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SalviaNshrooms9090
Buddhist Monk

Registered: 10/07/09
Posts: 385
Loc: Peru

I am now a vegetarian who is with ME???????

#581508 - 08/27/11 10:44 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

1. vegetarians show lower risk of cancer, high blood pressure, stokes, kisney stones, colon cancer ouch, obesity, and ultimately live longer happier lives because we dont kill animals for food. On a side note did you know that humans are herbivores? YES! we are designed to be vegegtarians beacause oour intestines are long rather than short(like meat eaters) so when we eat meat it literally ROTS inside of us cuasing all kinds of bad health problems. PLUS think about it dude you eat meat your part of the chain that kills innocent animals. Im a buddhist and believe in karma.

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DRAGON
Doors of Perception

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Re: I am now a vegetarian who is with ME???????

[Re: SalviaNshrooms9090]

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#581513 - 08/27/11 10:54 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

:thumbdown:

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SalviaNshrooms9090
Buddhist Monk

Registered: 10/07/09
Posts: 385
Loc: Peru

Re: I am now a vegetarian who is with ME???????

[Re: DRAGON]
#581515 - 08/27/11 10:57 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

u cant smoke weed and claim to be peaceful and them eat meat that makes you a hypocrit

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DRAGON
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Re: I am now a vegetarian who is with ME???????

[Re: SalviaNshrooms9090]

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#581517 - 08/27/11 11:02 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

:lolwut:

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Stoneth
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Re: I am now a vegetarian who is with ME???????

[Re: SalviaNshrooms9090]

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#581519 - 08/27/11 11:04 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Well hell, I just smoked a bowl of hash, and ate two hot ham and cheese sandwiches.
They were good.
I'll do it again sometime in teh future.
I'm sure of it.

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420smoker
Baker

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Re: I am now a vegetarian who is with ME???????

[Re: SalviaNshrooms9090]
#581521 - 08/27/11 11:08 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

I have thought about it many times, but it is very life changing and at the moment i can not due to my living conditions, but it does make sense, and i have suffered from many kidney stones (very very very painful fucking experiences) i dont think i could do it though just because i live up north and if you dont eat soup and stew you will die, but good for you (wo)man? Peace, love and all that and my Life continue to bless you and give you many revelations

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I_AM_SWIM
Someone Who Isn't McKenna

Registered: 06/08/09
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Re: I am now a vegetarian who is with ME???????

[Re: SalviaNshrooms9090]
#581526 - 08/27/11 11:30 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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SalviaNshrooms9090 said:
On a side note did you know that humans are herbivores? YES! we are designed to be vegegtarians beacause oour intestines are long rather than short(like meat eaters)

Is there any source for this? I'm curious about this. :strokebeard2:

:strokebeard2:

On a side note, I've been eating a lot healthier, I got some ridiculously dank expensive
Matcha Green Tea, and got a bunch of raw green tea leaves and oolong tea. The best of the
best of oolong tea.

I'm noticing quite a huge difference in my overall well-being. It :feelsgoodman:

:feelsgoodman:

I learned how to make my own green tea latte they serve at $TARBUCK$, and it tastes exactly the same, if not better. All I do is add hot milk to the matcha, and :voila:

:voila:

green tea is to cannabis

as

matcha is to kief

It's really dank, healthy, and packed with much more beneficial thangs for doin' thangs purposes than green tea.

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King Koopa
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Re: I am now a vegetarian who is with ME???????

[Re: SalviaNshrooms9090]

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#581530 - 08/27/11 11:38 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

With that logic, you might as well not kill any living thing.

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THEBats
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Re: I am now a vegetarian who is with ME???????

[Re: King Koopa]
#581553 - 08/28/11 02:02 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

:ilold:

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you know what i did in english class? I came to class stoned out of my mind every day, i chugged vodka in the back of class, i put dead fish in the ceiling tiles. i put a gallon of old milk and orange juice in the file cabinet before winter vacation. i brought snakes in a tied up sweater and let them loose during class. i didnt go to school to learn, i went because i had to. i didnt care, and i didn't fucking listen to that stupid bitch. and i still don't fucking care. i tore the pages out of her books and burned them, and threw away all the books in the class, two books per day.

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Scraps

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Re: I am now a vegetarian who is with ME???????

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#581559 - 08/28/11 03:33 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

i find it hard to believe seeing as how our teeth are designed to assist in devouring meat, were omnivores anyway so we eat both :gethigh:

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brainsOplenty
ganja farmer

Registered: 05/14/11
Posts: 729
Loc: zion

Re: I am now a vegetarian who is with ME???????

