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THEBats said:
Yeah reading probability isn't luck.

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Of course not, but probability is equated to luck.  I play poker, i prefer texas hold em' but i also play other types of poker.  While there is definitly skill involved in it, it is mostly luck... that is why phil said "If luck wasn't involved, i would win every time."

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What other types of poker you play?  And probability isn't equated to luck.  If I have 10% equity in a hand, which makes me a huge dog and I wouldn't be in the hand in the first place, but on average, one out of every ten times, I'll win.  Luck doesn't tell me that, the math did   To be honest, I think you're just trolling

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THEBats said:
So how does one get into online poker?  Where you play, where should one read up and how much extra cash you make on average?

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You either deposit onto the site or win some money in a freeroll to get started.  You should read and learn anything you can about poker, books, internet forums, and once you've learned it, learn it again.  Watch videos, talk to people, and play to get experience.  You're probably going to lose at first, but if you stick with it, you can win.  It takes some dedication, and I didn't think that it did at first and lost a few hundred, but all in all, I'm way up over that now and feel like I'm a way better player.  Depends on what stakes you're playing as to how much you can expect to make.  They have software out now, I don't really use it that much like I used to, but it can show you where you're losing, what position at the table in which you're losing or winning, what hands, graphs, player histories and tendencies, etc. etc.  But the variance is higher in the lowest stakes because of donks playing stupid cards, 93 off, 27, etc. etc. and getting lucky with them.  If you play them right though, you can take their money like taking candy from a baby.  Once you move up in stakes though, you won't have as high of variance, but the games do get tougher because of better players.

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Tangerines said:
Why hasn't some smart motherfucker created a bot based on some algorithms dealing with poker probability and how to bet accordingly?  Or have they?

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It could never be done because of different players playing differently.  One player might not play a hand the same way as another player.  This player might call a bet with 3rd pair, where as another player might not. There's no clear cut way to do things, it's a mixture of style, math, position, player histories, fold equity, hand ranges, odds, implied odds, and a bunch of other shit in poker.  Doyle Brunson (legendary player) wrote about it in a book he wrote back in the 70s that revolutionized poker.  It's called Super System.  I actually have it.  I was thinking the same thing when I first started playing, but he explains it rather well in the book.

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FarBeyondDriven said:
Dude, just stop while you're somewhat ahead.  You're wrong, plain and simple.  There's luck involved, yes, it's actually called variance.  But tell me this, when you see it on tv, why is it always the same faces?  You mean to tell me that out of the millions of poker players all over the world, amateur or pro, that those guys are the luckiest of them all?

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THEBats said:
Yeah reading probability isn't luck.  You can do the same with blackjack, which certainly has more luck factor involved, yet if you are good you can still come out on top in the long run if you're good with probability.

I guess you could say your odds of winning on one hand is luck but winning in the long run depends on skill.

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The long run is what it's all about.  When I first started playing, I was losing money out the ass.  Read up, learned some stuff, that doesn't happen anymore   No millionaire by any means, but for a single guy with a lot on his plate, it does the trick.

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FarBeyondDriven said:


and you know this how?

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I dealt poker for 5 years in Vegas.

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Really?  What casino, what stakes and all?

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