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 How I see god 
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It is a malignant sociocultural relic that behaves as a mental pseudosymbiont in the mind of the believer. The believer i.e. the host provides the neuronal platform for its existence whereas the concept endows the host a false sense of security.
Point of origin - the 5-hydroxytryptamine receptor family. The concept behaves like a viral pattern of neural activity that lurks in the serotonergic pathways of the nervous system. This would explain the numerous religious experiences from LSD, DMT, mushrooms, mescaline and all other drugs that activate the 5-HT receptors.
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My opinion of god is very hard to explain because:
The way some people see god and the afterlife is obviously a ridiculous legend that they believe in order to not fear death and be closed minded- to make life simple.
The way others see god is very transcendent and beautiful.
The way some others see god is very very transcend, mind-blowing, beautiful, and complex.
I can't really explain my entire philosophy right at this moment but I will later.
but I definitely relate god to psychedelics and meditation.
I will explain later.
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I saw god at the peak of an aid trip, it it was beutiful freely flowing energy, that encompasses all... to reach god we must free our minds from all the clutter and flow with the universise... the end
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Re: How I see god [Re: Big_tiggy]
#560836 - 06/01/11 05:51 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Or just use some variation of this key:
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Re: How I see god [Re: mellowparty] 1
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Philosophy is almost impossible to communicate through the interwebs... but here is my view in a nut shell.
There is much more to this existence than we comprehend. We perceive for the most part a very small portion of the infinite beauty, energy, and awe that surrounds us. Everything dies, nothing really exists, it's all a sort of dream- but a beautiful one full of love. Something is also what it is not, because by defining something, you are also dooming it to be nothing more. We confuse things with their name which how our perception is dulled and our doors our closed. Through certain methods, hallucinogens, cannabis, meditation, fasting, ect., we are able to open ourselves up to see some light.
No one can really know anything.
There is all and nothing.
And it's great.
It's love.
Beautiful Non-Sense is the heart of the world.
That, the absence of that, and everything else.
That's god.
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Re: How I see god [Re: FRACTALife]
#560847 - 06/01/11 06:27 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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k, true. good post, OP.
i agree. also... it's your mind and consciousness.
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Re: How I see god [Re: FRACTALife]
#560870 - 06/01/11 08:33 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Quote:
FRACTALife said:
My opinion of god is very hard to explain because:
The way some people see god and the afterlife is obviously a ridiculous legend that they believe in order to not fear death and be closed minded- to make life simple.
The way others see god is very transcendent and beautiful.
The way some others see god is very very transcend, mind-blowing, beautiful, and complex.
I can't really explain my entire philosophy right at this moment but I will later.
but I definitely relate god to psychedelics and meditation.
I will explain later.
Just a ridiculous legend because we fear the afterlife or death? Big words from a small mouth. This is one reason I cant stand certain athiests. You make fun of our ridiculous beliefs and say we're stupid and crazy, you dont see me bashing your beliefs do you? No. Believe what you want, but please keep your damn mouths shut if we do. Geez.
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FRACTALife said:
My opinion of god is very hard to explain because:
The way some people see god and the afterlife is obviously a ridiculous legend that they believe in order to not fear death and be closed minded- to make life simple.
The way others see god is very transcendent and beautiful.
The way some others see god is very very transcend, mind-blowing, beautiful, and complex.
I can't really explain my entire philosophy right at this moment but I will later.
but I definitely relate god to psychedelics and meditation.
I will explain later.
Just a ridiculous legend because we fear the afterlife or death? Big words from a small mouth. This is one reason I cant stand certain athiests. You make fun of our ridiculous beliefs and say we're stupid and crazy, you dont see me bashing your beliefs do you? No. Believe what you want, but please keep your damn mouths shut if we do. Geez.
He was stating his beliefs, in a thread bout how we see god. you don't have to post if you dont like what he said.
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Re: How I see god [Re: iStoner] 1
#560874 - 06/01/11 08:48 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I posted because I didnt like what he said. Im just sick of athiests flaming Christians.
