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Should all drugs be legal?
    #510017 - 12/30/10 06:04 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

I think we can all agree that pot should be legal, but what about the other drugs?  Heroin, coke, dmt, androsteendion, etc.  Should those drugs be legal and available for anyone who wants to try them?
Should all drugs be legal?
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Re: Should all drugs be legal? [Re: FurrowedBrow]
    #510020 - 12/30/10 06:08 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

It's hard to say if the positives would outweigh the negatives, but I know as it stands right now the negatives outweigh the positives, so I'm gonna have to say yes, but only for like a trial period, and ofcourse we would need to educate the kids on how dangerous drugs like H, crack, and meff, can be to your physical and mental wellbeing.

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Re: Should all drugs be legal? [Re: Big_tiggy]
    #510023 - 12/30/10 06:17 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

They should all be legal in my opinion.
Since drugs seem to bring happiness why are they illegal?
My point is that humans tend to not exceed the age of 100.. so since we all at this point will only live 100 years or less, who has the right to take away the fun we want to have with our lives?

I believe drugs like marijuana and mushrooms should be regulated kind of like alcohol is today.. but the other "harder" drugs such as cocaine, heroin, molly, etc.. should be regulated as prescription drugs, the person can only have so much of the "harder" drug per day, so not everyone would be OD'ing.. and maybe even a service that checks on the user every few hours to make sure they're doing okay.

But my vote is Yes, the feelings caused by the drugs are priceless imo.

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Re: Should all drugs be legal? [Re: FurrowedBrow]
    #510024 - 12/30/10 06:51 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

The entire concept of drugs being "illegal" is illegitimate IMO.


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The amount of pot that Gask smokes is equivalent to a guy shooting heroin on weekends

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Re: Should all drugs be legal? [Re: drawde]
    #510026 - 12/30/10 07:08 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Some drugs are bad and shouldn't be legal, others should be. I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say something crazy.................. I think marijuana should be legal.:ooo:

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Re: Should all drugs be legal? [Re: Steve Buscemi]
    #510034 - 12/30/10 08:02 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Yes or else you create a black market by making it illegal. Now who wants that?


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Re: Should all drugs be legal? [Re: Steve Buscemi]
    #510036 - 12/30/10 08:06 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Many people don't use drugs cause they are illegal. Making all drugs legal would increase the numbers of people addicted to the drugs, you'd have to be a retard to think it wouldn't. Now while being a addict wouldn't be illegal the stuff they would do to get the drugs that they can't afford would be.  :syringe:


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Re: Should all drugs be legal? [Re: Magash]
    #510039 - 12/30/10 08:18 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Im still sort of undecided, both sides have there ups and downs.


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Re: Should all drugs be legal? [Re: Magash] * 1
    #510041 - 12/30/10 08:20 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

I think all should be legal. Most of the danger in using street drugs is in their impurity. If all drugs were made legal to use and legal to research, then people would be able to use pure product with less risk. People are going to use drugs one way or the other. The war on drugs has failed. It might aswell be done in a controlled way which will make it much safer for users.


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Re: Should all drugs be legal? [Re: Magash] * 1
    #510052 - 12/30/10 09:04 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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Krackatus said:
I think all should be legal. Most of the danger in using street drugs is in their impurity. If all drugs were made legal to use and legal to research, then people would be able to use pure product with less risk. People are going to use drugs one way or the other. The war on drugs has failed. It might aswell be done in a controlled way which will make it much safer for users.





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I say yes, all drugs should be legal. People should have the right to put what ever they want in their bodies. I think it would be wrong to legalize most drugs, but keep certain select things such as meth or heroin illegal....



If the drugs were controlled in some way, with consistent potency and purity, the "risks" associated with hard drugs would drop quite a bit...Along with bringing in an honest, strait forward drug education system, not this DARE propaganda bullshit. DARE pretty much says drugs are bad, don't do them. Instead of saying no don't do drugs, we need to educate in a non-biased way. Laying out the strait facts about drugs, how they act within out bodies, the real risks associated with them, etc.


And most of all, stop treating drug addicts (and users) like criminals. Rather than locking them up, help and give treatment to those that need it. If they don't want help, shit, their life :shrug: ...












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Many people don't use drugs cause they are illegal. Making all drugs legal would increase the numbers of people addicted to the drugs, you'd have to be a retard to think it wouldn't....