[Re: SalviaNshrooms9090]
#581562 - 08/28/11 05:29 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

no fucking way man, i hunt, i fish, i eat meat. the bottom line is meat is some good shit. and i'm a huge supporter of PETA.

PEOPLE
EATING
TASTY
ANIMALS

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Krackatus
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Re: I am now a vegetarian who is with ME???????

[Re: SalviaNshrooms9090]
#581574 - 08/28/11 07:45 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

SalviaNshrooms9090 said:
u cant smoke weed and claim to be peaceful and them eat meat that makes you a hypocrit

You need to rethink this statement.

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RasJeph
Psycho Pete

Registered: 01/14/09
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Re: I am now a vegetarian who is with ME???????

[Re: brainsOplenty]
#581575 - 08/28/11 07:46 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Pass.

Also, http://askville.amazon.com/true-raw-spinach-kidney-stones/AnswerViewer.do?requestId=13136052

Foods that can cause kidney stones -

Fruits
Vegetables
Nuts and Seeds
Legumes
Grains
Cocoa

Meat isn't even on that list.

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brainsOplenty
ganja farmer

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Posts: 729
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Re: I am now a vegetarian who is with ME???????

[Re: RasJeph]
#581578 - 08/28/11 08:10 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

RasJeph said:

Pass.

Also, http://askville.amazon.com/true-raw-spinach-kidney-stones/AnswerViewer.do?requestId=13136052

Foods that can cause kidney stones -

Fruits
Vegetables
Nuts and Seeds
Legumes
Grains
Cocoa

Meat isn't even on that list.

damn ras, you're making me hungry... time to go shoot a squirell!!!

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RasJeph
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Re: I am now a vegetarian who is with ME???????

[Re: brainsOplenty]
#581583 - 08/28/11 08:54 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

brainsOplenty said:
damn ras, you're making me hungry... time to go shoot a squirell!!!

:lol:

I just tried to think of all the things I'd miss most.

Also, squirrel doesn't really taste that bad. If I had the guts to shoot and clean them, I could eat like a fucking king round here. There are sooooo many. I can't look in a single direction without seeing at least 3.

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KaptKid
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Re: I am now a vegetarian who is with ME???????

[Re: RasJeph]
#581587 - 08/28/11 09:22 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

bbq squirel, sounds good

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drawde

Registered: 11/15/09
Posts: 5,268

Re: I am now a vegetarian who is with ME???????

[Re: RasJeph]
#581590 - 08/28/11 09:29 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

This whole Im better than you because I eat meat vs Im better than you because I am vegetarian thing is getting so fucking old. To each their own...

Although I will say I have not eaten an animal product in over three years, am in the best health of my life, have flawless skin, no body odor, dramatically increased physical stamina, and will probably live the rest of my life out comfortably without any degenerative diseases (all of which were the opposite before). But to each their own. :lol:

:lol:

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Alounacara
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Re: I am now a vegetarian who is with ME???????

[Re: drawde]
#581596 - 08/28/11 09:55 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

I am a vegetarion because i ate 2 BLT`s last night :hi5:

:hi5:

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Stoneth
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Re: I am now a vegetarian who is with ME???????

[Re: Alounacara]
#581606 - 08/28/11 10:29 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

Alounacara said:
I am a vegetarion because i ate 2 BLT`s last night

Hmmm, BACON!

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Alounacara
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Re: I am now a vegetarian who is with ME???????

[Re: Stoneth]
#581617 - 08/28/11 11:43 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

is butter a veggie?

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I_AM_SWIM
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Re: I am now a vegetarian who is with ME???????

[Re: SalviaNshrooms9090]

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#581624 - 08/28/11 12:25 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

SalviaNshrooms9090 said:
u cant smoke weed and claim to be peaceful and them eat meat that makes you a hypocrit

I can say that I'm at peace with myself and the world when I'm baked out of my mind eating a nice medium cooked sirloin steak. :awetongue:

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:Tastesgoodman:

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Pandor

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Re: I am now a vegetarian who is with ME???????

[Re: SalviaNshrooms9090]
#581629 - 08/28/11 01:26 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

drawde said:
This whole Im better than you because I eat meat vs Im better than you because I am vegetarian thing is getting so fucking old. To each their own...

Although I will say I have not eaten an animal product in over three years, am in the best health of my life, have flawless skin, no body odor, dramatically increased physical stamina, and will probably live the rest of my life out comfortably without any degenerative diseases (all of which were the opposite before). But to each their own.

This.....

to each their own yes.
everyone i know and love eats meat and i don't love them any less but...