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You are taking it too personally, he never said "christians"
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Re: How I see god [Re: iStoner]
#560878 - 06/01/11 09:02 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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 ive had a bad day, dammit!
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You must be on your period. 
I would love to tell you guys how i see god, but at this moment in time, i have no solid beliefs and am still searching.
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Re: How I see god [Re: iStoner]
#560883 - 06/01/11 09:08 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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No, that was about a week ago.
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Re: How I see god [Re: iStoner]
#560890 - 06/01/11 09:33 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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You must be on your period.
I would love to tell you guys how i see god, but at this moment in time, i have no solid beliefs and am still searching.
you know that's fine. in fact, that's pretty great.
better then assuming the position of knower of the unknown.
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Re: How I see god [Re: iStoner]
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I would love to tell you guys how i see god, but at this moment in time, i have no solid beliefs and am still searching.
This.
I grew up Christian, went through an atheist phase, but I'm kinda trending towards being a Deist now. I guess my views on God/religion largely depend on the kinds of current experiences I'm having with the world and my surroundings.
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Re: How I see god [Re: Far Stox]
#560899 - 06/01/11 09:38 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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does "God" play both good and bad? what if you are having a bad day? 
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I had a dream today while taking a nap. I was underground with a group of people having a meeting with "satan" He made the point that he is here now, and that he will always be here. But that god is never here, and never has shown himself. So who is the better option. I started to side with him, and agree and told him i was leaning toward joining his group. But then after i left him and was talking with other people and man came up to me in a suit, and some papers. Told me he was with the national atheist association and that i shouldn't believe everything this man says and think for myself.
This is almost all i remember, but it was weird. and i am still confused.
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Re: How I see god [Re: iStoner]
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That sounds confusing. Ive dreamed of Jesus coming back, and being really upset cause I didnt want to leave earth yet.
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unmoving movement... unchanging change... stuff that isn't really something...
trippy goo... (j/k)
all synonyms for God, for me...
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Im just sick of athiests flaming Christians.
im sick of christians flaming everything thats not cristian. and even some other christian denominations.
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niteowl said:
See, that term pedo gets thrown around a lot.
Is a 16 year old guy having sex w/a 16 year old girl a pedophile?
If not, then how is a 30 year old considered a pedophile for doing the same thing?
I think y'all need to look up the definition for pedophile.
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Im just sick of athiests flaming Christians.
im sick of christians flaming everything thats not cristian. and even some other christian denominations.
Not all christians do that. Neither do all athiests. All religions are bad to eachother. I wish we could just accept what tbe other believes. Not calling it legend or fairy tales or ignorance or fear. Aren't we supposed to be the peaceful accepting ones? The drug users who understand the universe? Thats our claim, right? Or has that been lost..
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yeah, people hop on the bashing christians ban wagon, too much...
my whole family is christians and they are all either crazy and not all denominating cause they just hang out and don't give a fuck, or they are fuckin' nice and care about your well-being, more then your average fucking moron, but i guess that's just when you're not "stuck up" i suppose. 
i mean, no body in my family is really a practicing christian, except for maybe my mom and grandmother... that's it...
my uncle is into some crazy spiritual shit, and does meditation... hell, he WAS christian and was most upstanding, and then he dropped in favor of "other" and grew Salvia recently cause he is looking for different means to explore "god-consciousness" and shit
once... the once christian believer of God (now believes in higher power but not God "himself") touched my heart chakra, though sheer awesomeness, literally.
i don't know if he has got psychological powers but... i don't man, spirituality and christianity and all the others; all of them can be pretty damn enlightening.
ya know, the one thing i find to be most true, and someone on the shroomery was saying this before recently... is that religions... just don't evolve. they don't update. they are so out of date and some people with them... but not all people... some people know how to keep a realistic standard. 
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One thing that people can not explain is. When it comes to statistics. It is a proven fact that people who pray prior to surgery have less complications than people who do not pray.
Interesting fact.
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Re: How I see god [Re: Picklez]
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how statistically significant is this finding?