I don't think this would happen...

Look at places like Portugal that have completely decriminalized drugs, after a short spike in over all use, statistics show that drug use actually dropped :shrug: . Though decriminalization is different from outright legalization...



In 2001, Portugal became the first European country to abolish all criminal penalties for personal drug possession. In addition, drug users were to be targeted with therapy rather than prison sentences. Research commissioned by the Cato Institute and led by Glenn Greenwald found that in the five years after the start of decriminalisation, illegal drug use by teenagers had declined, the rate of HIV infections among drug users had dropped, deaths related to heroin and similar drugs had been cut by more than half, and the number of people seeking treatment for drug addiction had doubled



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Re: Should all drugs be legal? [Re: Magash] * 1
    #510054 - 12/30/10 09:10 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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Magash said:
Many people don't use drugs cause they are illegal. Making all drugs legal would increase the numbers of people addicted to the drugs, you'd have to be a retard to think it wouldn't. Now while being a addict wouldn't be illegal the stuff they would do to get the drugs that they can't afford would be.  :syringe:




Even though I disagree with this sentiment I say let them anyway. Who has the right to tell another what they can or cannot do with themselves?


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The amount of pot that Gask smokes is equivalent to a guy shooting heroin on weekends

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Re: Should all drugs be legal? [Re: drawde]
    #510057 - 12/30/10 09:15 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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...Who has the right to tell another what they can or cannot do with themselves?






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Re: Should all drugs be legal? [Re: openmind]
    #510064 - 12/30/10 09:50 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Tough question FB.  There's ups and downs to each side of the story.


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Re: Should all drugs be legal? [Re: FarBeyondDriven]
    #510075 - 12/30/10 10:16 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

I've struggled with this question a lot in the past. I don't think so personally. I know firsthand how nasty addiction can get. Not just for the person but for anyone who cares about them. Think of the people running wild on Xanax and Meth binges if it was legal. The crimes that would be commited by people on 2 week Meth binges. The wrecks on people nodding out at the wheel. The overdoses. The parents, children and friends who's life's are consumed with watching someone they love slowly kill themselves. How are you supposed to tell someone to stop if its legal?

Saying 'yeah man freedom! You have the right to put what you want in your body'  sounds great and revolutionary said like that.  But I think you need to play the tape out. Understand that it wouldn't just effect the person taking the drug. There are cause and effects wr can't begin to immagine. But the ones I can immagine are still frightening  enough for me to say hell no.

And on top of that do we really want to be a society characterized by chemicals?


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niteowl said:
See, that term pedo gets thrown around a lot.
Is a 16 year old guy having sex w/a 16 year old girl a pedophile?
If not, then how is a 30 year old considered a pedophile for doing the same thing?
I think y'all need to look up the definition for pedophile.

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Re: Should all drugs be legal? [Re: still beLIEve] * 1
    #510079 - 12/30/10 10:20 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

But aren't we already there, just in denial of our countries problem?

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Re: Should all drugs be legal? [Re: FurrowedBrow] * 1
    #510080 - 12/30/10 10:21 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

All drugs should be legal.

Obviously, some drugs are very dangerous and not the smartest choice to use. But it's all about freedom and once we start restricting one thing, it's easier to restrict another that shouldn't be illegal.
People, be free and learn. Make your own decisions.


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Re: Should all drugs be legal? [Re: still beLIEve]
    #510081 - 12/30/10 10:24 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

I agree with that.  People won't stop now when using becomes a problem and it's illegal, imagine trying to get them to stop when it's legal.  It would be insanely hard, if not impossible for most.


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Re: Should all drugs be legal? [Re: FRACTALife]
    #510085 - 12/30/10 10:36 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

All about the freedom stuff is such a joke. Pick up any addict off the street and ask him just how free he feels.

Hey Inverted your out there somewhere. Just how free are you feeling right about now?

I know this if it became legal to do any drug you like it should be legal to blow that persons brains out when you catch him breaking into your house to try and rip off shit so he can score his now legal drug.

It's funny, the same people who bitch about freedom are the same people that bitch about their tax dollars being used to clean up the mess.


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Re: Should all drugs be legal? [Re: FRACTALife]
    #510087 - 12/30/10 10:41 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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But aren't we already there, just in denial of our countries problem?




For sure. But do we fix the problem by feeding people more of the medicine that caused tthe.problem?

I don't know the answer. But I know legalization isn't it.

