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 OrgoneConclusion
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 My 3w Grow 
#596929 - 11/14/11 08:39 PM (12 years, 5 months ago) |
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I see so many baby plants vegged under huge lights or like 5-6 or more 23w CLFs, when that is hardly necessary. And then the same people talk about GPW... 
People did not believe the huge plant I vegged with a single 23w CFL, when this is way more impressive.
Here is my widdle 8" X 8" A-Train vegged under a single 3w cool white LED. Yes, one 3W light with nothing else. The hull wouldn't come off and it was nearly dead and I was ready to toss it, but it made a full recovery and is a happy camper. 
Think I am lying? A standard CFL radiates in almost a 360 degree radius. This is a 30 degree LED thus the beam is concentrated 12 times and since it has 50% more LPW, that is 18 times the concentration of a comparable CFL.
Will probably flip in one more week. I am going to attempt to flower with an absolute minimum of watts and still get an acceptable harvest to see what is possible. I might have to go as high as 18w. 
Edited by OrgoneConclusion (11/14/11 08:51 PM)
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aljeezzy
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how many watts is the sun?
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 Re: My 3w Grow [Re: aljeezzy]
#596938 - 11/14/11 08:55 PM (12 years, 5 months ago) |
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aljeezzy said:
how many watts is the sun?
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The Sun produces energy at the mass to energy conversion rate of 4.26 million metric tons per second, or 384.6 yottawatts (3.846×1026 W), or 9.192 × 1010 megatons of TNT per second.
Edit: some of those things are supposed to be exponents but didn't copy pasta well. First result in google search for a more accurate representation of my answer lol.
@OP - Very nice  I veg with 150w of CFL and always thought it was a little excessive. Now I know.
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OrgoneConclusion
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Re: My 3w Grow [Re: aljeezzy]
#596939 - 11/14/11 08:56 PM (12 years, 5 months ago) |
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I am the only member here qualified to use a Search Engine.
The Sun produces energy at the mass to energy conversion rate of 4.26 million metric tons per second, or 384.6 yottawatts (3.846×1026 W), or 9.192 × 1010 megatons of TNT per second.
That's a yotta watts!
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aljeezzy
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good 3w starter! so did you wire it up to a phonecharger or something??? do they sell prewired chrismas tree leds too???
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Quote:
OrgoneConclusion said:
I see so many baby plants vegged under huge lights or like 5-6 or more 23w CLFs, when that is hardly necessary. And then the same people talk about GPW...
People did not believe the huge plant I vegged with a single 23w CFL, when this is way more impressive.
Here is my widdle 8" X 8" A-Train vegged under a single 3w cool white LED. Yes, one 3W light with nothing else. The hull wouldn't come off and it was nearly dead and I was ready to toss it, but it made a full recovery and is a happy camper.
Think I am lying? A standard CFL radiates in almost a 360 degree radius. This is a 30 degree LED thus the beam is concentrated 12 times and since it has 50% more LPW, that is 18 times the concentration of a comparable CFL.
Will probably flip in one more week. I am going to attempt to flower with an absolute minimum of watts and still get an acceptable harvest to see what is possible. I might have to go as high as 18w.
So how old is this plant?
An what in your opinion is an acceptable harvest?
You're starting to get me interested, I just want some more details.
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OrgoneConclusion
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Re: My 3w Grow [Re: aljeezzy]
#596943 - 11/14/11 09:13 PM (12 years, 5 months ago) |
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And thus why I rarely post here to share new things. I am a scientist and engineer first and a grower second. When there is understanding there is no need to grope in the dark with hit or miss techniques.
I showed how to double the size of your plants with cheap electro-stim. No interest.
I showed how to grow in 24 hours of light DURING FLOWERING. No interest.
I have many ideas to take growing to the next level.
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Re: My 3w Grow [Re: Stoneth]
#596945 - 11/14/11 09:24 PM (12 years, 5 months ago) |
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I won't lie about the age, it is almost 5 weeks because of the early damage. It was stunted and almost dead and only a little over 1" at 3 weeks. Her brothers and sisters started the same day are at 18-28" under my large DIY LED. But once it got healthy it took off like lightning - and you can see it is neary picture perfect. The damaged leaf is from being FIMMED once.
The sole key is that almost all of the light is hitting the plant. No need for reflectors. Dig up almost any picture of your own or another growers early veg and you will see 90% of the light missing the plants.
What is acceptable? I have a whole 'nother grow to provide my needs so I am making this first experiment up as I go along. Basically, I am going to let the plant tell me how much it needs. Of course, if it is male - well I will probably still flower it just to finish the experiment.
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Stoneth
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Quote:
OrgoneConclusion said:
I showed how to grow in 24 hours of light DURING FLOWERING. No interest.
Links please!
To my knowledge only auto-flowers flower under greater than 16 hrs of light.
I'm curious.
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OrgoneConclusion
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When I get the time, I will post a photo of a white wall being lit up by the 3w LED vs. a 23w CFL from the same distance. There is no comparison. None. The CLF light, even using a quality reflector, is scattered all over. The LED pattern is nice and tight.