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I dont recall the exact numbers but I recall it being fairly significant, enough so that it would make you want to pray if you were about to go under the knife.
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Just because it cannot be explained doesn't mean that god helps you. It might be that the praying activates certain pathways in your brain that in turn affect blood vessels for examples which is good for the operation outcome. LSD and shrooms cure my headaches cause they reduce the diameter of cerebral capillaries. It could be that during operation a certain amount of 5HT agonization occurs and the praying helps to overcome a given threshold in physiological response that favours a positive outcome.
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Count on people from the Growery to find a way to twist a positive statistic up.
Fact- people who pray before surgery are significantly less likely to have complications during surgery. period.
I never said it was because of God. I was merely pointing out an interesting statistic. if I werent heading to bed, I would pull up the exact stats. It is a pretty well known stat. Doctors will generally inform you of it before you have surgery.
I got my interview in a couple of hours so 
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I'll wait till they figure this out and find out the pathways that upregulate the probability of a positive outcome. Then instead of a prayer they might give you a pill or something.
Do you have a job interview?
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Re: How I see god [Re: Picklez]
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Count on people from the Growery to find a way to twist a positive statistic up.
Fact- people who pray before surgery are significantly less likely to have complications during surgery. period.
I never said it was because of God. I was merely pointing out an interesting statistic. if I werent heading to bed, I would pull up the exact stats. It is a pretty well known stat. Doctors will generally inform you of it before you have surgery.
I got my interview in a couple of hours so
I know the study you're referring to but the findings weren't at all statistically significant. Besides all the other studies finding no statistical difference, or an increase in complications in the prayer group.
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/03/31/health/31pray.html
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you know what i did in english class? I came to class stoned out of my mind every day, i chugged vodka in the back of class, i put dead fish in the ceiling tiles. i put a gallon of old milk and orange juice in the file cabinet before winter vacation. i brought snakes in a tied up sweater and let them loose during class. i didnt go to school to learn, i went because i had to. i didnt care, and i didn't fucking listen to that stupid bitch. and i still don't fucking care. i tore the pages out of her books and burned them, and threw away all the books in the class, two books per day. 
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Im just sick of athiests flaming Christians.
im sick of christians flaming everything thats not cristian. and even some other christian denominations.
Not all christians do that. Neither do all athiests. All religions are bad to eachother. I wish we could just accept what tbe other believes. Not calling it legend or fairy tales or ignorance or fear. Aren't we supposed to be the peaceful accepting ones? The drug users who understand the universe? Thats our claim, right? Or has that been lost..
The christian god is the biggest fairy tale, founded by fear and perpetuated by ignorance, that man has ever came across.
No flame in that statement.
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Re: How I see god [Re: King Koopa]
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I am not afraid, I am hopeful. I think that this world, this beautiful, fantastic world was in no way created by a "big bang" or by some chance. There is too much pointing towards intelligent design. Like how intricate the human cell is, or how plants draw their food from the sun, or how someone's cancer gets better, and doctors are baffled. I just think its cynical to not have some feeling of a Maker who has purpose, good or bad. Some hope and faith that this existance means something in the end. I am not trying to be defensive, just trying to explain the so called "fear" and "fairy tale"
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I am not afraid, I am hopeful. I think that this world, this beautiful, fantastic world was in no way created by a "big bang" or by some chance. There is too much pointing towards intelligent design. Like how intricate the human cell is, or how plants draw their food from the sun, or how someone's cancer gets better, and doctors are baffled. I just think its cynical to not have some feeling of a Maker who has purpose, good or bad. Some hope and faith that this existance means something in the end. I am not trying to be defensive, just trying to explain the so called "fear" and "fairy tale"
Most of that comes from a lack of understanding of evolution and other scientific principles. The big bang happened, it's what caused it that's more up for debate.
There's still a lot we don't know, but that's what science is about. I think the world is beautiful enough without assigning some kind of divine meaning behind it all.
We assign God to phenomenon we can't explain without fully understanding, or perhaps even have the capacity to fully understand. This gives no credit to a creator for our inability to comprehend the world around us.