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People, be free and learn. Make your own decisions.




There you go with that hippy bullshit again.

What happens when someones.'free decisions' impacts your life? What if a drunk driver killer.your dad? Or a xannied out dude needed cash broke in to your house for more money to but his legal drugs? I understand this shit already happens. But if drugs are made legal all this would happen on a much larger scale.

I'm all for freedom and rights. but this just doesn't make sense
Some type of preventative measure has to be taken to preserve the saftey of others.


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niteowl said:
See, that term pedo gets thrown around a lot.
Is a 16 year old guy having sex w/a 16 year old girl a pedophile?
If not, then how is a 30 year old considered a pedophile for doing the same thing?
I think y'all need to look up the definition for pedophile.

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Re: Should all drugs be legal? [Re: still beLIEve]
    #510092 - 12/30/10 10:44 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

I have a feeling many of the people saying ' yeah legalize drugs brah' don't have a firm grip on addiction and how far it actually reaches.

Addiction doesn't just effect the person doing drugs. It never does. If it did it would be another issue.


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niteowl said:
See, that term pedo gets thrown around a lot.
Is a 16 year old guy having sex w/a 16 year old girl a pedophile?
If not, then how is a 30 year old considered a pedophile for doing the same thing?
I think y'all need to look up the definition for pedophile.

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Re: Should all drugs be legal? [Re: openmind]
    #510095 - 12/30/10 10:54 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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In 2001, Portugal became the first European country to abolish all criminal penalties for personal drug possession. In addition, drug users were to be targeted with therapy rather than prison sentences. Research commissioned by the Cato Institute and led by Glenn Greenwald found that in the five years after the start of decriminalisation, illegal drug use by teenagers had declined, the rate of HIV infections among drug users had dropped, deaths related to heroin and similar drugs had been cut by more than half, and the number of people seeking treatment for drug addiction had doubled



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Re: Should all drugs be legal? [Re: T-Rex] * 1
    #510098 - 12/30/10 10:59 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

to that last part, i think people who are addicted are more ashamed to admit it when the drugs are illegal.


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Re: Should all drugs be legal? [Re: iStoner]
    #510100 - 12/30/10 11:03 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

That might very well be true. And it's not like in super opposed to it. But I do think we need to have a.number of saftey nets, programs and things of that sort see up.


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niteowl said:
See, that term pedo gets thrown around a lot.
Is a 16 year old guy having sex w/a 16 year old girl a pedophile?
If not, then how is a 30 year old considered a pedophile for doing the same thing?
I think y'all need to look up the definition for pedophile.

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Re: Should all drugs be legal? [Re: iStoner]
    #510103 - 12/30/10 11:22 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

I think SB and Magash's arguments are more prepared than yours Fractal :lol:  Ya'll have persuaded me.  The more and more I think about it, no, drugs shouldn't be legalized, not all of them anyway.  The crime rate would go up like a motherfucker with heads and junkies trying to get a fix for the legal drug, but doing illegal things to get it, and I'm sure people who didn't used to do it when it was illegal, would be doing it then.  Think about this, you're in a bar one night, everybody's fucked up and somebody offers you a line of coke.  The guy says nah man I'm good, the other guy says well it's legal now.  Other guy says, ok well I guess I'll try it and blows a line right on the bar, just because it's legal.  How many times do you think that would happen all across the country/world Fractal?  Therefore making some new addicts.


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Re: Should all drugs be legal? [Re: FarBeyondDriven]
    #510121 - 12/31/10 06:51 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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I think SB and Magash's arguments are more prepared than yours Fractal :lol:  Ya'll have persuaded me.  The more and more I think about it, no, drugs shouldn't be legalized, not all of them anyway.  The crime rate would go up like a motherfucker with heads and junkies trying to get a fix for the legal drug, but doing illegal things to get it, and I'm sure people who didn't used to do it when it was illegal, would be doing it then.  Think about this, you're in a bar one night, everybody's fucked up and somebody offers you a line of coke.  The guy says nah man I'm good, the other guy says well it's legal now.  Other guy says, ok well I guess I'll try it and blows a line right on the bar, just because it's legal.  How many times do you think that would happen all across the country/world Fractal?  Therefore making some new addicts.