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Re: My 3w Grow [Re: Stoneth]
#596950 - 11/14/11 09:39 PM (12 years, 5 months ago) |
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It was on another site that I no longer frequent.
Because flowering is only triggered by the photo-period of red, I run my blue LEDS 24 hours and my plants do not revert to veg. I am going to amend to add some violet (not UV) and green to balance it out.
Obviously, it does not flower as well at night as during full day spectrum, but it performs way better than 12 hours of dark.
Unfortunately, I only have one grow space else I would do a side-by-side to demonstrate the superiority.
My night light is only 20% the output of my day light and is only run for an additional 12 hours so increased yield is about 8% and not the expected 10% or a little less than proportional due to the limited spectrum.
Also my future night light will be a separate full wattage light.
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aljeezzy
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one grow space? why don't you get 2 spaces and grow um side by side? nobody is gonna believe you if you dont have a test and a separate control. most people here don't know what L.E.D. stands for, they aren't going to even be able to comprehend spectrum talk. everyone needs a full layman's writeup
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Re: My 3w Grow [Re: aljeezzy]
#596991 - 11/15/11 03:43 AM (12 years, 5 months ago) |
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Looks healthy for a 3w led... wonder what a healthy plant from the get go would do on a 3w led and how much bigger it would be than this one..
Edited by phrostbyte (11/15/11 03:43 AM)
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OrgoneConclusion
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I think it would be the same just a lot sooner. Because of the stall I sort of consider this at 2-3 weeks. As to how big it can get on this amount of light - stay tuned.
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Re: My 3w Grow [Re: aljeezzy]
#597050 - 11/15/11 01:58 PM (12 years, 5 months ago) |
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Edited by ninja cat 09 (11/16/11 02:24 PM)
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Re: My 3w Grow [Re: aljeezzy]
#597163 - 11/16/11 01:21 PM (12 years, 5 months ago) |
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aljeezzy said:
one grow space? why don't you get 2 spaces and grow um side by side? nobody is gonna believe you if you dont have a test and a separate control. most people here don't know what L.E.D. stands for, they aren't going to even be able to comprehend spectrum talk. everyone needs a full layman's writeup
Why would he change his way of doing things just to prove himself right??? Why not assert his claims, and allow someone else to prove him wrong. its not his responsibility to show you how to be a better grower. Do your own work & research, and you'll find out for yourself if he's right or wrong.
Anyone here who DOESN'T know what LED stands for should log off now, since they probably aren't old enough for this site.
Not everyone needs a layman's writeup. If you do your research, you'll understand all the terms he used, and if now, you can always ask.
All in all, man. You should really stfu and gtfo or try learning something instead of spouting assinine garbage.
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aljeezzy
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Re: My 3w Grow [Re: Tank333]
#597167 - 11/16/11 01:54 PM (12 years, 5 months ago) |
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you're right.
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wire5
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Re: My 3w Grow [Re: aljeezzy]
#597543 - 11/19/11 10:28 AM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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Although I do have to say I would love to read a side by side comparison. LOL
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In order to grow good weed you need to be part carpenter, electrician, plumber, biologist, geneticist, chemist, and very willing to get dirty.
I've been working with power tools since I was 8, my dad is an electrical engineer who owned a 280 gal fish tank, and I studied biology with a specialty in genetics. Getting dirty comes naturally. I think my parents inadvertently trained me to be a weed grower.
See what you think on my first try.
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Re: My 3w Grow [Re: wire5]
#597550 - 11/19/11 11:33 AM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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wire5 said:
Although I do have to say I would love to read a side by side comparison. LOL
I'd like that too with pics lol I'm currently exploring my options for my mom/vedge/clone area as i don't want to use HID's because of heat buildup. So i'll be watching this thread.
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phrostbyte
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HempMaster said:
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wire5 said:
Although I do have to say I would love to read a side by side comparison. LOL
I'd like that too with pics lol I'm currently exploring my options for my mom/vedge/clone area as i don't want to use HID's because of heat buildup. So i'll be watching this thread.
I use led for veg... got a 90w ufo and 8 plants under it right now. Things works awesome!
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HempMaster
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I use led for veg... got a 90w ufo and 8 plants under it right now. Things works awesome!
hows the growth rate compared to MH's??? for vedge that is...
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phrostbyte
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Well to me it seems the same if not even a little better... the higher watt leds seem to work better. The light I have has 2Watt leds in it. My friend has one with the 1 w led lights and it doesn't work as good from the same distance.
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OrgoneConclusion
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Everywhere I post, most seem to be missing the point which is that most photons are wasted by missing the plant. A single young plant under a 600 watter will not do any better than my 3 watter because the photons are not landing on the leaves. This is why SCROG and SOG is so effective. Utilization!
I laugh when people ask how close the plant needs to be while forgetting that light has no problem travelling 13 billion light-years.
Tomorrow I will post an update though there is not much to see yet. It is not quite 11" by 11" inch now, but then I want to keep it small as I am not trying to grow a giant. This is a test of minimalization. I believe I can get the fabled 1 GPW by careful design even though GPW is a horrible metric for so many reasons.
