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Muggles
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What nutes do you use?
#580357 - 08/23/11 11:05 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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List the nutrients you have used or are currently using, and your opinions of them.
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Stoneth
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Re: What nutes do you use? [Re: Muggles]
#580395 - 08/23/11 01:19 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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BC's recipe for success, great for beginners, easy to use and follow directions with fair yields, and clean tasting product. Does seem to lack when it comes to bringing out the full favor of fruity strains imo.
General Hydroponic Floranova, Flora Series, Maxi all do extremely well at giving you all your genetics have to offer in yield and favor. I'm currently working with their Flora Duo so I'll hold back that opinion until a later date. As for vegging it works just as great as the rest of their products.
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Re: What nutes do you use? [Re: Stoneth]
#580443 - 08/23/11 03:53 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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fox farms nute line up.
Big Bloom Grow Big Tiger Bloom Microbe Brew Kangaroots
Open Sesame Beastie Bloomz Cha Ching
The Feeding chart is really easy. I started out with 1/4 of the suggested dosage on the chart and worked my way up. Once my plants got big enough they could handle a full feeding.
This is the first time i have actually fed my plants consistently through out an outdoor grow. So i don't have much to compare to. None the less i am very pleased with Fox Farms products.
Plus the solubles will last FOREVER @ a 1/4 tsp per feeding. same with the microbe brew and kangaroots too. Only a half tsp per feeding with those.
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Harry_Ba11sach
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Re: What nutes do you use? [Re: Muggles]
#580454 - 08/23/11 05:05 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Honestly all of the big brand name nutrients are going to give great results if used correctly. The tough part is weeding out which products in their line are useful and which ones are a waste of your money. Farmer Joe's post on Fox Farm is an excellent example. That's not even the fully FF line, but I would bet if Farmer Joe added another couple products he wouldn't see even a single gram of increased yield, and in fact he could probably ditch 3-4 of the products he's currently using and barely lose a gram.
Personally I grow with General Hydro FloraMicro and FloraBloom. I did a round with about 10 of their products all used as instructed, and actually yielded less than just using the Lucas Formula
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maryanne3087
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I do the same only using the Micro and Bloom components of the GH Flora series with added silica, epsom salts, and Roots Exel in veg.
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Muggles
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Re: What nutes do you use? [Re: maryanne3087]
#581324 - 08/27/11 01:00 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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How does FoxFarm compare to GH?
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maryanne3087
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Re: What nutes do you use? [Re: Muggles]
#581325 - 08/27/11 01:22 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Muggles said: How does FoxFarm compare to GH?
I'm not a huge fan of FoxFarm and to be honest I don't really think there's a brand of Nutrients I'd rather use over GH unless I wanted organic hydro which I'd use BioBizz for.
GH Flora Micro and Bloom are all you need and you can administer them however you like. As Harry said, he switched to the Lucas Formula just using Micro+Bloom and got better results than his 10 bottle feeding.
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Muggles
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Re: What nutes do you use? [Re: maryanne3087]
#581328 - 08/27/11 02:06 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Can anyone provide links in regards to the Lucas formula?
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maryanne3087
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Re: What nutes do you use? [Re: Muggles]
#581337 - 08/27/11 03:41 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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you can look for the posts under the hydro forum on ICMAG user name Lucas it's a sticky.
The Lucas formula is 8 ml micro 16 ml Bloom, the Coco version is 6ml Micro and 9 ML Bloom which is what I use.
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Re: What nutes do you use? [Re: maryanne3087]
#581380 - 08/27/11 10:50 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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I've gone as high as 11ml/22ml during flowering on some very hungry plants.
I did forget to mention that I use roots xcel, occasional superthrive and some powdered koolbloom occasionally though.
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maryanne3087
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Damn I usually don't exceed 750ppms I think for the really hungry strains I'd go up to 1000ppms, regular 8/16 Lucas is 1300 PPMs
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Re: What nutes do you use? [Re: maryanne3087]
#581404 - 08/27/11 12:37 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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It was kinda just an experiment I guess I honestly should have fed two clones side by side to see if the increased input resulted in elevated final yields but I was just fucking around rather than being scientific
It would be interesting to find the point of diminishing returns for nutrient costs (via volumetric variation) and light intensity (via your power bill) vs. final yields and growth rate.
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Re: What nutes do you use? [Re: maryanne3087]
#581407 - 08/27/11 12:46 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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I have used Fox Farm's
Grow Big Tiger Bloom I just added Big Bloom for my next grow
I still feel I have been underfeeding my plants, so I will push the next grow even harder with this new Trio. The Duo was a great learning tool.
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Farmer Joe's post on Fox Farm is an excellent example. That's not even the fully FF line, but I would bet if Farmer Joe added another couple products he wouldn't see even a single gram of increased yield, and in fact he could probably ditch 3-4 of the products he's currently using and barely lose a gram.
So, Harry_Ba11sach, for future grows as I continue to learn, are there any other products from the FF line you would recommend I add? For that matter, any line of products. I did throw in some Roots Organics Trinity on my last grow, because it was given to me as a free sample.
