys using to get by? [Re: Hawksresurrection]
    #626827 - 06/10/12 03:44 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

You are right...but if everyone refused them, that reality could change. Ive also heard a few places in addition to your urine, also want your facebook password....where will it end?


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Re: Fucking drug test, what are you guys using to get by? [Re: thelivingfreekshow]
    #626832 - 06/10/12 08:05 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

I don't agree with drug testing generally but if it's for a job that is inherently risky and dangerous for the worker and others then I'm all for it. You don't want a pilot or air traffic controller doing that stuff. However, if it's for someone working in an office or something then who cares as long as it's not affecting job performance.

Two workers at a previous job got caught out by a higher up talking about the pills one sold to the other. He dragged them aside and said he was young once too and that he doesn't care what they do on the weekends but if they start skipping work or having poor performance then he's going to know why. The male worker was happy. The chick thought her privacy was invaded and tried causing shit. However, she was psycho and rude and even pulled a knife on another worker who was hooking up with her. Bitches be crazy!

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Re: Fucking drug test, what are you guys using to get by? [Re: Pilze]
    #626839 - 06/10/12 09:21 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

Pilze said:
you fuck around with P&P you get locked up. no questions asked.

too bad for them i have a MARINOL prescription now. so yea, ill piss dirty for THC. but this time its legal, BITCH.

can't touch this






How do you know they don't have some way to test for something that's in weed but not marinol? I know they have drug tests that can separate Xanax from Valium. Plus, if the volume exceeds what it should from the marinol script they'll lock your shit up for that too.

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Re: Fucking drug test, what are you guys using to get by? [Re: Nothing Is]
    #626844 - 06/10/12 09:37 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

Nothing Is said:
Quote:

Pilze said:
you fuck around with P&P you get locked up. no questions asked.

too bad for them i have a MARINOL prescription now. so yea, ill piss dirty for THC. but this time its legal, BITCH.

can't touch this






How do you know they don't have some way to test for something that's in weed but not marinol? I know they have drug tests that can separate Xanax from Valium. Plus, if the volume exceeds what it should from the marinol script they'll lock your shit up for that too.




for marijuana tests, there isn't a test for anything but THC and it's metabolite, so that makes it impossible for them to determine if it was marinol or marijuana. as for the level in my system, it won't matter. they'll get to the EMIT test and see that im failing for drugs that i am prescribed, legally. if they DID want to spend the money and go gc/ms, the THC level only levels off. they cant prove anything. its medication for me.

ive had cameras down my throat and up my ass throughout the years, i'm sick every morning, i have trouble eating and with nausea, not to mention benzo withdrawal. i've been constantly misdiagnosed, and fed insane drugs by "doctors" which have actually fucked my life up pretty good. IE, being a benzodiazapine addict because doctors said i had anxiety. i really dont give a shit about marijuana laws anymore. if they want to lock me up again for having THC in my system WHILE having a prescription for it, then fuck them. ITS ON WHEN I GET OUT!!!

i'm not going down without a fight. what the fuck is wrong with trying to live a comfortable life NOT on benzos or amphetamines???

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Re: Fucking drug test, what are you guys using to get by? [Re: Pilze]
    #626863 - 06/10/12 11:54 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

Drug tests are why some of my friends stick to psychedelics and obscure drugs because they tend to be uncommon and they are eliminated rather quickly from the body and a company trying to test for every single drug will face prohibitively expensive costs.

It's unfortunate for cannabis smokers that THC is always tested for and takes so long to be completely eliminated from the body, especially when you can get prescriptions for or legal access to worse drugs which will not affect your employment etc and might not help with your medical condition.

FUCK THA PO-LEECE!

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Re: Fucking drug test, what are you guys using to get by? [Re: shanker]
    #626907 - 06/10/12 08:59 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

i wouldnt care if the pilot of my plane was high...or the construction worker operating the crane I drive under everyday on the freeway. If the person isnt inherently stupid, theres no problem. Its a common sense, or stupidity test that should be administered, not a urine test.


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Re: Fucking drug test, what are you guys using to get by? [Re: thelivingfreekshow] * 2
    #626913 - 06/10/12 09:37 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

thelivingfreekshow said:
i wouldnt care if the pilot of my plane was high...or the construction worker operating the crane I drive under everyday on the freeway.





lol get outta here bro


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niteowl said:
See, that term pedo gets thrown around a lot.
Is a 16 year old guy having sex w/a 16 year old girl a pedophile?
If not, then how is a 30 year old considered a pedophile for doing the same thing?
I think y'all need to look up the definition for pedophile.

