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Sexing Plants with CFL over HPS matter when discussing time? * 1
    #604177 - 01/06/12 06:01 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

When sexing plants does it matter to use CFL over HPS when time is of the essence?:syringe::mushroom2:

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Re: Sexing Plants with CFL over HPS matter when discussing time? [Re: encryptor] * 1
    #604180 - 01/06/12 06:50 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

I use fluors for sexing mine, less heat.

But to answer your question, no it does not matter.

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Re: Sexing Plants with CFL over HPS matter when discussing time? [Re: KaptKid] * 1
    #604188 - 01/06/12 07:25 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

I dunno. wouldn't the change in spectrum trigger it a little faster? it might be by a negligible amount but a question worth asking...


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Re: Sexing Plants with CFL over HPS matter when discussing time? [Re: RasJeph] * 1
    #604189 - 01/06/12 07:53 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Its always worth knowing more. someone in the know jump in.


This is just for sexing.Maybe not the best light but put under 12/12 and they will show sex.


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Re: Sexing Plants with CFL over HPS matter when discussing time? [Re: KaptKid] * 1
    #604229 - 01/07/12 08:00 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

I'm not too versed in the warm spectrum CFL bulbs as I only really veg under them, but I'm sure HPS is a closer spectrum to that of natural light than the CFLs are.

It would certainly be a neat experiment, but a tough one to remove all the variables from...unless you were working with clones I suppose.

I'm willing to bet its about the same. Maybe a few days, maximum, but not enough of a difference to make a huge effort for. If it was, I feel like we would have heard something about it by now.

If anything, I'd say use the CFLs to save the life of your HPS bulb :lol:


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Re: Sexing Plants with CFL over HPS matter when discussing time? [Re: RasJeph] * 1
    #604233 - 01/07/12 09:14 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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If anything, I'd say use the CFLs to save the life of your HPS bulb :lol:






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Re: Sexing Plants with CFL over HPS matter when discussing time? [Re: encryptor] * 1
    #604245 - 01/07/12 11:07 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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When sexing plants does it matter to use CFL over HPS when time is of the essence?:syringe::mushroom2:




If time is truly an issue just stick with the hps.  It will stress them a little going back and forth from cfl to hps.  The 2 weeks you'll be running the bigger lamp is negligible really. Your plants will thank you. Stick with the hps.

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Re: Sexing Plants with CFL over HPS matter when discussing time? [Re: Farmer Joe] * 1
    #604255 - 01/07/12 01:41 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

You mean use CFL? I assume hes vegging under CFL not HPS.


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Re: Sexing Plants with CFL over HPS matter when discussing time? [Re: RasJeph] * 1
    #604281 - 01/07/12 05:10 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

nah. I'm for just running the hps. the plants will obviously grow at much faster rate. I guess what it really boils down to is how much time the op has. if their is a specific window of time....run the hps as soon as possible.

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Re: Sexing Plants with CFL over HPS matter when discussing time? [Re: Farmer Joe] * 1
    #604283 - 01/07/12 05:13 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

i agree with rasjah the redder spectrum will prob help out getting the plant to turn sexier. wether thats hps or with the warm CFL. but the HPS will make the plants grow faster so maybe that will make them sexier the fastest..  dunno

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Re: Sexing Plants with CFL over HPS matter when discussing time? [Re: the man] * 1
    #604337 - 01/08/12 08:08 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

all great info friends!  I would never go back to CFL once gone HPS.  If anything I'd take 2 clones of the plant before sexing, keep those clones under the CLF while sexing the mother under HPS. I believe it's approximately 2 weeks before sex on a HPS.  I never tried with CFLs but it makes sense to keep heat level low, energy cost low, preserve lifespan of expensive HPS bulbs.  Anyone sex after the 1st 2 sets of leaves, basically still a very young plant?  Will these get up to 1 or 2 feet when introduced to a bigger pot and HPS light?

this info makes me reconsider my objective, which is to control odor as long as possible.  So I'm thinking less growth under CFL (vs HPS) during sexing period would translate to less of a problem with odor.  Then i throw away the male plants.:syringe::mushroom2:

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Re: Sexing Plants with CFL over HPS matter when discussing time? [Re: encryptor] * 1
    #604723 - 01/10/12 02:42 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

I dont know if this is the place to ask but this thread seemed close, if the flowering time for a plant is 6-8 weeks would it be a bad idea use florescents for the first couple weeks or a full month before getting a larger hps or mh after you switch to 12/12 lighting?

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Re: Sexing Plants with CFL over HPS matter when discussing time? [Re: Steve Buscemi] * 1
    #604724 - 01/10/12 02:50 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

No, more power would mean the buds would way more.
Don't think I'd wait a month. Maybe 2 weeks.