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Re: What nutes do you use? [Re: Muggles]
#581413 - 08/27/11 12:53 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Muggles said: Can anyone provide links in regards to the Lucas formula?
http://lucasformula.com/ There you go.
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Harry_Ba11sach
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Re: What nutes do you use? [Re: muse42]
#581414 - 08/27/11 12:58 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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muse42 said:
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Farmer Joe's post on Fox Farm is an excellent example. That's not even the fully FF line, but I would bet if Farmer Joe added another couple products he wouldn't see even a single gram of increased yield, and in fact he could probably ditch 3-4 of the products he's currently using and barely lose a gram.
So, Harry_Ba11sach, for future grows as I continue to learn, are there any other products from the FF line you would recommend I add? For that matter, any line of products. I did throw in some Roots Organics Trinity on my last grow, because it was given to me as a free sample.
No offense, but that question shows that you really didn't read my post there.
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muse42
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I guess I didn't. I thought this
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I did forget to mention that I use roots xcel, occasional superthrive and some powdered koolbloom occasionally though.
Is what you were using with the General Hydro FloraMicro and FloraBloom, and I did not know what the Lucas Formula was until Stoneth posted that like.
I will stick with the 3 part FF.
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Re: What nutes do you use? [Re: muse42]
#581418 - 08/27/11 01:18 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Yep. Keep it simple
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maryanne3087
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Harry_Ba11sach said: It was kinda just an experiment I guess I honestly should have fed two clones side by side to see if the increased input resulted in elevated final yields but I was just fucking around rather than being scientific
It would be interesting to find the point of diminishing returns for nutrient costs (via volumetric variation) and light intensity (via your power bill) vs. final yields and growth rate.
I don't know how you would determine that there would be some variations between ideal PPM, ideal ratios, yield potential strain to strain, factors such as crowding / root space effecting yield, CO2 levels etc etc etc.
I believe less is more for nutrient strength and that the most important factor is ratios. I believe with lower concentrations 250-750ppm your nutrient solution having a higher disassociation works better than providing higher nutrient concentration and you don't need to deal with burning, ratios don't get out of proportion as easy, you can run a single reservoir for multiple plants of various maturities easier, etc.
Chimera runs ppms as low as 250ppm but I think he's definitely sacrificing some yield at that point.
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Re: What nutes do you use? [Re: maryanne3087]
#581433 - 08/27/11 01:55 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Exactly my point there. Increasing from 250ppm to 500ppm definitely increases your yield, but increasing again to 1000ppm might not, but you're spending twice as much money on nutrients. It would be interesting to catalog the drop off points.
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maryanne3087
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It would be an interesting investigation but different cultivars would require slightly different ratios and nutrient concentrations to preform at their absolute best. I think it's safe to assume between 600-750 ppm for 90% of strains and possibly up to 1000-1100 for the hungriest of plants.
It would be easy enough to have 3 clones in spaces of identical size, with the same amount of light (adequate of course 50-66w/sq ft) and provide them with 500, 750, and 1000 PPM of nutrient solution of the same ratios and see what does best. I only see this being worth it if you grow the same variety or have a significant amount of room dedicated to one plant.
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Muggles
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Re: What nutes do you use? [Re: maryanne3087]
#582566 - 08/31/11 09:44 PM (12 years, 6 months ago) |
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Anyone know which line, FF or GH, gives you more feedings per dollar spent? Just trying to make sure I get the most bang for buck, not only in terms of performance, but also application.
Also, does anyone have an opinion on budding-specific nutes like BudBlood, or Kool Bloom. Or any recommendations for other flower enhancers?
I am not necessarily asking strictly for product recommendations, but would genuinely like to hear some candid reviews of what you all use-- whether it is a product that has been previously mentioned, or not. Of course, this info likely will weigh in on purchasing decisions. Hopefully, other users also will be able to use the thread as a reference of what is and isn't worth buying.
I also appreciate posts of differing opinion-- like Harry's, which constructively criticize other's regimens, such as with Farmer Joe's lineup. Together we can collectively ascertain better quality info on what works and what doesn't. In addition, I think the feedback on dosage in regards to efficient PPM regulation is a good topic of discussion.
There has been a lot of good input so far...keep it coming!
I would list what I have experience with, but it is pretty limited. I already know I'm not using the best stuff, and wouldn't necessarily want to disclose any inferior products to spare myself the embarrassment. Let's just say outside of Alaska Fish fertilizer, and SuperThrive, it's nothing too miraculous.
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Re: What nutes do you use? [Re: Muggles]
#582568 - 08/31/11 09:57 PM (12 years, 6 months ago) |
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Well, I am on my 5th grow and I've had 4-10 plants growing at all times. This whole time I have used only Fox Farm's Grow Big and Tiger Bloom. I dabbled with a free sample I got on my last grow. Anyways, I have the 32 ounce bottles, and I will run out this grow.
I chose them because I was growing in FFOF
Where I buy my supplys, the GH is about $4-$5 cheaper than the FF. I don't know how long the GH will last you though.