I started to worry about my looks and my health when I got a little older and I started doing bikram yoga and eventually gave up meat and I am truly a new person. My concentration, focus, appearance, and quality of life have improved.

Meat is bad for you period. Sorry guys. You can argue forever, but it's been proven. Also it's been studied, researched, and proven that not only does the diet consisting of meat and dairy causes the western diseases, but also proven that once people come off the diet, 100% of them improve and I think it was like 75% of them actually heal their own bodies to the point where they don't have the disease anymore. This is all achieved on very moderate exercise such as a walk every day, no smoking or drinking, and a 100% vegan diet.

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SalviaNshrooms9090 said:
u cant smoke weed and claim to be peaceful and them eat meat that makes you a hypocrit

It doesn't make you a hypocrite to smoke weed and eat meat. I think he's saying that it's hard to achieve inner peace while eating something that lived a life of misery and suffering. And maybe he smokes weed because that helps in his search for inner peace. Just a thought...

Edited by Pandor (08/28/11 01:37 PM)

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THEBats
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Re: I am now a vegetarian who is with ME???????

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#581633 - 08/28/11 01:39 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Well certainly animals can be killed humanly. For the most part they're not.

And of course red meat and high saturated fat are bad but the healthiest diets actually consist of a balance of lean fish and veggies, at least according to the largest peer reviewed study done on the subject. Diets consisting of lean meat and veggies show no clear disadvantage over a vegetarian diet. Vegan diets typically will come after, with diets consisting of red meat obviously being the most unhealthy. Really veganism is a first world luxury that humans would not be able to entertain without modern society and understanding of nutrition.

You can believe what you want, but to say eating meat is bad for you is an over generalization at best and an outright lie at it's worst.
http://www.ajcn.org/content/70/3/516S.full

Edited by THEBats (08/28/11 01:50 PM)

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drawde

Registered: 11/15/09
Posts: 5,268

Re: I am now a vegetarian who is with ME???????

[Re: THEBats]
#581638 - 08/28/11 01:59 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

You will never find the best diet for yourself by looking strictly at scientific research. I tried that and its never ending, there are just too many seemingly legitimate but conflicting studies. The only way to discern any sort of advantage is to form an opinion, and thats best done simply by trying different things and finding out first hand what your body responds to best.

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The amount of pot that Gask smokes is equivalent to a guy shooting heroin on weekends

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THEBats
The Bridge Master

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Re: I am now a vegetarian who is with ME???????

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#581639 - 08/28/11 02:04 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

True and that actually ties into why I was arguing against pandors comment that meat is bad for you. It's not quite so black and white like that.

I primarily eat a diet of lean meat, fish and veggies. I rarely eat red meat, though I admit I love a good steak occasionally. I consider myself to be quite healthy. I also exercise though, which I think is key here. Really your overall health extends way beyond your diet, encompassing life style choices, exercise and genetic background.

Sometimes bad health is just dealt to you, regardless of how healthy you behave. Others seemingly put themselves in harms way daily but somehow live long lives.

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you know what i did in english class? I came to class stoned out of my mind every day, i chugged vodka in the back of class, i put dead fish in the ceiling tiles. i put a gallon of old milk and orange juice in the file cabinet before winter vacation. i brought snakes in a tied up sweater and let them loose during class. i didnt go to school to learn, i went because i had to. i didnt care, and i didn't fucking listen to that stupid bitch. and i still don't fucking care. i tore the pages out of her books and burned them, and threw away all the books in the class, two books per day.

Edited by THEBats (08/28/11 02:12 PM)

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King Koopa
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Re: I am now a vegetarian who is with ME???????

[Re: THEBats]
#581642 - 08/28/11 02:28 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

:thumbup:

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Re: I am now a vegetarian who is with ME???????

[Re: Pandor]
#581660 - 08/28/11 03:14 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

If I don't drink.
Im gona kill people.

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RasJeph
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Re: I am now a vegetarian who is with ME???????

[Re: KaptKid]
#581662 - 08/28/11 03:18 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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KaptKid said:
If I don't drink.
Im gona kill people.

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Re: I am now a vegetarian who is with ME???????

[Re: RasJeph]
#581665 - 08/28/11 03:25 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

RasJeph said:
Quote:

KaptKid said:
If we don't eat meat.
They gona start killing people.

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Re: I am now a vegetarian who is with ME???????

[Re: RasJeph]
#581669 - 08/28/11 03:58 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

RasJeph said:
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KaptKid said:
If I don't drink.
Im gona kill people.

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Pandor

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Re: I am now a vegetarian who is with ME???????

