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guey rooots!!!!!!!!!!
    #537618 - 03/17/11 11:24 AM (13 years, 14 days ago)

just recently but my two female plants in a 10 gallon tubaware. with only five gallons in it. but when i pick it up to see the roots. it does look like them got a bit longer. but all i see is guey lookin roots. someone help me know wht tht could mean.

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Re: guey rooots!!!!!!!!!! [Re: jutfan]
    #537620 - 03/17/11 11:35 AM (13 years, 14 days ago)

wtf are "guey" looking roots?


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Re: guey rooots!!!!!!!!!! [Re: Harry_Ba11sach]
    #537623 - 03/17/11 11:55 AM (13 years, 14 days ago)

here is a pic of what i was talking about.remember this is my first time growing so im making sure every lil thing i see i ask about so i can know for the future and couldnt find anything tht related to it



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Re: guey rooots!!!!!!!!!! [Re: jutfan]
    #537625 - 03/17/11 12:35 PM (13 years, 14 days ago)

Ok I'm still not really sure what the word "guey" is supposed to mean, but I can tell you those roots look absolutely awful. Is that plant still alive? if it is then I'd give it at most another week until it isn't.

You need to get ALL the algae out of that tank and off those roots. Buy some physan 20 and some H2O2 and go nuts on that shit, like seriously those roots should be sparkling white from top to bottom, and that slime is literally going to choke the plant out. Change the water in the reservoir and COMPLETELY lightproof the entire system. Also, run the tank for a couple days with water, Physan20 and H2O2 to kill everything in there and then start again with fresh nutrients. Hopefully we can save your plant but that's pretty bad.

What's the water temperature? I'd guess around 80 or 90 degrees.


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Re: guey rooots!!!!!!!!!! *DELETED* [Re: jutfan]
    #537628 - 03/17/11 01:02 PM (13 years, 14 days ago)

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Re: guey rooots!!!!!!!!!! [Re: wishcouldeletethis]
    #537631 - 03/17/11 01:09 PM (13 years, 14 days ago)

Hahaha oohhhhh, that's the word he was trying to say. I couldn't figure that out for the life of me. :lol:


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Re: guey rooots!!!!!!!!!! [Re: Harry_Ba11sach]
    #537660 - 03/17/11 03:53 PM (13 years, 14 days ago)

damn damn damn that fucking sucks. hopefully we can keep them alive. they look really healthy with a bit of heat stress on top due to me lowering it but i highered it back up/so what do i do when i buy the stuff . just throw it in there with it are get a new set of water an throw the


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1. Are you growing from seed or clones?seeds
2. How old are your plants? about 26 days of veggie
3. How tall are your plants? lil more than a foot
4. What type of hydro system are you using? dwc
5. What brand/type of nutrients are you using? biothrive
6. What is the Ph of your nutrient solution?6.5
7. What is the PPM/EC of your tap water? 10 to 15, get 5 gallon jugs at heb
8. What is the PPM/EC of your nutrient solution???
9. What is the temperature of your nutrient solution???
10. Does your PPM/EC show a rise or fall when you do your daily PPM check? rise
11. Does your pH show a rise or fall when you do your daily check?rise
12. Do you foliar feed or spray your plants with anything?n/a
13. What kind of lights do you use and how many watts combined? (HPS, MH, fluorescent, halogen, incandescent "plant lights")just a 400watt mh
14. How close are your lights to the plants?about 2ft
15. What size is your grow space in square feet?12*12
16. What is the temperature and humidity in your grow space?80
17. Have you noticed any insect activity in your grow space?no
18. How much experience do you have growing?reading

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Re: guey rooots!!!!!!!!!! [Re: jutfan]
    #537663 - 03/17/11 03:56 PM (13 years, 14 days ago)

im going to the ponics store to get tht stuff. be right back on after a bit. i dont wanna lose my girls. alos to add i dont have an inline fan yet, tht were alot of the heat is coming from

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Re: guey rooots!!!!!!!!!! [Re: jutfan]
    #537665 - 03/17/11 03:59 PM (13 years, 14 days ago)

The Physan20 is a miracle cure for algae I've found. And H2O2, don't skimp, get the 30% stuff


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Re: guey rooots!!!!!!!!!! *DELETED* [Re: jutfan]
    #537675 - 03/17/11 05:12 PM (13 years, 14 days ago)

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Re: guey rooots!!!!!!!!!! [Re: wishcouldeletethis]
    #537678 - 03/17/11 05:26 PM (13 years, 14 days ago)

ok gotcha. for now. in the container i have 2 9inch air stones. i will add another just to see how it goes.i did buy some sm-90 just to throw in there an see how much it would help. but i take total responsibility what you dont know is before i put them in the tub (2 days ago) i had them in a plastic tubaware an it was see threw.,, what can i say im an amature.

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Re: guey rooots!!!!!!!!!! [Re: wishcouldeletethis]
    #537679 - 03/17/11 05:29 PM (13 years, 14 days ago)

in a bucket this is much easier.