You haven't heard his argument, just a statement of opinion.  Just because there's a potential for addiction doesn't mean we should eliminate a fundamental right!  People MUST take responsibility for their own actions and education.  The same goes for their children.  Why is it the goverrnment's responsibility to educate our youth about drugs?  I wouldn't be so quick to form that kind of opinion FBD.  As I have read the responses and seen the polling in this thread I have lost some hope.  If WE can't agree on this issue then we will never get anyone else to.  Here are a couple things i posted in the other thread. 

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He understands making heroin and coke illegal?!  I hate people that stand up for pot but then say that they can sympathize with the illegality of hard drugs. 

morale of that story -

dangerous freedom > peaceful slavery

I really do wonder how many pot advocates think like this.  They are missing the point.  This is a fucking human rights issue.  Drug and pot advocates should be advocating human rights, not a particular drug they enjoy.  That's part of the fucking problem right there!




And this one is for those who speak of the perils of addiction.  It's addiction that's the problem, not the drug! 

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Furrowed you speak truth, but ive seen peoples lives get fucked up so much because of hard drugs.




So?  Like shrooms said.  isn't that their own fault?  Shouldn't they be held accountable for their actions?  Is it the government's responsibility to educate us about drugs?  I don't really think so.  Why should I add my money to do something that parents should do themselves?  All drugs should be available to the public and harm reduction should be the policy.  We all know of the damage that addiction can cause.  You aren't the only one who has dealt with it or know people that have.  That's not an argument.  I doubt that is really your argument but I just wanted to add that since you added the 'but' in there as if to provide a contradiction to my statement.  But I have to ask...Do you fall into that category of not thinking all drugs should be legal?  I'm going to throw up a poll in a new thread for shits.




You may envision a world where drugs are legal and people run around shooting themselves up on a park bench.  Well i say that we have the addiction problems that we have because of prohibition AND our lack of a solid education about illicit drugs.  Harm reduction is the policy we need here.  A person should be able to shoot heroin in their eyeball if they want to, absent harm to others.  And yes, that would include doing it in a secure, safe place, with a pure drug that has a dosage that is carefully measured.  Most normal people in america would be harmed just by seeing someone shoot up.  There would be regulations to this.  However, this is all beside the point.  We aren't debating what policy should be in place here, just whether they should be legal. 

I think that to say one drug should be legal and another not, is incredibly hypocritical, regardless of the reasoning.  Once a drug is synthesized it's property of all mankind, regardless of who holds the patent on it.  That only entitles benefit from the work used to create it. 

Also this crime rate going up argument is exactly what the anti drug forces argue.  Legalize drugs and we'll have chaos!!!!  :lol:  It's fear mongering!  Yeah that may be true in a society of fucking idiots who shouldn't be in the gene pool anyway.  However, this is a principle issue to what it means to be free in the modern era.


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Re: Should all drugs be legal? [Re: Magash] * 1
    #510126 - 12/31/10 07:38 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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Magash said:
All about the freedom stuff is such a joke. Pick up any addict off the street and ask him just how free he feels.

Hey Inverted your out there somewhere. Just how free are you feeling right about now?




Laws do not make for a more responsible society, thats a fact. There will always be junkies whether it is legal or not, as their root issue has nothing to do with drugs.

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I know this if it became legal to do any drug you like it should be legal to blow that persons brains out when you catch him breaking into your house to try and rip off shit so he can score his now legal drug.




You of all people should know the price of drugs are massively inflated due to their criminalization.

I will take dangerous freedom over peaceful slavery anyway.

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It's funny, the same people who bitch about freedom are the same people that bitch about their tax dollars being used to clean up the mess.




Nah, I only bitch when my tax dollars are used to fund a war that is strictly for imperialist purposes. In the utilitarian sense you seem to have about cleaning up social problems, the amount the war in the middle east costs each year could more than cover all your countries social problems combined x10.


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Re: Should all drugs be legal? [Re: FurrowedBrow] * 1
    #510127 - 12/31/10 07:50 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

To still believe and magash, I don't think legalizing drugs will cause more problems or increase in use, people will make their own choice on the matter either way, illegal or legal. If they want to use drugs they're gonna use em.
Infact with the way things are now, the education on drugs and the abuse of them and the consequences is very poor. I've seen addicts and even been one myself, I shot heroin off and on for 3 years since I was 18, and only quit because I ran outa money. I made the choice to start, I am the one who walked up to a known junky and asked for it, I put that needle in my arm.