[Re: Hawksresurrection]
#581670 - 08/28/11 04:37 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Blaming genetics for being fat or getting a diet related illness such as heart disease is out dated.

The vegan diet is well proven to be the most healthy diet.
The less meat you eat the better and if your at least not eating much meat and mostly lean whatever, good for you, you are better off than most.
I don't try to push what I know on others, but if it comes up, I try to inform people if they care to know.

Dr.Dean Ornish has written books on the studies he has done on the vegan diet and the literally thousands of peoples lives he has saved that had various diet related diseases. The dairy and meat people are constantly trying to discredit him and brainwash everyone in to thinking they still need meat and dairy.

That's my rant tried to break it up so it wasn't one big blahbhlablahgldkjsalkjskljdfkl

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Re: I am now a vegetarian who is with ME???????

[Re: Pandor]
#581672 - 08/28/11 04:43 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

I'm not blaming genetics merely informing you that diet is only one piece of the small puzzle that contributes to someones overall health. If you're suggesting genetics plays no role, then I'm sorry you're wrong. And I'm sorry but veganism has not been proven to be the most healthy diet. See the link I posted above.

Of course there are studies that say otherwise but I have not seen a larger study than the one I've posted that was peer reviewed, and not plastered all over a vegan website that provides no links to outside scientific sources.

Of course none of this matters anyways. As I explained in my previous post, diet is one small part of living a healthy life. You're delusional if you think being vegan is the key to living a healthy life or that it makes a significant difference over someone who eats a balanced diet of lean meat and veggies along with exercise.

Also if you research the Dr. you posted you would find that even he doesn't follow a strict vegan diet, so there you go.

Oh and one other thing. His study, Lifestyle Heart Trial, only really focuses on the vegan diet with regards to heart health. And if you bother to check the link I posted you will also find that to be the only notable difference between diets in that study as well. Yet that study still reports people who consume a diet including fish and veggies to have a lower mortality rate than vegans.

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you know what i did in english class? I came to class stoned out of my mind every day, i chugged vodka in the back of class, i put dead fish in the ceiling tiles. i put a gallon of old milk and orange juice in the file cabinet before winter vacation. i brought snakes in a tied up sweater and let them loose during class. i didnt go to school to learn, i went because i had to. i didnt care, and i didn't fucking listen to that stupid bitch. and i still don't fucking care. i tore the pages out of her books and burned them, and threw away all the books in the class, two books per day.

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#581678 - 08/28/11 04:58 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Ok, I gotta chime in here. Cause of my little battle with cancer here I've kind of studied this and what matters is Calorie count, grams of fat, grams of carbohydrates, grams of protein taken in each day. Eating the right amounts of meat is not bad for you only if abused. Even amounts of fish, poultry and red meat can be eaten. Meaning don't over do it on the high fat meats which are almost always red meat or pork.

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This statement is absolutely untrue. I asked doctors at Stamford Hospital, The Cancer Institute, and the Hospital I'm currently getting my chemo from and none of them said it was a good idea to go vegan, not a single one.

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You may wanna ask just about any practicing doctor about him. I'm currently in a hospital so it's fairly easy for me to do. (yesterday and today are chemo days to the guys that sent me pm's and I'm slow with the laptop. )

I'm not slamming vegans or meat eaters but there are some things not true here on both sides. I know that for a fact.

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#581679 - 08/28/11 05:01 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Those doctors are obviously employed by the meat industry.

That sucks about the chemo magash. Hope you feel better soon and smoke until you're numb.

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you know what i did in english class? I came to class stoned out of my mind every day, i chugged vodka in the back of class, i put dead fish in the ceiling tiles. i put a gallon of old milk and orange juice in the file cabinet before winter vacation. i brought snakes in a tied up sweater and let them loose during class. i didnt go to school to learn, i went because i had to. i didnt care, and i didn't fucking listen to that stupid bitch. and i still don't fucking care. i tore the pages out of her books and burned them, and threw away all the books in the class, two books per day.

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#581680 - 08/28/11 05:03 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

I never said diet was the only piece of the puzzle. Diet plays a much larger role than people think. I mentioned earlier that I do exercise, every day by the way.

If more people would just try it and actually experience how much better they feel, more people would start believing that it is just so much better for your over all health and well being. Plus I eat as much as I want when ever I am hungry and never gain a pound. Everything tastes better and I really enjoy eating now more than ever.

I'm just trying to share my joy. I've lived a miserable life before at times and now I am the happiest I have ever been and this has a lot to do with it.

And I still drink occasionally. Usually in moderation. And I smoke weed every day. And I even party a little harder occasionally. Not ready to give all that up, probably never will. But I am telling you guys, changing my diet was huge and I feel great about it.