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Re: Fucking drug test, what are you guys using to get by? [Re: still beLIEve]
    #626917 - 06/10/12 09:52 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

:trololol:


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Re: Fucking drug test, what are you guys using to get by? [Re: Maestro]
    #626938 - 06/10/12 11:59 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

There's so much misinformation in this thread. A drug test from your Union will most likely not be random.

First, and the most important, the testing kits and testing conditions for probation will be different from those of a employer/union. Meaning, if anyone decides it's a good idea to look at your wee-wee at LabCorp, for example, you have the right to tell him to fuck off. Tests for non-criminal analysis are usually a 5 panel test, unless for more physically or/and more dangerous jobs, while tests for probation, you do not have to right to tell the guy to ease his eyes from your cock. BOTH tests detect if the sample is natural by testing temperature, pH, creatine levels(testing dilution), and oxidizing agents(bleach, vinegar, others) that is supposed to "cleanse" your urine. MOST of these practices lead to a false positive, if not FAIL.

There's certain techniques people try to take attempting to pass these tests, but I would only recommend masking and substation for this employer test, basing this only from experience and a lot of research. I would never risk a urinary exam while on probation, if you're not mature enough to be responsible while your freedom is at stake, then you deserve the consequence. Now, I've had family take an extended panel test with a "masked sample". These masking products can be purchased from smut/smoke shops. Like I've mentioned above, these test detect adulterants, but I'm only guessing when I say that there are newer products, different formulas, that do work and has not caught on with UA facilites, or just have yet to implement up-to-date techniques. My family members have passed on more than one occasion and with different brands of the same product at a PROBATION facility. Keep in mind, these products don't mask all drugs, but THC and the metabolites are some of them.

Another way is to get a clean friend or family member of yours to provide you with clean. Just keep it optimal temperature until it's time to turn it in. 92-99 degrees is optimum. How? Use your imagination.



Sorry about your situation. Good luck


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Re: Fucking drug test, what are you guys using to get by? [Re: King Koopa]
    #626970 - 06/11/12 09:32 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

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I would never risk a urinary exam while on probation, if you're not mature enough to be responsible while your freedom is at stake, then you deserve the consequence.




no one deserves to get LOCKED UP for drug use. i dont give a shit if someone is on probation or not. thats a stupid ass comment. go do time and then come out and tell me if you think the same thing.

jackass.

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Re: Fucking drug test, what are you guys using to get by? [Re: Pilze]
    #626971 - 06/11/12 09:36 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

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Pilze said:
Quote:

King Koopa said:
I would never risk a urinary exam while on probation, if you're not mature enough to be responsible while your freedom is at stake, then you deserve the consequence.




no one deserves to get LOCKED UP for drug use. i dont give a shit if someone is on probation or not. thats a stupid ass comment. go do time and then come out and tell me if you think the same thing.

jackass.



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Re: Fucking drug test, what are you guys using to get by? [Re: thelivingfreekshow] * 1
    #626972 - 06/11/12 09:37 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

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thelivingfreekshow said:
You are right...but if everyone refused them, that reality could change. Ive also heard a few places in addition to your urine, also want your facebook password....where will it end?





Ok, when you get offered a job that pays $75,000 a year but you have to pee in a cup in order to get hired, you can tell them to fuck off.

I, on the other hand, will just pee in the cup and take the awesome job.


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Re: Fucking drug test, what are you guys using to get by? [Re: Harry_Ba11sach]
    #627040 - 06/11/12 01:21 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

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thelivingfreekshow said:
You are right...but if everyone refused them, that reality could change. Ive also heard a few places in addition to your urine, also want your facebook password....where will it end?





Ok, when you get offered a job that pays $75,000 a year but you have to pee in a cup in order to get hired, you can tell them to fuck off.

I, on the other hand, will just pee in the cup and take the awesome job.





i would tell them to fuck off. Principles over money, anyday.


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Re: Fucking drug test, what are you guys using to get by? [Re: Pilze] * 1
    #627048 - 06/11/12 03:09 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

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I would never risk a urinary exam while on probation, if you're not mature enough to be responsible while your freedom is at stake, then you deserve the consequence.




no one deserves to get LOCKED UP for drug use. i dont give a shit if someone is on probation or not. thats a stupid ass comment. go do time and then come out and tell me if you think the same thing.

jackass.