People have choices, and with good education, maybe even a first hand look on what addiction does to someones life those choices can be swayed to the better side of things.

On the flip side, I made the choice to quit, even though you're FUBAR all the time doesn't mean you don't see how its ruining you. When you get hooked on shit like H, crack, meth etc. thats when you're choices get limited. You either seek help or die.

Open and honest education is the first step for prevention, but if prevention fails, treatment is the next option. Sending people to jail don't do shit. You can still get drugs while you're in there and the mentality you have when you come out is worse than if you go in.

I'm not saying legalize them and sell them in your local pharmacy, but atleast decriminalize them and stress treatment for the addiction, and counseling to find out the underlying issues. Its a fucking disease people, and there has got to be a better way of dealing with it.

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Re: Should all drugs be legal? [Re: Big_tiggy] * 1
    #510131 - 12/31/10 08:07 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

The problem with drugs is not their legality but the education that surrounds them.  You are never going to end or curb drug abuse through legislation.

Also as far as people not doing drugs because they're illegal, again that comes down to education. 

Do you really think if methamphetamine or crack cocaine were to be made legal tomorrow that everyone who isn't already curious in trying the drug would go out and buy it?  I sure wouldn't and you're an ignorant person if you would. 

Voluntary drug clinic admission is also more successful in preventing return visits then mandatory court ordered drug court.

Argument after argument, you can run through.  The answer is the same each time.  If your goal with drug policy is to reduce the harm of drugs to the individual and the society the best solution, in my mind, will be reached through education and rehabilitation.  I wish I could argue this more, I'm about to leave the house but, I would be glad to debate this with anyone who things otherwise.

Ultimately it comes down to personally responsibility.  Just because some people don't want to carry it, for themselves and their children, doesn't mean you should make drug use a crime.  It is a public health issue. 

Legalization would reduce price, put in place dosage standards and quality standards to prevent drugs from being cut, eliminate a profit margin that can not be made up by any other legal or illegal commodity and set in place voluntary rehabilitation and education made partly from drug taxes.


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you know what i did in english class? I came to class stoned out of my mind every day, i chugged vodka in the back of class, i put dead fish in the ceiling tiles. i put a gallon of old milk and orange juice in the file cabinet before winter vacation. i brought snakes in a tied up sweater and let them loose during class. i didnt go to school to learn, i went because i had to. i didnt care, and i didn't fucking listen to that stupid bitch. and i still don't fucking care. i tore the pages out of her books and burned them, and threw away all the books in the class, two books per day.  :twobooks:

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Re: Should all drugs be legal? [Re: THEBats] * 2
    #510134 - 12/31/10 08:24 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Everything should be legal IMO. The government puts warning labels on everything, so just label the drugs. When people misuse alcohol and die from it, they get blamed, not the people who made the alcohol. Sure, its easier to OD and die on other stuff, but, that is nobodies fault but the person who ODed. Now, I know thats harsh and sounds very cruel, but its what I think is right.

Who has the right to tell me what to put in my body and what not to? Anti-freeze is poison, and I'd die if I drank it. But its not against the law to drink it :shrug:


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Re: Should all drugs be legal? [Re: RasJeph] * 1
    #510142 - 12/31/10 09:18 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah you guys do make some very valid and convincing points
Like I said earlier, I really don't know. My first thought is no, but after a bit of thought i ddo believe I'd rather live in dangerous freedom rather then a peaceful slavery. And I think some of you hit the nail on the head when you said education is the key. And I'm leaning towards  decriminalizing and education/rehabilitation as a good way to go. My opinions aren't set in tstone on this subject because I truly don't know what the best way to handle the situation is. I dont think though that we should jump into fill legalization.


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See, that term pedo gets thrown around a lot.
Is a 16 year old guy having sex w/a 16 year old girl a pedophile?
If not, then how is a 30 year old considered a pedophile for doing the same thing?
I think y'all need to look up the definition for pedophile.

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Re: Should all drugs be legal? [Re: still beLIEve]
    #510171 - 12/31/10 11:33 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

legal and regulated :yesnod:


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Re: Should all drugs be legal? [Re: still beLIEve]
    #510190 - 12/31/10 02:17 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

This is more than a yes or no question for sure.