Sorry Magesh, but many, actually most doctors don't know shit about diet. They study exactly 3 hours on diet throughout regular medical school.

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#581681 - 08/28/11 05:04 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Doctors who practice chemo therapy treatments are notoriously one-track minded. I would not take much they say to heart other than the chemo facts themselves. Even if they said go vegan I would still tell you this.

Doctors in general also have notoriously little training in diet but that is getting slightly better in recent years.

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#581685 - 08/28/11 05:12 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Well there's a lot to say psychologically about why one might feel better after switching to a diet they perceive as more healthy as well as one in which requires more control. There's also I'm sure a whole bunch of good feelings that come from the thought of you being more "informed" ect.

Also pandor is there a reason you ignored the rest of my post?

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you know what i did in english class? I came to class stoned out of my mind every day, i chugged vodka in the back of class, i put dead fish in the ceiling tiles. i put a gallon of old milk and orange juice in the file cabinet before winter vacation. i brought snakes in a tied up sweater and let them loose during class. i didnt go to school to learn, i went because i had to. i didnt care, and i didn't fucking listen to that stupid bitch. and i still don't fucking care. i tore the pages out of her books and burned them, and threw away all the books in the class, two books per day.

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#581686 - 08/28/11 05:14 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

what part would you like me to respond to?

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#581688 - 08/28/11 05:21 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

About how the doctor you posted doesn't follow a strict vegan diet. About how the study he was involved in only discussed heart health. How the study, or rather collection of 5 studies I posted also noted this difference but noted that a diet of fish and veggies to have a lower mortality rate than vegans.

In any case, if you feel good being vegan that's great. But don't try to use bad science to convince other people that your diet is somehow superior and throw out unintentional hyperboles such as it's been proven to be more healthy.

Really there's no way to definitively prove that unless we were to gather up a bunch of humans, raise them in a lab and monitor their diets until death, while keeping all other factors the same. It can't be done, which is why it's short sighted to definitively conclude anything in regards to diet and overall health.

We can reasonably conclude which things in excess are bad but apart from that it's really difficult to get a clear answer, and certainly one that's free from bias.

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you know what i did in english class? I came to class stoned out of my mind every day, i chugged vodka in the back of class, i put dead fish in the ceiling tiles. i put a gallon of old milk and orange juice in the file cabinet before winter vacation. i brought snakes in a tied up sweater and let them loose during class. i didnt go to school to learn, i went because i had to. i didnt care, and i didn't fucking listen to that stupid bitch. and i still don't fucking care. i tore the pages out of her books and burned them, and threw away all the books in the class, two books per day.

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They study exactly 3 hours on diet throughout regular medical school.

There are currently doctors laughing their asses off to this. One of my doctors is a nutritionist and you can't get him to agree either.

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Doctors who practice chemo therapy treatments are notoriously one-track minded. I would not take much they say to heart other than the chemo facts themselves. Even if they said go vegan I would still tell you this.

So you have cancer and around them all the time? They could care less if your vegan or not. To say they are one track minded is fairly stupid and it's made up.

So now what you gonna tell me the nutritionist only had 6 hrs of training.

As far as working out I do 3 days a week with weights and 3 cardio. Sundays off. I lost 70lbs from july 2010 to Feb 2011.

Mondays Chest, Back and Tri's, Tues cardio, Wed Back and Bi's, Thurs cardio, Fridays Back and Legs, Sat Cardio again.

Calorie intake is 1800, Fat is kept at 53 grams, Carbo's are 180 max, Protein is 190 grams.
An average McDonalds meal does that in one sitting.

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#581691 - 08/28/11 05:25 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Don't be so realistic, people who went to school to get paid large sums of money have no bias whatsoever.

I would definitely say a Pescetarian diet has an advantage of vegetarianism.

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#581692 - 08/28/11 05:28 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Really the key to good health is reading the secret. Everything else is a waste of time.

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you know what i did in english class? I came to class stoned out of my mind every day, i chugged vodka in the back of class, i put dead fish in the ceiling tiles. i put a gallon of old milk and orange juice in the file cabinet before winter vacation. i brought snakes in a tied up sweater and let them loose during class. i didnt go to school to learn, i went because i had to. i didnt care, and i didn't fucking listen to that stupid bitch. and i still don't fucking care. i tore the pages out of her books and burned them, and threw away all the books in the class, two books per day.