Been there, done that and I learned from my mistakes. Not only will I never put myself in a position to get arrested, I will never ever choose probation over time. That said, I didn't mean to offend your personal stance on drug laws, but only the decisions you make to protects your liberties. If a person SIGNS for probation, you submit your liberties to the state in order to avert going to jail. Leading me to the point of my previous post, if you were to dismiss the conditions of probation because you felt the law which you're avoiding is unjust, then YOU, put yourself into a position in which it would be YOUR fault if such conditions would be broken. No one is forced into probation, therefore no one is forced to be drug screened monthly.


I hope that helps you understand why it's stupid to sign for the probation you aren't planning to uphold your end of the deal, not my post.


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Re: Fucking drug test, what are you guys using to get by? [Re: King Koopa]
    #627051 - 06/11/12 03:35 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

i see where you're coming from. everyone plays the game a little differently. they have it. it changes from place to place and situation to situation.

i know a lot of people who violate their SIS probation to go to the DOC and do a little time so they come out on parole. that way every day counts and they cant revoke your shit.

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Re: Fucking drug test, what are you guys using to get by? [Re: Pilze] * 2
    #627058 - 06/11/12 04:34 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

theres quite a few tards in this thread


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See, that term pedo gets thrown around a lot.
Is a 16 year old guy having sex w/a 16 year old girl a pedophile?
If not, then how is a 30 year old considered a pedophile for doing the same thing?
I think y'all need to look up the definition for pedophile.

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Re: Fucking drug test, what are you guys using to get by? [Re: thelivingfreekshow]
    #627060 - 06/11/12 04:47 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

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I would never risk a urinary exam while on probation, if you're not mature enough to be responsible while your freedom is at stake, then you deserve the consequence.




no one deserves to get LOCKED UP for drug use. i dont give a shit if someone is on probation or not. thats a stupid ass comment. go do time and then come out and tell me if you think the same thing.

jackass.





Been there, done that and I learned from my mistakes. Not only will I never put myself in a position to get arrested, I will never ever choose probation over time. That said, I didn't mean to offend your personal stance on drug laws, but only the decisions you make to protects your liberties. If a person SIGNS for probation, you submit your liberties to the state in order to avert going to jail. Leading me to the point of my previous post, if you were to dismiss the conditions of probation because you felt the law which you're avoiding is unjust, then YOU, put yourself into a position in which it would be YOUR fault if such conditions would be broken. No one is forced into probation, therefore no one is forced to be drug screened monthly.


I hope that helps you understand why it's stupid to sign for the probation you aren't planning to uphold your end of the deal, not my post.





Koops you've been making a pile of high quality posts recently. :thumbup:

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No shit.


theres quite a few tards in this thread



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You are right...but if everyone refused them, that reality could change. Ive also heard a few places in addition to your urine, also want your facebook password....where will it end?





Ok, when you get offered a job that pays $75,000 a year but you have to pee in a cup in order to get hired, you can tell them to fuck off.

I, on the other hand, will just pee in the cup and take the awesome job.





i would tell them to fuck off. Principles over money, anyday.





Well when your parents stop paying for rent and gas money for you, come back and talk to me. Quite different when a couple extra bucks actually makes the difference between eating and not.


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Re: Fucking drug test, what are you guys using to get by? [Re: Harry_Ba11sach]
    #627077 - 06/11/12 09:42 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

Im 33 years old, havent lived off "mom and dad" since i was 16, sorry bro. Got a house, a new car and all without anyones help, or by pissing into a cup. I dont even leave my house to go to work, sweet isnt it?


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Re: Fucking drug test, what are you guys using to get by? [Re: thelivingfreekshow]
    #627079 - 06/11/12 09:53 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

pics or it didnt happen


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See, that term pedo gets thrown around a lot.
Is a 16 year old guy having sex w/a 16 year old girl a pedophile?
If not, then how is a 30 year old considered a pedophile for doing the same thing?
I think y'all need to look up the definition for pedophile.

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    #627085 - 06/11/12 10:42 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

I'm afraid that if I ever get caught for possessing and/or growing shrooms that I will be put in a position where I won't have access to the only medicine that works when other medicine won't and I will be forced to live in excruciating suicidal chronic pain.

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Re: Fucking drug test, what are you guys using to get by? [Re: still beLIEve]
    #627454 - 06/13/12 06:23 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

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pics or it didnt happen




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Re: Fucking drug test, what are you guys using to get by? [Re: Shifty]
    #627458 - 06/13/12 06:27 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

Dude

I didn't even read the replies in this thread, because I KNOW what works...

All you need is 48 hours of sobriety

Buy one of those "cleansing" drinks from GNC.