I have switched to flower yesterday and updated to a 5 watter at 350 lumens. I could put all 18 watts on now, but as long as it is healthy and responding, I am not going to up the wattage. The plant will let me know when it is time.
One point of interest is something I have never witnessed before and perhaps someone could enlighten me on this phenomenon. The leaves are pointing upwards at almost a 45-55 degree angle. I have seen sagging leaves and healthy leaves breaking parallel by a little - maybe 10-20 degrees, but these little 'hands' are raised to Heaven. Most curious.
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OrgoneConclusion
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Well to me it seems the same if not even a little better... the higher watt leds seem to work better. The light I have has 2Watt leds in it. My friend has one with the 1 w led lights and it doesn't work as good from the same distance.
The luminous efficacy is not determined by the wattage of the LEDs. Lower power LEDs have greater heat dissipation and are able to be driven harder.
2 and 3 watt LEDs appear to be better ONLY because they are more current designs. Unlike all other lighting fields LEDS are changing month to month.
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OrgoneConclusion said:
One point of interest is something I have never witnessed before and perhaps someone could enlighten me on this phenomenon. The leaves are pointing upwards at almost a 45-55 degree angle. I have seen sagging leaves and healthy leaves breaking parallel by a little - maybe 10-20 degrees, but these little 'hands' are raised to Heaven. Most curious.
The only time i see this happen in my tent is if its too hot, above 29c usually. but if your using a 3w LED i doubt heat is an issue, unless its just really hot where u are.
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OrgoneConclusion
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No, heat is not an issue. I have run the same small setup successfully before with up to 26 watts of CFL in the desert in summertime.
I have seen leaves turn sideways due to heat though.
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phrostbyte
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OrgoneConclusion said:
Everywhere I post, most seem to be missing the point which is that most photons are wasted by missing the plant. A single young plant under a 600 watter will not do any better than my 3 watter because the photons are not landing on the leaves. This is why SCROG and SOG is so effective. Utilization!
I laugh when people ask how close the plant needs to be while forgetting that light has no problem travelling 13 billion light-years.
Tomorrow I will post an update though there is not much to see yet. It is not quite 11" by 11" inch now, but then I want to keep it small as I am not trying to grow a giant. This is a test of minimalization. I believe I can get the fabled 1 GPW by careful design even though GPW is a horrible metric for so many reasons.
I have switched to flower yesterday and updated to a 5 watter at 350 lumens. I could put all 18 watts on now, but as long as it is healthy and responding, I am not going to up the wattage. The plant will let me know when it is time.
One point of interest is something I have never witnessed before and perhaps someone could enlighten me on this phenomenon. The leaves are pointing upwards at almost a 45-55 degree angle. I have seen sagging leaves and healthy leaves breaking parallel by a little - maybe 10-20 degrees, but these little 'hands' are raised to Heaven. Most curious.
The only thing I have found from what I have red is that the higher watt LED have more light penetration the lower watt LED. Now in the same instance what your saying could also be true that they made a better way to disperse the light and just happened to use 2 or 3w LED.
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OrgoneConclusion
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Penetration is not a quality of the light source. This is stoner gibberish. There is no metric for such nor will you ever see that on a spec sheet. If one wants to talk intensity, there is already a clearly defined metric for such.
Penetration is a function of one's setup, if by penetration we mean getting light to the lower leaves. This is why in a week or two I am going to add 4 3w lights pointing downward at a 45 degree angle from all sides so that there are almost no shadows.
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if by penetration we mean getting light to the lower leaves.
I'm pretty sure this is what they mean when I read this. The higher watt LED get down farther through the leaves to the lower area on the plant.
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OrgoneConclusion
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Switched to flower and pumped the lighting up to 5W even though it was not necessary. In a few more weeks I will up the lighting to 9W. It is now 11.5" tall X 10" wide. Remember that I am trying to keep it small. This is a minimalist experiment. I have a separate grow for personal stash.
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Switched to flower and pumped the lighting up to 5W even though it was not necessary. In a few more weeks I will up the lighting to 9W. It is now 11.5" tall X 10" wide. Remember that I am trying to keep it small. This is a minimalist experiment. I have a separate grow for personal stash.
So are you using just 5 X 1 w leds? just white?
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That's all, broseph, even though it was still responding well to the 3 watts. Take into account this is with low humidity, crappy soil and generic nutes.
Look at almost anyone else's photo grow log and you will see the majority of the photons being wasted. And then how do they compensate? By adding more light and heat and electricity and cost.
Fully utilize what you have, first!
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Unfortuantely I have discontinued this portion of the experiment due to two reasons:
1. The plant turned out to be a male.
2. It grew too tall (but not stretchy) for my secondary area. He was 18" tall and 12" wide and still growing like crazy all on 6 watts total. I think this clearly demonstrates that almost everyone uses their lights inefficiently during vegging.
I have not given up though. I have a very short mature plant (12") a little more than half-way through flowering. I can post a photo if there is interest. I am switching her from the flower room to my LED test area. Going to see how she responds at 9 watts before adding more.
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