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Re: Sexing Plants with CFL over HPS matter when discussing time? [Re: KaptKid] * 1
    #604725 - 01/10/12 03:08 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Cool I figured the weight was gained at the the end of flowering but I guess not. I thought using flos led to leafier buds.

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Re: Sexing Plants with CFL over HPS matter when discussing time? [Re: Steve Buscemi] * 1
    #604731 - 01/10/12 03:45 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Flors make pop corn bud. Light and airy.


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Re: Sexing Plants with CFL over HPS matter when discussing time? [Re: Steve Buscemi] * 1
    #604732 - 01/10/12 04:20 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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Cool I figured the weight was gained at the the end of flowering but I guess not. I thought using flos led to leafier buds.





Most of the weight IS gained at the end of flowering.  Regardless of whether your using flos or HID.


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Re: Sexing Plants with CFL over HPS matter when discussing time? [Re: Hawksresurrection] * 1
    #604733 - 01/10/12 04:29 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

So using a flo for the first half of your flowing time wouldn't be a very big difference to the plants weight but the buds would be more airy?
Side note: would using a bud denser like Gravity help this situation?

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Re: Sexing Plants with CFL over HPS matter when discussing time? [Re: Steve Buscemi] * 1
    #604738 - 01/10/12 04:51 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Your wrong on both counts.  While the weight is put on more during the latter stages of flower development, your first four weeks are going to put in a foot print for how much bud you will end up with.  If you give them a small amount of light in the first half of their growth then you end up with a smaller amount in the end of flowering.  Now would you get more with with flowering half with cfls and half with HID, sure.  But not as much as you would if you used and HID during the whole process.


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Re: Sexing Plants with CFL over HPS matter when discussing time? [Re: Hawksresurrection] * 1
    #604740 - 01/10/12 04:56 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Thanks cool.

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Re: Sexing Plants with CFL over HPS matter when discussing time? [Re: Steve Buscemi] * 1
    #604855 - 01/11/12 03:52 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah, I used to use Gravity but that shit is dangerous. I hate that I spent $30 on a bottle of it and now I'm going to throw it out because I don't want anyone ingesting that shit.

http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=221650

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scared me away from it.

I still use their snowstorm because I honestly believe that one is a good product, but if I knew of another additive that would work just as well I'd drop it in a heart beat because thats sketchy bad vibes shit and I dislike supporting their company now.


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Re: Sexing Plants with CFL over HPS matter when discussing time? [Re: RasJeph] * 1
    #604877 - 01/11/12 06:01 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

all good info.  for the most heaviest buds, probably best to start 12/12 with a HPS bulb.

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Re: Sexing Plants with CFL over HPS matter when discussing time? [Re: encryptor] * 1
    #824587 - 03/10/17 08:59 PM (7 years, 19 days ago)

I use a Metal halide for the first 3 weeks of flower it's slows the stretch and keeps bud sites close forming denser colas, after that put in you HPS.  I use T5 for veg.

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Re: Sexing Plants with CFL over HPS matter when discussing time? [Re: Tetracan420] * 1
    #824596 - 03/11/17 06:18 AM (7 years, 19 days ago)

Well let's just throw this out there, every grow op I've been a part of that's over 15-20 lights doesn't even fuck with MH.  It's HPS ort DE

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Re: Sexing Plants with CFL over HPS matter when discussing time? [Re: Hawksresurrection] * 1
    #824605 - 03/11/17 09:51 AM (7 years, 19 days ago)

http://www.cannabisculture.com/content/2002/01/09/2243

Decided to research what you said and basically MH is only good for displaying plants so I'm going to stop spending a lot of money on MH bulbs now. Thanks Hawk

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Re: Sexing Plants with CFL over HPS matter when discussing time? [Re: Tetracan420] * 1
    #824655 - 03/13/17 03:15 AM (7 years, 17 days ago)

Don't get me wrong, its fine for veg, but in reality it's just an added expense that's unnecessary.  If people want to switch between them, more power to em.  I just don't see any point in spending more money when it really doesn't give you a better yield.


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Re: Sexing Plants with CFL over HPS matter when discussing time? [Re: Hawksresurrection] * 1
    #824660 - 03/13/17 08:52 AM (7 years, 17 days ago)

That's good to know, I'll stop wasting money on them in future grows. :pipesmoke:


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Re: Sexing Plants with CFL over HPS matter when discussing time? [Re: Data] * 1
    #824661 - 03/13/17 09:00 AM (7 years, 17 days ago)

I use 400W Mh to veg my plants then Flip to hps for flower. Works great for me ?:wellidunno:

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Re: Sexing Plants with CFL over HPS matter when discussing time? [Re: budgrowerwannabe] * 1
    #824663 - 03/13/17 09:06 AM (7 years, 17 days ago)

And like I said, that's totally fine.  It's not hurting anything.  It just isn't completely necessary.