Don't mention that you're taking a test or they won't sell you the shit.

Drink it in the morning on the day of the test.

Keep drinking water.

Piss like 4-6 times before you go to take the test.

Then, give a mid stream sample.

Shit works, dawg. Did it for gubbment tests and passed every time.


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Re: Fucking drug test, what are you guys using to get by? [Re: m00nshine]
    #627460 - 06/13/12 06:33 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

That's kind of the same thing I was talking about, except I got it from the stoner store.

I think it was 3 days.


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Re: Fucking drug test, what are you guys using to get by? [Re: m00nshine]
    #627461 - 06/13/12 06:35 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

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Dude

I didn't even read the replies in this thread, because I KNOW what works...

All you need is 48 hours of sobriety

Buy one of those "cleansing" drinks from GNC.

Don't mention that you're taking a test or they won't sell you the shit.

Drink it in the morning on the day of the test.

Keep drinking water.

Piss like 4-6 times before you go to take the test.

Then, give a mid stream sample.

Shit works, dawg. Did it for gubbment tests and passed every time.




bad advice bro

all tests are different.

shit sure as hell wouldn't work on my tests.

all those drinks do is give you b vitamins to turn your piss yellow, creatin to make sure your levels are still ok, and shit tons of fluid to dilute your screen.

seeing as a lot of tests look for dilutions, your method would not work for all of them.


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See, that term pedo gets thrown around a lot.
Is a 16 year old guy having sex w/a 16 year old girl a pedophile?
If not, then how is a 30 year old considered a pedophile for doing the same thing?
I think y'all need to look up the definition for pedophile.

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Re: Fucking drug test, what are you guys using to get by? [Re: still beLIEve]
    #627464 - 06/13/12 06:41 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

I don't think so.

It worked for me every time, without fail.

And these were tests I was taking for probation.

One would assume that the state tests would be the hardest to pass, but admittedly I don't know. It's the only time in my life that I've been tested, aside from tests for jahbs.

I stand by what I said.

What kind of tests are you taking? Follicle or some shit? I don't see why my method wouldn't work for you.


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Re: Fucking drug test, what are you guys using to get by? [Re: m00nshine]
    #627469 - 06/13/12 07:14 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

STOP SMOKING :shrug:


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Re: Fucking drug test, what are you guys using to get by? [Re: m00nshine]
    #627473 - 06/13/12 07:21 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

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Dude

I didn't even read the replies in this thread, because I KNOW what works...

All you need is 48 hours of sobriety

Buy one of those "cleansing" drinks from GNC.

Don't mention that you're taking a test or they won't sell you the shit.

Drink it in the morning on the day of the test.

Keep drinking water.

Piss like 4-6 times before you go to take the test.

Then, give a mid stream sample.

Shit works, dawg. Did it for gubbment tests and passed every time.




this is what kids who have no idea what theyre talking about say.

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Re: Fucking drug test, what are you guys using to get by? [Re: Pilze]
    #627476 - 06/13/12 07:36 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

:whatever:

My method has worked for me every time, 100%.

Every time I took a test my piss was diluted as fuck and that never showed up on any test.

Keep reading shit online and think you actually know something LMAO


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    #627477 - 06/13/12 07:40 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

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:whatever:

My method has worked for me every time, 100%.

Every time I took a test my piss was diluted as fuck and that never showed up on any test.

Keep reading shit online and think you actually know something LMAO



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Re: Fucking drug test, what are you guys using to get by? [Re: m00nshine]
    #627479 - 06/13/12 07:47 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

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m00nshine said:
:whatever:

My method has worked for me every time, 100%.

Every time I took a test my piss was diluted as fuck and that never showed up on any test.

Keep reading shit online and think you actually know something LMAO




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this is what kids who have no idea what theyre talking about say.



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Re: Fucking drug test, what are you guys using to get by? [Re: Pilze]
    #627484 - 06/13/12 08:26 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

One of these with bleach in it shoved in the hole that the string comes out of on a pair of sweats.


Use one drop and no more. Use more then one drop and one of two things is gonna happen. They find the bleach or in my case you give the sample of somebody who is clinically dead. (Yeah my po was way fucking pissed on this one. Cost me 3 months) :facepalm:


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Re: Fucking drug test, what are you guys using to get by? [Re: m00nshine]
    #627494 - 06/13/12 09:39 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

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I don't think so.

It worked for me every time, without fail.

And these were tests I was taking for probation.