An FB, I may have been a little quick agree with a yes or no on this, but my thing is this:  We can put all the education and regulation and all that on it that we want, but in the midst of an addiction, how many people are gonna think of the education they have.  None.  And that's pretty much their own fault, sure.  One thing is for sure, this is not a simple yes or no answer, I kind of agree with parts of both arguments to be honest.  One thing I can say is that I would like to see how Portugal is doing 15 years from now.  I'd like to see if the whole country turns into addicts or not.  Maybe if they're doing well over there, we could model a new system after them.  I've said I don't know, yes, and no in this thread :lol:  Bottom line I guess is Yes and No.  There's compelling arguments to both sides.  I personally don't care if it happens or not to be honest.:shrug:


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    #510196 - 12/31/10 02:30 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Take the thrill of being illegal away from drugs, and how would young adults and kids respond? I don't think nearly as many people would knowingly commit to being a junkie as those who are addicts now. Instead of demonizing drugs and adding to the delusion of drug use being something bad asses do, paint a realistic image of people as addicts.

Not many educated people in their right minds would take the life of an addict. It's a disease that a persons irresponsibility brings on, and they and everyone they know have to deal with it. At the same time, admit that drugs can be used responsibly by some individuals, and teach people to know when they are becoming drug abusers, and give them a proper course of action to take. Don't make looking for help with drugs such a big taboo that people would rather be in denial than get the help they need.

But we have a long way to go in the ways of an attitude change in the good ol US of A

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Re: Should all drugs be legal? [Re: FarBeyondDriven]
    #510204 - 12/31/10 03:00 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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We can put all the education and regulation and all that on it that we want, but in the midst of an addiction, how many people are gonna think of the education they have.  None.



I'd like to point out that education is more of a preventative measure, not something for them to fall back on once they make compulsive, uninformed decisions to try new drugs.

However, education should provide the knowledge that addicts can receive help from people who are there to help them recover and get better, not judge them. A lot of the problems with addiction today stem from the fact that nearly all illicit drug use is stigmatized by the fact that they are addicts, and may therefore be less inclined to seek help due to the presumed consequences of revealing their drug use.

Education has the potential to solve everything. Ignorance causes nothing but problems.


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Re: Should all drugs be legal? [Re: FarBeyondDriven]
    #510212 - 12/31/10 04:04 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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still beLIEve said:
Yeah you guys do make some very valid and convincing points
Like I said earlier, I really don't know. My first thought is no, but after a bit of thought i ddo believe I'd rather live in dangerous freedom rather then a peaceful slavery. And I think some of you hit the nail on the head when you said education is the key. And I'm leaning towards  decriminalizing and education/rehabilitation as a good way to go. My opinions aren't set in tstone on this subject because I truly don't know what the best way to handle the situation is. I dont think though that we should jump into fill legalization.




My argument against decriminalization lies in the criminal enterprise still existing, causing gang violence as well as exploitation of locals who could survive no other way.


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This is more than a yes or no question for sure.

An FB, I may have been a little quick agree with a yes or no on this, but my thing is this:  We can put all the education and regulation and all that on it that we want, but in the midst of an addiction, how many people are gonna think of the education they have.  None.  And that's pretty much their own fault, sure.  One thing is for sure, this is not a simple yes or no answer, I kind of agree with parts of both arguments to be honest.  One thing I can say is that I would like to see how Portugal is doing 15 years from now.  I'd like to see if the whole country turns into addicts or not.  Maybe if they're doing well over there, we could model a new system after them.  I've said I don't know, yes, and no in this thread :lol:  Bottom line I guess is Yes and No.  There's compelling arguments to both sides.  I personally don't care if it happens or not to be honest.:shrug:




Well since the Netherlands began to tolerate cannabis use hard drug use rates and cannabis use among teens dropped and they've had their policies since the 70's.  I think the numbers for trying cannabis are something in the range of 35% in the US compared to 12-15% in the Netherlands on one of the data sets I've seen.  I'm sure you can find the data and exact numbers somewhere.


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you know what i did in english class? I came to class stoned out of my mind every day, i chugged vodka in the back of class, i put dead fish in the ceiling tiles. i put a gallon of old milk and orange juice in the file cabinet before winter vacation. i brought snakes in a tied up sweater and let them loose during class. i didnt go to school to learn, i went because i had to. i didnt care, and i didn't fucking listen to that stupid bitch. and i still don't fucking care. i tore the pages out of her books and burned them, and threw away all the books in the class, two books per day.  :twobooks:

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Re: Should all drugs be legal? [Re: FarBeyondDriven] * 1
    #510214 - 12/31/10 04:07 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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FarBeyondDriven said:
This is more than a yes or no question for sure.