And also, as Harry reminded me, just keep it simple. choose a 3 part line and go with it. I was going to try the GH line next.
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Muggles
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Re: What nutes do you use? [Re: muse42]
#587317 - 09/18/11 09:31 PM (12 years, 6 months ago) |
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aljeezzy
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Re: What nutes do you use? [Re: Muggles]
#591131 - 10/08/11 01:32 AM (12 years, 5 months ago) |
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Muggles
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Re: What nutes do you use? [Re: aljeezzy]
#597926 - 11/22/11 12:30 AM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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anyone with a current growlog should add their regimen here
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Re: What nutes do you use? [Re: Muggles]
#598545 - 11/26/11 12:15 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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2 teaspoons fish fert in 1 liter of water.
Gorwing in FF ocean forest.
Plan on adding kelp and micro nutes.
2 weeks into flower (a little more).
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Re: What nutes do you use? [Re: Muggles]
#603506 - 01/01/12 07:22 AM (12 years, 2 months ago) |
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Here is what I use. Been really happy with this to. GeneralHydroponics floranova bloom,liquid koolbloom,and their cal/mag supplement. I go 9 weeks flower. I use straight promix in my containers. Im going to try and add the Alaskan forest hummic to the promix my next grow. So I start out at week 1 at 300 ppm. Week 2 400 ppm. Week 3 500 ppm Week 4 600 ppm. Week 5 700 ppm. Then at weeks 6 and 7 back to 500 ppm. Week 8 and 9 flushed wirh just water. A quart of each of the nutrients lasts me 2 grows...so its really cost efficient. And a heads up....you really need to shake the floranova good,this stuff has a very thick and heavy consistency. As far as veg goes,I use the cal/mag supplement and floranova grow. I never go above 300 ppm,no matter how long I veg for. And for my mothers I use mother plant a & b along with the cal/mag supement.
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Muggles
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Re: What nutes do you use? [Re: Sp33dfreak]
#603520 - 01/01/12 11:32 AM (12 years, 2 months ago) |
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Thank you, that was very detailed!
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mcnastynasty
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Re: What nutes do you use? [Re: Muggles]
#617333 - 04/10/12 10:09 AM (11 years, 11 months ago) |
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earth juice grow-bloom-catalyst-micro. Love it. Although I rarely use the grow or bloom. I ammend my soil with bat and seabird quano, castings, lime, kelp, and diatomaceous earth. I rarely need to add any grow and only hit em with bloom late in flower.
I also mix up aact teas ever two-three weeks. I use ej catalyst and any microbes i have on hand. some kelp meal and castings.
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Re: What nutes do you use? [Re: Muggles]
#666740 - 04/19/13 12:13 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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Biobizz organic liquids for over four crops. Satisfactory has been moderate to really high. Say, one bottle of 1L bio-grow NPK426 costs about 10 euros. Thing is it's lower on N than before (was 8) but still reasonable stuff. Also, just received bat guano from Holland. Reporting results later.
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Sam.Cee916
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Re: What nutes do you use? [Re: Muggles]
#681543 - 08/14/13 02:21 PM (10 years, 7 months ago) |
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Current: Dr.Earthnatural & organic Nitro Big 7-2-2 "High Nitrogen Fertilizer". Ingredients: (in order on bottle) (Fish Meal, Fish bone meal, soft rock phosphate, mined potassium sulfate, kelp meal, seaweed extract and earthworm castings.Also Contains beneficial non-plant food Ingrediants: (5% Humic Acid, 2% Aloe Vera Extract, 1% Yucca Schidigera Extract, 7% Prebiotic Microbial Food:2%Fructooligosaccharides, 1% Inulin, 1% Hemp Powder, 1% Rice flour,1% Whole Wheat Flour,0.5% Soy flour, 0.5% Black strap molasses) Dr.Earthnatural & organic Golden Bloom 2-7-2 "High Phosphorus Fertilizer". Ingredients: Fish bone meal, soft rock phosphate, fish meal, mined potassium sulfate, kelp meal, seaweed extract and worm castings.Also Contains beneficial non-plant food Ingredients: :2%Fructooligosaccharides, 1% Inulin, 1% Hemp Powder, 1% Rice flour,1% Whole Wheat Flour,0.5% Soy flour, 0.5% Black strap molasses) I've used these for the first time this season, both in and outdoors. I would say the results are beyond expectations, and have out performed much more expensive, and popular nutes. They are both liquid a soy sauce color with a fish sauce smell, don't recommend foiliar feeding indoors! Great price, they also make killer soils, and mediums. Won't change.....yet. Have used Earth Juice Verde Fire Veg, and Bloom Water soluble nutes. I prefer the Dr Earth for many reasons, but Verde Fire is good too, just not as good as Dr. Earth!
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Re: What nutes do you use? [Re: Sam.Cee916]
#681562 - 08/14/13 06:29 PM (10 years, 7 months ago) |
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As of right now just pure blend pro vegetative formula.
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