One would assume that the state tests would be the hardest to pass, but admittedly I don't know. It's the only time in my life that I've been tested, aside from tests for jahbs.

I stand by what I said.

What kind of tests are you taking? Follicle or some shit? I don't see why my method wouldn't work for you.




its for sure true, its not really up for debate.

im not saying it didnt work for you, and cant work for some people.

but to say that THIS IS WHAT WORKS, is just not true.


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See, that term pedo gets thrown around a lot.
Is a 16 year old guy having sex w/a 16 year old girl a pedophile?
If not, then how is a 30 year old considered a pedophile for doing the same thing?
I think y'all need to look up the definition for pedophile.

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Re: Fucking drug test, what are you guys using to get by? [Re: still beLIEve]
    #627608 - 06/14/12 08:48 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

I guess you're right; not all tests are the same.

I actually took the time to read this thread yesterday and will agree that synthetic urine is probably your best bet.

I just wanted to share what has worked for me.


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Re: Fucking drug test, what are you guys using to get by? [Re: m00nshine]
    #628133 - 06/16/12 11:36 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

I might have to do a drug test soon...

can they detect its synthetic urine (job drug test)?

so the flush drinks are garbage ?

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Re: Fucking drug test, what are you guys using to get by? [Re: P-O]
    #628160 - 06/17/12 06:27 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

flush drinks are as simple as take b vitamins, creatine and drink a lot of fluids, save 30$

synthetic urine is good as far as i know


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See, that term pedo gets thrown around a lot.
Is a 16 year old guy having sex w/a 16 year old girl a pedophile?
If not, then how is a 30 year old considered a pedophile for doing the same thing?
I think y'all need to look up the definition for pedophile.

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Re: Fucking drug test, what are you guys using to get by? [Re: P-O]
    #628167 - 06/17/12 09:24 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

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I might have to do a drug test soon...

can they detect its synthetic urine (job drug test)?

so the flush drinks are garbage ?




DO NOT GET A DRINK!!! thats spending money to fuck up a test. spend money on synthetic urine. labs can NOT tell its fake!!! perfect pH, gravity, creatinine level, etc. you cant go wrong, unless you get the temp too hot or too cool. but its pretty easy. get some tight workout shorts to wear so you can keep the bottle tucked next to your balls.

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Re: Fucking drug test, what are you guys using to get by? [Re: Pilze] * 2
    #628257 - 06/17/12 09:45 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Drink worked for me :shrug:


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Re: Fucking drug test, what are you guys using to get by? [Re: Harry_Ba11sach]
    #628344 - 06/18/12 05:14 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

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Drink worked for me :shrug:




Yeah, they worked for me like 10 times I think.

It helps when you follow the directions....


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Re: Fucking drug test, what are you guys using to get by? [Re: m00nshine]
    #628367 - 06/18/12 08:38 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Go in the bathroom and turn on the hot water and steam all the thc out of your skin and then get outside and run five miles keep exercising hardcore but dont exercise the day before your test and drink hell of cranberry juice and all day before your test continue to hydrate heavily and you'll pass - i know dis i passed a military drug test in four days and they sent that shit to a lab to analyze it

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Re: Fucking drug test, what are you guys using to get by? [Re: birdbrain92]
    #628368 - 06/18/12 08:47 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Or an easier method you could use, is have somebody piss in a pill bottle for you at least an hour before your test, wear boxer briefs they have a secret pocket by your dick

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Re: Fucking drug test, what are you guys using to get by? [Re: birdbrain92]
    #628370 - 06/18/12 08:49 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Lastly i wanted to mention they arent allowed to watch your fluid leave your body as a civilian you have a right to your own privacy

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Re: Fucking drug test, what are you guys using to get by? [Re: birdbrain92] * 1
    #628416 - 06/19/12 09:06 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

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Go in the bathroom and turn on the hot water and steam all the thc out of your skin and then get outside and run five miles keep exercising hardcore but dont exercise the day before your test and drink hell of cranberry juice and all day before your test continue to hydrate heavily and you'll pass - i know dis i passed a military drug test in four days and they sent that shit to a lab to analyze it




They send ALL piss tests to a lab to analyze it. That's where analysis gets done. What did you think, that they just taste it and go "Oh yeah, he's clean."?