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#581696 - 08/28/11 05:32 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Don't be so realistic,

lol......I did get a little carried away didn't I. Man I gotta get out of this hospital and smoke the bowl of hash I have waiting for me in the car. I apologize for the seriousness. :awedance:

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#581698 - 08/28/11 05:34 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

and this is the first time I've used one of these portable internet cards to get on line. Kind of cool being able to get on with a laptop anyplace I want rather then the damn Iphone again.

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#581699 - 08/28/11 05:35 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Really there's no way to definitively prove that unless we were to gather up a bunch of humans, raise them in a lab and monitor their diets until death, while keeping all other factors the same. It can't be done, which is why it's short sighted to definitively conclude anything in regards to diet and overall health.

THIS

I know he studied a lot more than heart disease. There was diabetes and cancer involved in his study too. I don't know what diet the guy personally eats, but if doesn't follow the diet that does not discredit it IMO. Some doctors that teach people to be healthy are fat and smoke and that does not discredit their work.

Who are you to say what is bad science? What is propaganda to me is information to you. All you can do is filter all the information that's available to you out there and do the best you can to filter out the garbage. You are trying to discredit Dr. Dean Ornish who has been helping people and literally saving their lives his whole medical career by questioning his diet. Have you even read any of his books?

I've read many other books besides this guy too and from the information that's available to me, I believe it has been proven that the diet is best. This is due to the fact that I have experienced it, researched it, and the ethics.

Yes certain foods are bad in excess, your better off if you use moderation. Or even better off if you avoid them all together because they serve no purpose except soothing an acquired taste.

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#581702 - 08/28/11 05:38 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Meat is bad for you period.

What about fish meat, turkey, and chicken?
It's obvious that white meat is healthier than red meat.
Sure it's bad to eat a steak, or eat processed hamburgers every day, but it's not 'bad' when
eaten in moderation.

Fish such as salmon and tuna are high in omega-3 fatty acids, which can reduce risks for
heart disease. That sounds beneficial to me. Just because something is a meat, doesn't mean
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#581704 - 08/28/11 05:43 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Well not only does he not follow it he recommends you not follow a strict vegan diet, he recommends taking fish oil supplements.

Do you have a link where is shows him talking about other diseases? I have only found him talking about heart disease, specifically CAD.

And you ask if I've read his books, without yourself I'm sure mentioning or checking out the collection of not one but five studies which I posted above.

While I've not read his books I am familiar with the man, and have read many things written by him, as well as other vegans and nutritionists.

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you know what i did in english class? I came to class stoned out of my mind every day, i chugged vodka in the back of class, i put dead fish in the ceiling tiles. i put a gallon of old milk and orange juice in the file cabinet before winter vacation. i brought snakes in a tied up sweater and let them loose during class. i didnt go to school to learn, i went because i had to. i didnt care, and i didn't fucking listen to that stupid bitch. and i still don't fucking care. i tore the pages out of her books and burned them, and threw away all the books in the class, two books per day.

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#581705 - 08/28/11 05:44 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Doctors who practice chemo therapy treatments are notoriously one-track minded. I would not take much they say to heart other than the chemo facts themselves. Even if they said go vegan I would still tell you this.

So you have cancer and around them all the time? They could care less if your vegan or not. To say they are one track minded is fairly stupid and it's made up.

No... oncology is so highly specialized they just dont have the time to be well versed across the board.

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#581707 - 08/28/11 05:50 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Pandor said:
Meat is bad for you period.

What about fish meat, turkey, and chicken?
It's obvious that white meat is healthier than red meat.
Sure it's bad to eat a steak, or eat processed hamburgers every day, but it's not 'bad' when
eaten in moderation.

Fish such as salmon and tuna are high in omega-3 fatty acids, which can reduce risks for
heart disease. That sounds beneficial to me. Just because something is a meat, doesn't mean
that it's bad for you.

Meat fills your hunger need with out giving your body the nutrition it needs. The meat we eat today is the worst quality in history. Almost all of it comes from factory farms where the animals have been forced to become cannibalistic mutants. These animals are not healthy and neither is their flesh.

You may be able to make a case for fish, but personally I don't fall for the omega 3 hype, just like I didn't fall for all the protein hype. You can get all of your protein easily for vegetables.

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#581714 - 08/28/11 05:56 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Well not only does he not follow it he recommends you not follow a strict vegan diet, he recommends taking fish oil supplements.

Do you have a link where is shows him talking about other diseases? I have only found him talking about heart disease, specifically CAD.

And you ask if I've read his books, without yourself I'm sure mentioning or checking out the collection of not one but five studies which I posted above.

While I've not read his books I am familiar with the man, and have read many things written by him, as well as other vegans and nutritionists.

I am not about to sit here and pick apart this guy or his studies. There is much else out there besides this guy too.