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Re: Sexing Plants with CFL over HPS matter when discussing time? [Re: Hawksresurrection] * 1
    #824675 - 03/13/17 03:36 PM (7 years, 17 days ago)

So this is new to me also. An cool/great to know.
So are we going to jump out and say that t5's then may be the
Most cost efficient and most suitable means to veg?
If you aren't gonna hps all the way thru I mean....
Guess I wanna know the smartest way to veg,
sans mh if it's basically a useless piece of equipment.
Bang for buck? Guess it'd be t5 4/5000k but the hps would do more work but typically costs more and is a bigger issue to cool...
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Re: Sexing Plants with CFL over HPS matter when discussing time? [Re: ashfiken] * 1
    #824689 - 03/13/17 09:27 PM (7 years, 16 days ago)

MH useless, now that's rich.
Those only worried hlgher yeiIds would believe this.  And I'll admit it works for them.  But that doesn't mean it's best for the plant's health.  When growing For max yeiId you generaly sacrtfice quality.

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Re: Sexing Plants with CFL over HPS matter when discussing time? [Re: Stoneth] * 1
    #824720 - 03/14/17 06:51 PM (7 years, 16 days ago)

please explain when convenient.. I'd simply like to know what Is most effective..
Rosenthal claims they actually lack blue vs hps and hps of course has other peaks also...
It's interesting and then plant health under t5's any different?

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Re: Sexing Plants with CFL over HPS matter when discussing time? [Re: ashfiken] * 1
    #824725 - 03/14/17 08:35 PM (7 years, 15 days ago)

Who said useless?  I said that they aren't really necessary in growing.  And professional growers don't use them.  They are using HPS mixed with DE.


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Re: Sexing Plants with CFL over HPS matter when discussing time? [Re: Hawksresurrection] * 1
    #824783 - 03/15/17 07:07 PM (7 years, 15 days ago)

If you follow the link above, the other guy posted..
It ends up with rosenthal claiming that they (mh) are only good for "display" meaning, his claim is, that mh is a useless part of the equation.. I feel like that is inaccurate, tho. Knowing the blue put out by mh much more noticeable, I dunno except that hps produces a bit more light in general..

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Re: Sexing Plants with CFL over HPS matter when discussing time? [Re: ashfiken] * 1
    #824784 - 03/15/17 07:09 PM (7 years, 15 days ago)

Hps mixed with de? Isn't de; double ended? And aren't double ended lights hps?
Huh? What is de if not?

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Re: Sexing Plants with CFL over HPS matter when discussing time? [Re: ashfiken] * 1
    #824786 - 03/15/17 07:15 PM (7 years, 15 days ago)

DE are a type of HPS.  Different than your traditional HPS.  We need to separate single ended and double ended when talking  about HPS, as they are two entirely different beasts.  Most professional growers that have a mix of DE and HPS are usually just slowly transferring over to DE, as they have been reporting increased yields with DE over traditional HPS.


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    #824787 - 03/15/17 07:17 PM (7 years, 15 days ago)

Ahh ok ok I see.
I still like my mh for veg mang for sure.
Think pros go all hps just for ease?

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Re: Sexing Plants with CFL over HPS matter when discussing time? [Re: ashfiken] * 1
    #824788 - 03/15/17 07:30 PM (7 years, 15 days ago)

Of course, why would you want to change over 60 some odd lights just to get a fraction of different growth during veg?  It's just impractical and doesn't give you any real benefits in the end.  Although if you are running that many lights, some growers will throw in a MH every four or five lights to broaden the spectrum, but it's not really needed.


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Re: Sexing Plants with CFL over HPS matter when discussing time? [Re: Hawksresurrection] * 1
    #824792 - 03/15/17 09:19 PM (7 years, 14 days ago)

I guess it comes down to personal preference. I use 1000watt HPS to bud. vegging with the T5 would be most cost effective. I mean why use all the hydro 1000watt MH requires just for 3 weeks of veg. I'd rather use my T5s for 5 weeks instead. I guess it also depends if you have a separate space to veg.

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    #824796 - 03/15/17 10:06 PM (7 years, 14 days ago)

Well you would have faster growth with a more powerful light.  So less time in veg....


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    #824817 - 03/16/17 09:04 AM (7 years, 14 days ago)

I do agree, however I like to harvest every 10 weeks and Thats how long my bud cycle really takes even if the label says 8. So I would need 2 weeks 18 hours and then flip putting me back 2 weeks. Or I can sprout seeds when they are 5 weeks old and veg until their ready to go into bud. By the time their ready to go into bud my t5s has them ready. But yes the larger light would make them grow bigger faster. The only reason I had the MH is because I read something along time ago saying that it slows down the stretch I used it for the first 3 weeks of bud to try keeping bud sites close together, I've adopted new techniques since that time so I figure I'll stop buying MH bulbs not saying everyone else should do the same this is just what works for me.

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