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you know what i did in english class? I came to class stoned out of my mind every day, i chugged vodka in the back of class, i put dead fish in the ceiling tiles. i put a gallon of old milk and orange juice in the file cabinet before winter vacation. i brought snakes in a tied up sweater and let them loose during class. i didnt go to school to learn, i went because i had to. i didnt care, and i didn't fucking listen to that stupid bitch. and i still don't fucking care. i tore the pages out of her books and burned them, and threw away all the books in the class, two books per day.
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Re: How I see god [Re: THEBats]
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So...because I am a believer in God, I dont know much about science or evolution? Because I do. I make it a point to be informed. I make it a point to have knowledge of things I dont believe or understand. So, no it doesnt come from having a filler of my lack of knowledge, using Jesus as all the answers to everything. It comes from being in awe of creation.
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i wasnt hating or bashing above, i just think its silly how close minded the majority of christians that i've met are.
i believe in *a* god. but its my god, a god of my understanding. not a good i have to listen to someone else tell me about. not a god that expects 10% of what i make (wtf?), not a vengeful god. not a god that would encourage his followers to start wars over since the beginning of the religions creation.
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See, that term pedo gets thrown around a lot.
Is a 16 year old guy having sex w/a 16 year old girl a pedophile?
If not, then how is a 30 year old considered a pedophile for doing the same thing?
I think y'all need to look up the definition for pedophile.
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Well I try very, very hard not to be a closed minded Christian. They are the reason i stopped going to church.
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So how do you see god? What is the essence of this concept in your view?
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I would argue that you're probably not informed as you could be on the subject. Tell me, what books have you read about evolution?
More importantly have you read the bible all the way through, or even more importantly studied and read other holy books. You start to notice quite a few parallels when you get in depth with studying and understanding world religion.
Such as those between Jesus and Horus.
http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_jcpa5b.htm
There are other parallels and themes found in earlier religions as well.
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you know what i did in english class? I came to class stoned out of my mind every day, i chugged vodka in the back of class, i put dead fish in the ceiling tiles. i put a gallon of old milk and orange juice in the file cabinet before winter vacation. i brought snakes in a tied up sweater and let them loose during class. i didnt go to school to learn, i went because i had to. i didnt care, and i didn't fucking listen to that stupid bitch. and i still don't fucking care. i tore the pages out of her books and burned them, and threw away all the books in the class, two books per day.
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OI see God as the creator of this universe, one that made us to glorify him by discovering more about his love. I do see him as a God of consequence. I see him as a giver and taker. I will admit, me and one of my best friends were having a religious discussion, where we were talking about how in the bible it says not to have sex before marriage, and not be gay, and not drugs. But it doesnt say drugs directly. The one thing I am having some trouble with, is God not alright with love you cant help, with drugs that could increase your faith? I am still growing in my faith, im only 20, im not going to have all the answers, neither will everyone else. I see God as an infinite being, the Holy Spirit as the fire and fervency in our hearts, God the Father who holds us all in his hands and loves us very much, and Jesus is the personification that brought us all hope and a chance.
As far as evolution and other religions, I read the God Delusion and a couple other things. Im not saying I know it all, but unlike most Christians I know, gave it a chance. I have read most of the bible, throughout schooling and even now. And yes, all religions really are parallel as you said. Most have a higher figure, a redemption, sacrifice. It just all depends on where your heart lies.
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Like I said, anyone can believe what they want to believe. I take more comfort however in reserving judgment on things which cannot be proven either way. I will say, there are many arguments against a personal God such as that portrayed in Abrahamic religions. But the exact nature of creation and what was before the big bang will be a mystery. Creator or not I think it is beyond our current capacity of understanding. I also think there's just as much awe without a creator.
My only argument against religious denomination is it is nearly always something of circumstance. I doubt you would hold the same beliefs or bias towards christianity if you were raised in India or China ect.