A good short book that's an easy read is "Skinny Bitch" and there are countless other good books and studies done. Anyone can google it.

There is no point in picking this one guy apart. Perhaps you are correct and he is not the one who studied cancer and diabetes and I am getting him confused with another doctor I was reading about.
All the books I have read have long since been returned to the library so I can't just go to the shelf and start saying read this by this person and this by that one.

I'm just telling you that there is enough information out there to prove it if your interested. It's not my intent to prove any thing other than what I have experienced.

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#581717 - 08/28/11 06:03 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

I could do the same thing. THIS is what you're not understanding. Look if veganism works for you that's great, but to make any definitive claim is shortsighted on your part. There's not enough data to conclude proof of anything. And as you even agreed with me above, there's really no way to scientifically test diet on health while ruling out all other factors. Yet you continue to express certainty in your proof. /thread.

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you know what i did in english class? I came to class stoned out of my mind every day, i chugged vodka in the back of class, i put dead fish in the ceiling tiles. i put a gallon of old milk and orange juice in the file cabinet before winter vacation. i brought snakes in a tied up sweater and let them loose during class. i didnt go to school to learn, i went because i had to. i didnt care, and i didn't fucking listen to that stupid bitch. and i still don't fucking care. i tore the pages out of her books and burned them, and threw away all the books in the class, two books per day.

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#581723 - 08/28/11 06:13 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

end the thread because you proved I am short sighted?

what about the simple fact that vegans have the longest life expectancy?

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#581725 - 08/28/11 06:15 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

No end thread because there's no further point to make that could possibly make you understand.

You still don't get it.

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you know what i did in english class? I came to class stoned out of my mind every day, i chugged vodka in the back of class, i put dead fish in the ceiling tiles. i put a gallon of old milk and orange juice in the file cabinet before winter vacation. i brought snakes in a tied up sweater and let them loose during class. i didnt go to school to learn, i went because i had to. i didnt care, and i didn't fucking listen to that stupid bitch. and i still don't fucking care. i tore the pages out of her books and burned them, and threw away all the books in the class, two books per day.

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#581751 - 08/28/11 07:13 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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1. vegetarians show lower risk of cancer, high blood pressure, stokes, kisney stones, colon cancer ouch, obesity, and ultimately live longer happier lives because we dont kill animals for food. On a side note did you know that humans are herbivores? YES! we are designed to be vegegtarians beacause oour intestines are long rather than short(like meat eaters) so when we eat meat it literally ROTS inside of us cuasing all kinds of bad health problems. PLUS think about it dude you eat meat your part of the chain that kills innocent animals. Im a buddhist and believe in karma.

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u cant smoke weed and claim to be peaceful and them eat meat that makes you a hypocrit

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#581765 - 08/28/11 07:48 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

By Dean Ornish "A 2006 study found that in people with type 2 diabetes, a low-fat vegan diet reduced weight, total cholesterol, and LDL cholesterol, and did so to a greater extent than the diet prescribed by the American Diabetes Association."

Also found in his study "The study also suggested that vegans in the UK may be at risk of iodine deficiency because of deficiencies in the soil"

and "comparing vegetarian and non-vegetarian mortality rates in Western countries found the mortality rate due to ischemic heart disease 26 percent lower among vegans compared to regular meat eaters (according to him this means people that eat meat every day), but 34 percent lower among lacto-ovo vegetarians (vegetarians who eat dairy products and eggs) and pescetarians (those who eat fish but no other meat)"

So far just about every study that says it's better to be vegan is because of lower Cholesterol and reduced weight. Not that the meat itself is bad.

Ok, this is getting just plain silly now. :happyweed:

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drink more water... kidney stones are caused by excess buildup of calcium deposits and the way to get rid of this problem is to drink plenty of water... google it.. if yoru urine isnt clear your not getting enough water. what you eat has NOTHING TO DO WITH kidney stones.... its what you drink.... not enough water but healthy diet otherwise still increases your chances.. be it vegan or meat eater.

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#581787 - 08/28/11 08:54 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Everyone should drink water every day.

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#581793 - 08/28/11 09:03 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

all i am saying is since i went lacto vegetariann ive been looking better and feeling much better... my skin has gotten much much better no more acne baby!!!... the facts are there i think everyone should atleast try it and see if they like it... im sure you will... plus going vegetarian a couple days a week is a good way to start then build up... and yes my spellig is off i type 100x faster than any of you n im drunk what do you want from me lmfao? now if only i could stop drinking id be a health nut. also....

lacto vege vs vegan are you really sure vegan is better? milk is a great source of protien plus vitamins/calcium... it doesnt kil the animal so its good.