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Lastly i wanted to mention they arent allowed to watch your fluid leave your body as a civilian you have a right to your own privacy





This is not true. Your constitutional right to privacy completely doesn't apply here.  You're applying for a job with a private institution, you're more than welcome to exercise your right to privacy and NOT pee into the cup, but then you won't get the job.  You however can waive those rights in the pursuit of employment. You can NOT choose to pee into the cup, but tell them how you want to do it because of privacy.
  I'm constantly amazed at how my friends in the military spout off American laws and ethics like they're Harvard law scholars, but don't actually have a grasp on what the rights really entail.


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Re: Fucking drug test, what are you guys using to get by? [Re: Harry_Ba11sach]
    #628538 - 06/20/12 12:28 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

They send ALL piss tests to a lab to analyze it. That's where analysis gets done. What did you think, that they just taste it and go "Oh yeah, he's clean."?                        - Dude you dont know what your talking about! Majority of drug test's administered don't get sent to the lab. Only government jobs have to get their piss closely examined. And you totally misinterpreted what i was saying by "they cant watch the fluid leave your body" I didnt say anything about refusing a drug test idiot obviously they wouldn't hire someone in that situation. What i was saying is when they are giving you the drug test, they are not allowed to watch the piss come out of your dick unless your in the gay military which then they have the authority to/  Make sense of known facts before you go on to criticize what your completely misinformed and incorrect about

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Re: Fucking drug test, what are you guys using to get by? [Re: birdbrain92]
    #628547 - 06/20/12 01:43 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)



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    #628607 - 06/20/12 03:43 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

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They send ALL piss tests to a lab to analyze it. That's where analysis gets done. What did you think, that they just taste it and go "Oh yeah, he's clean."?                        - Dude you dont know what your talking about! Majority of drug test's administered don't get sent to the lab. Only government jobs have to get their piss closely examined. And you totally misinterpreted what i was saying by "they cant watch the fluid leave your body" I didnt say anything about refusing a drug test idiot obviously they wouldn't hire someone in that situation. What i was saying is when they are giving you the drug test, they are not allowed to watch the piss come out of your dick unless your in the gay military which then they have the authority to/  Make sense of known facts before you go on to criticize what your completely misinformed and incorrect about





Wrong on all counts again, friend. I think you're just not familiar with the common definition of a lab. Anywhere analysis is done is legally registered as a lab. It HAS to be. You literally can NOT get chemical analysis done outside a lab, due to the definition of the word.


And as for the urine leaving your body. Yes. Yes they can watch. And they will if they want to. And if you want to protest it, they will simply say "Your choice, pee in this cup, or you don't get the job."

And then you whip it out and pee, with them standing there. Or you don't get the job.


Edited to say: it's very unlikely that for an employment screening you will be subjected to scrutiny of that magnitude, but the point is that they CAN if they want to.  For probation or similar situations, it's more likely.


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Re: Fucking drug test, what are you guys using to get by? [Re: Harry_Ba11sach]
    #628612 - 06/20/12 04:07 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

I had a friend who they watched him piss for just a job.  Shameful shit.


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Re: Fucking drug test, what are you guys using to get by? [Re: Hawksresurrection]
    #628615 - 06/20/12 04:22 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Yup, it's supid, but they can do it.


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Re: Fucking drug test, what are you guys using to get by? [Re: Harry_Ba11sach]
    #628637 - 06/20/12 05:37 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

When I was on probation they watched me while I gave them my sample.

However, whenever I took a test for employment, they never watched me.

I'll always recommend the drink; it has always worked for me.


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Re: Fucking drug test, what are you guys using to get by? [Re: m00nshine]
    #628641 - 06/20/12 06:01 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

so they would watch the piss come out for your dick?  or just stand behind you?

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Re: Fucking drug test, what are you guys using to get by? [Re: P-O]
    #628663 - 06/20/12 07:38 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

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so they would watch the piss come out for your dick?  or just stand behind you?




it depends on the fucking situation and the personality of the person

sometimes they take a side view and watch the piss come right out of your fucking dick or even your cunt if you have one

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Re: Fucking drug test, what are you guys using to get by? [Re: P-O]
    #628665 - 06/20/12 07:40 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

They watched the piss come out of my dick.

Their bathroom had mirrors on all of the walls.

They would either stare directly at my junk or view it from the mirror, depending on which CO was watching me.

Don't get arrested, it sucks :lol:


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Re: Fucking drug test, what are you guys using to get by? [Re: m00nshine]
    #628688 - 06/20/12 11:02 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

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Don't get arrested, it sucks :lol:





:yesnod:  Hell Yes


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Re: Fucking drug test, what are you guys using to get by? [Re: KaptKid]
    #628812 - 06/21/12 09:22 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Certo worked for me.
Once a month for 3 years.


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