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you know what i did in english class? I came to class stoned out of my mind every day, i chugged vodka in the back of class, i put dead fish in the ceiling tiles. i put a gallon of old milk and orange juice in the file cabinet before winter vacation. i brought snakes in a tied up sweater and let them loose during class. i didnt go to school to learn, i went because i had to. i didnt care, and i didn't fucking listen to that stupid bitch. and i still don't fucking care. i tore the pages out of her books and burned them, and threw away all the books in the class, two books per day.
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Re: How I see god [Re: THEBats]
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Youre correct. I would probably be Buddhist of Hindu. Ill give you that. But its the same in the reverse. Its just how it is. And yeah, Old Testament God, man, he was something else. Tough as fuck. But you are right, there's no point in trying to change the other's beliefs. I do enjoy religious conversations. There is always more to learn about the other.
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I'll wait till they figure this out and find out the pathways that upregulate the probability of a positive outcome. Then instead of a prayer they might give you a pill or something.
Do you have a job interview?
I think it's funny how you use words that dont exist to try and make yourself sound smart. "upregulate," seriously?
Yes, I have a job interview in a couple of hours. Later this afternoon.
Bats- It isnt just 1 study. There have been quite a few separate studies done. And if I recall, it's something between 10-20% less complications, which is pretty significant when you consider the number of people involved in the studies.
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Re: How I see god [Re: Picklez]
#561112 - 06/02/11 10:23 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Nearly all of them have had their methodologies criticized or had extremely small sample sizes. The one I posted is one of the most comprehensive studies done on the subject, and it found no correlation, if any it was that prayer increased complications.
Any effect can almost certainly be argued as placebo where the person knows they are being prayed for, or they themselves pray for their recovery.
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you know what i did in english class? I came to class stoned out of my mind every day, i chugged vodka in the back of class, i put dead fish in the ceiling tiles. i put a gallon of old milk and orange juice in the file cabinet before winter vacation. i brought snakes in a tied up sweater and let them loose during class. i didnt go to school to learn, i went because i had to. i didnt care, and i didn't fucking listen to that stupid bitch. and i still don't fucking care. i tore the pages out of her books and burned them, and threw away all the books in the class, two books per day.
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Re: How I see god [Re: THEBats]
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Your link has little to do with what I was talking about
Your article is about how other people recover when they know they are being prayed for by other people
I was directly referring to people who pray themselves prior to having surgery. There are studies that show that people who pray prior to surgery have fewer complications
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That would have little to do with prayer though, and the whole reason for studies such as the one I posted which attempt to separate prayer as a religious force. People who pray themselves are just experiencing a placebo. The only way to test against this is through secondary prayer.
Hence failed methodologies in identifying prayer as the true source of lower complications.
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kickin-two-hundo said:
you know what i did in english class? I came to class stoned out of my mind every day, i chugged vodka in the back of class, i put dead fish in the ceiling tiles. i put a gallon of old milk and orange juice in the file cabinet before winter vacation. i brought snakes in a tied up sweater and let them loose during class. i didnt go to school to learn, i went because i had to. i didnt care, and i didn't fucking listen to that stupid bitch. and i still don't fucking care. i tore the pages out of her books and burned them, and threw away all the books in the class, two books per day.
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Re: How I see god [Re: THEBats]
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How do you figure?
It's not placebo if you compare people who prayed prior to surgery, and people who did not pray before surgery. You then compare the number of people from each group that had complications. You can then find a percentage. You can then accurately compare the two groups.
Hardly rocket science. Basic statistics.
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Because it completely involves their perceptions on the power of prayer. I doubt if you were to take a group of atheists and told them to pray that it would have the same effect. If prayer worked then surely praying for someone without their knowledge would also work too no?
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kickin-two-hundo said:
you know what i did in english class? I came to class stoned out of my mind every day, i chugged vodka in the back of class, i put dead fish in the ceiling tiles. i put a gallon of old milk and orange juice in the file cabinet before winter vacation. i brought snakes in a tied up sweater and let them loose during class. i didnt go to school to learn, i went because i had to. i didnt care, and i didn't fucking listen to that stupid bitch. and i still don't fucking care. i tore the pages out of her books and burned them, and threw away all the books in the class, two books per day.