Your ph should also be roughly 5.8, not 6.5

With that kind of growth you definitely have a lack of air and more than likely, light leaks.



tomorow i am going to go get some buckets so this dont ever happen again. but i didint know that i always saw keep it 5.8 threw 6.5 so i didnt think 6.5 was a bad thing. misunderstanding on my part.

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Re: guey rooots!!!!!!!!!! [Re: wishcouldeletethis]
    #537681 - 03/17/11 05:57 PM (13 years, 14 days ago)

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Use Physan20 at 1mL per 10 gallons and I would only let it sit in your reservoir for 12hrs before dumping and starting fresh. Physan20 is some strrrrong stuff and can very easily kill sick/weakened plants.

H202 in my opinion is nowhere near as effective as upping the air in your reservoir.

Before adding the physan take your plants to your kitchen sink and hose off your roots with the spray hose using cold water, just don't blast them with too much water pressure.

I do not know why you are using a 10gallon tub and filling it to 5 gallons but I would switch to, two 5 gallon buckets. You need to fill your water with air bubbles and not have dead spots, in a bucket this is much easier.

Your ph should also be roughly 5.8, not 6.5

With that kind of growth you definitely have a lack of air and more than likely, light leaks.




I've never had issues with Physan20 hurting my plants, but I guess I've also never had them looking like this one before either. Good advice :thumbup:

As for the H2O2, it does far more than just oxygenate the reservoir. It's an actual sterilization agent as well as a heavy oxidant so it will help dissolve dead tissues, both necrotic roots AND dead algae. So instead of a bunch of dead organic matter floating around in there in chunks after the physan the Hydrogen Peroxide will dissolve the dead tissues. Of course he should always work on increasing dissolved O2, but I wouldn't discount the effectiveness and importance of H2O2


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Re: guey rooots!!!!!!!!!! *DELETED* [Re: Harry_Ba11sach]
    #537688 - 03/17/11 06:24 PM (13 years, 14 days ago)

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Re: guey rooots!!!!!!!!!! [Re: wishcouldeletethis]
    #537698 - 03/17/11 07:44 PM (13 years, 14 days ago)

ok i got you. i just added another battery powered air pump just to help so theres a good pit of oxygen pumping in there now.. but i plan on doing that with the next day are so, to see if me doing wht i did helped anything.

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Re: guey rooots!!!!!!!!!! [Re: jutfan]
    #537699 - 03/17/11 07:48 PM (13 years, 14 days ago)

Just adding air at this point won't do anything though. Increasing dissolved oxygen, lowering the water temps and fixing light leaks will be great for preventing algae in the future, but with the amount of nasties on those roots right now you NEED to get Physan20 or something similar and some H2O2 immediately to kill the existing algae.


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Re: guey rooots!!!!!!!!!! [Re: Harry_Ba11sach]
    #537703 - 03/17/11 08:14 PM (13 years, 14 days ago)

yes i well do that too i just got to wait till the water gets done sitting out for a bit. so that it dont kill the roots. from what iv heard it will. are am i wrong. cause thats the reason i havnt done so yet.

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Re: guey rooots!!!!!!!!!! [Re: jutfan]
    #537710 - 03/17/11 08:58 PM (13 years, 14 days ago)

What do you mean sitting out? Like to let the chlorine evaporate? If that's what you're talking about then I wouldn't worry about it. The algae on your roots is 1000% worse for the plant than tap water.


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Re: guey rooots!!!!!!!!!! [Re: Harry_Ba11sach]
    #537720 - 03/17/11 09:29 PM (13 years, 14 days ago)

If anything the chlorine would help the problem right now..

I would at this point though be doing daily res changes. Look into some products called Hygrozyme and FloraShield. I use them for fungus related root problems. They help break down all of the foreign growth or "gooey" shit.

But really though your roots should look like this.



Also what temp is your res at? Do you have a decent air pump? Is there any light going into your res at all? These are some things to consider because they are all factors in growth like that.

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Re: guey rooots!!!!!!!!!! [Re: Dephect]
    #537724 - 03/17/11 09:46 PM (13 years, 14 days ago)

ok i got you. but the thing is the container i just put it in wasnt the same container it had been in for the past 24 days. so not even a day ago i put them in the 10 gallon container with five gallons.like i said earlyer the first container it had been in for about 24 days thts orginally where it started in it looked like tht when i put it in the 10 gallon container. i went an filled up another five gallons in my jug at the store.so now that you HAVE MORE INFO, should i wait to see how well the sm-90 works, an i did take it to the sink an rinsed it with cold water an 80% of it fell off. in my containter the ppm is less than 800 an the ph is about 6.0 still trying to lower it. the water before everything only had a ppm of 10

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Re: guey rooots!!!!!!!!!! [Re: jutfan]
    #537737 - 03/17/11 10:20 PM (13 years, 14 days ago)

i dont know wht to do, one of my plants s curling up an it hasnt been tht curled up.