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[Re: SalviaNshrooms9090]
#581797 - 08/28/11 09:08 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

want omega 3? eat hemp seeds very rich in omega 3.. google it. lol YES HEMP SEEDS ARE SUPER HEALTHY PROTIEN PLUS OMEGA 3 + multiple other vitaminns.

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[Re: SalviaNshrooms9090]
#581798 - 08/28/11 09:12 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

LOL. If you think milk is okay because it doesn't kill the animal you should take a look at the way we get that milk. Death would be better. If of course you're arguing from the point of view against harming animals.

I'm sure there's some organic milk out there where they collect the milk more humanly but I bet it costs $19.95 a gallon.

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kickin-two-hundo said:
you know what i did in english class? I came to class stoned out of my mind every day, i chugged vodka in the back of class, i put dead fish in the ceiling tiles. i put a gallon of old milk and orange juice in the file cabinet before winter vacation. i brought snakes in a tied up sweater and let them loose during class. i didnt go to school to learn, i went because i had to. i didnt care, and i didn't fucking listen to that stupid bitch. and i still don't fucking care. i tore the pages out of her books and burned them, and threw away all the books in the class, two books per day.

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[Re: SalviaNshrooms9090]
#581844 - 08/29/11 01:21 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Australia is the only country that eats is national emblem, nuff said.

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[Re: T-Rex]
#581847 - 08/29/11 01:57 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

:megacrankey:

The only thing worse than a fundie christian
is a pandering fucking vegan tard :facepalm:

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#581850 - 08/29/11 02:36 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

From the beginning I thought this was a joke thread. I come back and an actual discussion is taking place.

My view on this whole what's good for you vs what isn't. Is well each to their own as someone else said earlier. Yeah there's a shit ton of things that are bad for you out there and hell we all know that a lot of the meats that we can can get our hands on isn't quality stuff. Point is we only live once if you can eat a steak and still feel fucking fantastic after. Well awesome more power to ya, same goes for vegans. It's what works for YOU. This diet vs diet thing is nonsense. It's like workouts, you gotta find that sweet routine that works for you.

All I drink is water every day and have juice here and there. I keep a pretty balanced diet and I listen to what my body says it needs. To be honest I can't remember the last time I was sick (at least the past four years). I keep up with my physicals at the docs. Hell if I didn't have these motherfucking allergies I'd be in perfect condition. I never take any of those studies on dieting too seriously. I take them with a grain of salt.

On a side note looking forward to seeing SalviaNshrooms in the DOME :laugh:

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Re: I am now a vegetarian who is with ME???????

[Re: Pandor]
#581881 - 08/29/11 09:02 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

Pandor said:

Who are you to say what is bad science?

..... it has been proven that the diet is best.

In all fairness Pandor, saying something is proven is absolutely terrible science. One of the first primary tenets of science is that nothing can be absolutely proven beyond doubt, merely experimentally reproducible. FFS, even gravity isn't "proven."

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#581882 - 08/29/11 09:51 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

It's a simplistic interpretation of reality.

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[Re: Harry_Ba11sach]
#581883 - 08/29/11 09:56 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

Harry_Ba11sach said:
Quote:

Pandor said:

Who are you to say what is bad science?

..... it has been proven that the diet is best.

In all fairness Pandor, saying something is proven is absolutely terrible science. One of the first primary tenets of science is that nothing can be absolutely proven beyond doubt, merely experimentally reproducible. FFS, even gravity isn't "proven."

You are 100% correct sir. It's been proven to me because I tried it and it works. That's all I can say. I never really should have said anything. These discussions are pointless and I am not good with debates.

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Harry_Ba11sach
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[Re: Pandor]
#581885 - 08/29/11 10:09 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Well don't go that far, I've found most of this thread highly interesting. I'm a very conscious health nut myself so I think this is great talk, I just get ruffled when people try to invoke science in shitty arguments (not talking about you here necessarily, just in general).

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[Re: Harry_Ba11sach]
#581888 - 08/29/11 10:27 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Really that's the only reason I responded to the thread in the first place.

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kickin-two-hundo said:
you know what i did in english class? I came to class stoned out of my mind every day, i chugged vodka in the back of class, i put dead fish in the ceiling tiles. i put a gallon of old milk and orange juice in the file cabinet before winter vacation. i brought snakes in a tied up sweater and let them loose during class. i didnt go to school to learn, i went because i had to. i didnt care, and i didn't fucking listen to that stupid bitch. and i still don't fucking care. i tore the pages out of her books and burned them, and threw away all the books in the class, two books per day.

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