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Re: How I see god [Re: THEBats]
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I am not butthurt, I just dont feel like having this argument any more. I got to get ready for my interview and this seems like a complete waste of time. especially for a subject I really dont care either way on. I know what I have read in scientific journals. Only reason I was researching is because I have to get some surgery done in the future and the doctor said that phrase to me, and I decided to look it up because I was actually skeptical too. I am very much like you, I believe in "a God," of my understand and one that I have an individual relationship with. I dont go to church because I think they are borderline scams.
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Re: How I see god [Re: Picklez]
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I don't believe in a God, but I also know the true creation of the universe is not likely to be known or understood in humanity's existence. I guess I would say I'm agnostic, but I lean more towards atheism if I had to say I believe one way or the other.
Just understand, that science gets it wrong too. There are plenty of studies published in academic journals that are later discredited.
Also I've been trying to find a study showing anywhere near those percentages and am not having any luck except some references on pro-religious sites that fail to link or even mention the author of said studies.
What kind of surgery?
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you know what i did in english class? I came to class stoned out of my mind every day, i chugged vodka in the back of class, i put dead fish in the ceiling tiles. i put a gallon of old milk and orange juice in the file cabinet before winter vacation. i brought snakes in a tied up sweater and let them loose during class. i didnt go to school to learn, i went because i had to. i didnt care, and i didn't fucking listen to that stupid bitch. and i still don't fucking care. i tore the pages out of her books and burned them, and threw away all the books in the class, two books per day.
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Re: How I see god [Re: THEBats]
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I could have misread what percentages went with what in the article. I thought it was a pretty significant percent like that for some reason
so you dont pray at all, right?
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Re: How I see god [Re: Picklez]
#561137 - 06/02/11 11:02 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Nope.
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you know what i did in english class? I came to class stoned out of my mind every day, i chugged vodka in the back of class, i put dead fish in the ceiling tiles. i put a gallon of old milk and orange juice in the file cabinet before winter vacation. i brought snakes in a tied up sweater and let them loose during class. i didnt go to school to learn, i went because i had to. i didnt care, and i didn't fucking listen to that stupid bitch. and i still don't fucking care. i tore the pages out of her books and burned them, and threw away all the books in the class, two books per day.
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Re: How I see god [Re: THEBats]
#561144 - 06/02/11 11:37 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I like to think there are two "gods" each feeding off the other.
The Pong paddles are the Gods and I am the ball.
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Re: How I see god [Re: Picklez]
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I'll wait till they figure this out and find out the pathways that upregulate the probability of a positive outcome. Then instead of a prayer they might give you a pill or something.
Do you have a job interview?
I think it's funny how you use words that dont exist to try and make yourself sound smart. "upregulate," seriously?
who is so readily butthurt, exactly?
this place is WORSE then the shroomery... how do you people associate with your time? do you mind wasting it so frivolously?
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what the hell is my religion then? Fundamental tryptaminism?
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#561172 - 06/02/11 12:56 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Any statistic like "10% of people who pray don't die as much" might as well be thrown out the window. What is the margin of error? 10%?
TheBats is right, there are an unnumbered amount of examples for data suggesting the impossible, only to later realize it was because of the error or bias.
I don't care for the term "agnostic", it should be at most used as an adjective to described someones theism or atheism.
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what if people prayed that the surgery would kill them? then the journals would be construed
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Re: How I see god [Re: Picklez]
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I'll wait till they figure this out and find out the pathways that upregulate the probability of a positive outcome. Then instead of a prayer they might give you a pill or something.
Do you have a job interview?
I think it's funny how you use words that dont exist to try and make yourself sound smart. "upregulate," seriously?
Yes, I have a job interview in a couple of hours. Later this afternoon.
Bats- It isnt just 1 study. There have been quite a few separate studies done. And if I recall, it's something between 10-20% less complications, which is pretty significant when you consider the number of people involved in the studies.
Its not my problem you havent heard of upregulate and downregulate. Its a pretty common term in molecular biology and I see it all the time in research papers.