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Re: guey rooots!!!!!!!!!! [Re: jutfan]
    #537762 - 03/17/11 11:58 PM (13 years, 14 days ago)

It's curling up because it's choking to death from all the shit on it's roots!!



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What's the water temperature? I'd guess around 80 or 90 degrees.



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Increasing dissolved oxygen, lowering the water temps and fixing light leaks



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Also what temp is your res all? Do you have a decent air pump? Is there any light going into your res at all? These are some things to consider because they are all factors in growth like that.





I have to admit I'm getting a little sick of you asking for advice and then ignoring our suggestions and questions. It seems pretty obvious you don't really give that much of a shit.

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Physan20




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sm-90




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Re: guey rooots!!!!!!!!!! [Re: Harry_Ba11sach]
    #537792 - 03/18/11 07:08 AM (13 years, 14 days ago)

nah men i aint ignoring i just cant get to the physan till todsy, witch i am up at 8 am so i can do so, and i am takin yalss advice seriuos, so dont get butt hurt men, and im going to get the buckets too. but there are four airstones in the ten gallon container,but i dont know the temp of the res

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Re: guey rooots!!!!!!!!!! [Re: Harry_Ba11sach]
    #537807 - 03/18/11 08:17 AM (13 years, 14 days ago)

I prefer Physan simply for the smell, but have gotten similar results with a 10% bleach solution

PS where do you generally find h2o2 in bulk?

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Re: guey rooots!!!!!!!!!! [Re: kyuzo]
    #537811 - 03/18/11 08:26 AM (13 years, 14 days ago)

ahh 'guey' roots

I even tried googling it :laugh2:

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    #537812 - 03/18/11 08:33 AM (13 years, 14 days ago)

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PS where do you generally find h2o2 in bulk?




Any hydroponic store will carry the 30% solution by the gallon for a surprisingly good price. It's very effective that way because you can just dilute it as needed, or use it at max strength for serious sterilization (but don't put it on the roots at full strength!!)

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ahh 'guey' roots

I even tried googling it :laugh2:





Haha yeah...... me too.....


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Re: guey rooots!!!!!!!!!! [Re: Harry_Ba11sach]
    #537825 - 03/18/11 09:33 AM (13 years, 13 days ago)

ok got everything i need lets hope they can be saved

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Re: guey rooots!!!!!!!!!! [Re: jutfan]
    #537874 - 03/18/11 01:42 PM (13 years, 13 days ago)

Dilute the H202 at 8ml/gal. Then after a week if improvement is made lower it down to 5ml. H202 in high concentration is corrosive to the roots.

DAILY RES CHANGES

Bacteria will break down and build up in there if your doing everything right. You need to change that nasty res out every day for the first week at least.

Also a trick to lowering the temp in the res is putting a few ice cubes in there. I used filter water for my ice cubes but in this case mentioned before if your using tap its fine. You need to get it down to 60-70 at least.

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Re: guey rooots!!!!!!!!!! [Re: wishcouldeletethis]
    #538535 - 03/20/11 11:13 PM (13 years, 11 days ago)

hey im back. so its been about a day or so of doing what yall advized to me, i putting the pics up of the two plants that came out the same tub, with the same diagnoses. the big one is the one that had the pic above.  the little one is the one that suffered the most, but since iv done what yall said an i also added supperthrive to it too, not alot.
i well update a pic in a couple of days. to see how well the process has helped.


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Re: guey rooots!!!!!!!!!! [Re: jutfan]
    #538541 - 03/20/11 11:30 PM (13 years, 11 days ago)

first one is salvageable if you're diligent. The second one has been dead for a week at least already, throw it out.


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Re: guey rooots!!!!!!!!!! [Re: Harry_Ba11sach]
    #538577 - 03/21/11 12:09 AM (13 years, 11 days ago)

Yeah i thought about it but there is alot more green then there was the day before
So im going to see how the next 3 days go before i decide too.

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Re: guey rooots!!!!!!!!!! [Re: wishcouldeletethis]
    #538696 - 03/21/11 12:08 PM (13 years, 10 days ago)

thanx for the info, an yeah there just over three weeks in veg, but im thinking of tossing it out, just waiting to see if my clones root sucessfully, but yeah i gotcha i have a matt for the whole room just havent put it down yet thanx thoguh

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Re: guey rooots!!!!!!!!!! [Re: jutfan]
    #538706 - 03/21/11 12:51 PM (13 years, 10 days ago)

i kno they said not to use the hydrogen peroxide directly on the roots but when i found out that i may have had a bad bottle of aqua shield witch made my rez grow alge i took the plant out sprayed it off at the sink then i sprayed the roots directly and let sit for 30 sec so it was not on there for long then i dunked the roots into a bucket of plain water for another 2 min while i got my rez set back up and the next day i had new root growth with pearly white roots(btw i did it once a day for 2 days also). i dont recommended taking what i did to heart and it was purely a trial and error process o and it was a male plant so i did not care if i killed it. like i said it was an experiment with house hold items.


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