Do your fucking research before you say I'm making new words up 
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he is saying that you are using the word out of it's context, as if it's somehow not allowed.
EDIT: oh wait, he wasn't being pragmatic, it seems he was literally saying you made it up! 
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I use the word a lot IRL. Actually people think Im friggin weird cause I use all sort of obscure words that I pick up from science papers. I dont even notice that Im using these words anymore 
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oh well, words are just words... they mean more harm then good, most of the time... so i don't see how using some words out of context or using words that people don't care to know is annoying, wrong or bad, anyways.
might as well use words creatively, if you're going to talk... otherwise... you can...
*flap flap flap*  the same bullshit day and night.
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no offence to you, man.
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none taken 
English is not my native language so I tend to use words in a way that sounds strange to English speakers. Its funny cause I tend to swear a lot and use obscure words in the same sentence.
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that's brilliant though, maaan...
gotta keep us anglos-mofo's on our toes.
we abuse the english language on a daily basis anyways... with stupidly gratifying the language barrier between philosophies and inquiry and whatnot.
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I like Atheism in the sense that you believe nothing.
Not that you don't believe in god but you don't believe in anything.
Not even in atheism.
It's beautiful.
Or not.
I think I like that.
Or do I?
I don't do anything.
Or not do anything.
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Re: How I see god [Re: FRACTALife]
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Im a fuckin walkin paradox,
No im not.
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Quote:
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Im a fuckin walkin paradox,
No im not.
Its a paradox how someone that hot can walk around and not melt 
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Im a fuckin walkin paradox,
No im not.
tyler?
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Re: How I see god [Re: Tangerines]
#561380 - 06/02/11 08:39 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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YUppp
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Woah you are on this board, nice.
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Im a fuckin walkin paradox,
No im not.
Its a paradox how someone that hot can walk around and not melt
WOW I just got that.
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I had some wine (I get intoxicated very easily) when I posted it Hope you wont think Im some sort of a creep I just think you are hawttt 
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I had some wine (I get intoxicated very easily) when I posted it Hope you wont think Im some sort of a creep I just think you are hawttt
Nah man youre one of the chillest folks here!
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God in my view is unconditional love, one-ness with everything and everyone.
That feeling when you're sitting in the sun, drinking bevs on a beutiful beach with the people you love, that's god.
"I dont know what you've been told but the streets of heaven aint lined with gold, you don't know what you got till it's gone"
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Re: How I see god [Re: Blazed as]
#561478 - 06/03/11 05:56 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I can honestly say that I have never seen 'god'
I really don't understand the concept of a 'god'
Why does someone believe in something that they can't
see, feel, touch, or measure in any shape form or fashion?
It honestly boggles my mind when someone claims to believe in a 'god'
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Re: How I see god [Re: niteowl]
#561534 - 06/03/11 12:25 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Really, there hasn't been anything to make me lean towards believing in a God.. Religion baffles me completely.. The more I come to understand, the less and less sense religion makes to me... It worries me how malleable the mind is...
Even if I were able to potentially accept the idea of a God like in the bible.. I still wouldn't be faithful to him. It worries me, the people things are willing to accept from religions...
A God that punishes people FOREVER!? Why do so few religious people have a problem with this...? I could never accept any God that would make someone exist only to suffer.. If it were AT LEAST Hell, and then death some time after.. But Hell, the most horrible torture imaginable, FOREVER? That's not fucking okay.. That shit isn't human.. A lot of people justify that, because well, it's God right?
Seriously.. Even if you DO pick the one out of a million religions and fit the requirements to make it to Heaven.. How could someone accept a God that might punish people you care about FOREVER..? I don't understand how religious people can justify that to themselves, in real life, most people are against the death penalty, because you see value in life, but some of you would accept eternal torture as a punishment..?
That's like, let's not send that guy to prison.. But let's not kill him either.. How about we just... Keep him alive.. and torture him as painfully as possible for as long as we can..? Except God can do that for eternity... How do so many people accept that..? 
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