An FB, I may have been a little quick agree with a yes or no on this, but my thing is this:  We can put all the education and regulation and all that on it that we want, but in the midst of an addiction, how many people are gonna think of the education they have.  None.  And that's pretty much their own fault, sure.  One thing is for sure, this is not a simple yes or no answer, I kind of agree with parts of both arguments to be honest.  One thing I can say is that I would like to see how Portugal is doing 15 years from now.  I'd like to see if the whole country turns into addicts or not.  Maybe if they're doing well over there, we could model a new system after them.  I've said I don't know, yes, and no in this thread :lol:  Bottom line I guess is Yes and No.  There's compelling arguments to both sides.  I personally don't care if it happens or not to be honest.:shrug:




I think it is a simple yes or no.  Have a little faith in humanity though.  It seems like you've made the assumption that the only reason people don't do hard drugs is because they are illegal.  And that if they are legal everyone would try them.  Granted there are those people that will try them just because they are legal, but why should we deny them that experience to try?  Not everyone is going to be addicted trying coke once.  There are plenty of people like us that know how addicting these harder drugs are but we chose not to involve ourselves with them.  Like people are saying, when someone is in hell of addiction to heroin they are less likely to seek help under a prohibition policy than if it were legal and a nurturing and supportive environment can be supplied.


yes, it takes a change in perspective for everyone to understand that a world can exist where people operate in harmony with drugs openly in society.  Like I said it's a human rights issue.  They should be legal for everyone to use, absent harm to others.  I don't think that this is as radical of an idea as people are making it out to be.  And you ALL support legalization of cannabis.  So i think about that and I think about talking about this kind of an idea with my coworkers or parents and wonder what they would say, or if they could be convinced.  depressing.


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Re: Should all drugs be legal? [Re: FurrowedBrow] * 1
    #510299 - 12/31/10 09:06 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

there was a time in america when ALL drugs were legal, coke, opium, heroin, weed ect. the only thing the drug war did was imprison people and fuel the black market making the cartel gangs super rich and powerfull

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    #510300 - 12/31/10 09:10 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Good point


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See, that term pedo gets thrown around a lot.
Is a 16 year old guy having sex w/a 16 year old girl a pedophile?
If not, then how is a 30 year old considered a pedophile for doing the same thing?
I think y'all need to look up the definition for pedophile.

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    #510308 - 12/31/10 10:10 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Well, I hadn't made the assumption that the only reason everyone hadn't tried illegal dr00gz was because that they were illegal.  I'm sure there are some people who wouldn't turn into junkies or crackheads just because they're smart enough not to, but some people would, and I think it would be more people than we have as crackheads or junkies now.  And no, you're right, everyone wouldn't turn into an addict from one use, but it's usually not one use that does it now.  It's usually a process.  Once here, once there, that one time at a friend's party, then boom, know what I mean?  I mean, I'd say that everyone in this thread is right to be honest.  There's a lot to think about with this issue I think.  The part about absent harm to others I think is impossible too.  I think it was SB who made a good point about addiction hurting family and all that.  That was a very good point.  Wow, this thread could go on forever :lol:


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you know what i did in english class? I came to class stoned out of my mind every day, i chugged vodka in the back of class, i put dead fish in the ceiling tiles. i put a gallon of old milk and orange juice in the file cabinet before winter vacation. i brought snakes in a tied up sweater and let them loose during class. i didnt go to school to learn, i went because i had to. i didnt care, and i didn't fucking listen to that stupid bitch. and i still don't fucking care. i tore the pages out of her books and burned them, and threw away all the books in the class, two books per day.  :twobooks:

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Re: Should all drugs be legal? [Re: Magash]
    #510337 - 01/01/11 02:24 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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Many people don't use drugs cause they are illegal. Making all drugs legal would increase the numbers of people addicted to the drugs, you'd have to be a retard to think it wouldn't. Now while being a addict wouldn't be illegal the stuff they would do to get the drugs that they can't afford would be.  :syringe:




If people were afraid to use drugs because they weren't illegal don't you think they'd be afraid to use hard drugs?

I think my mom may smoke weed if it was legal(slim chance), but if she did she would never do any "drug", even if it were legal at the time

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    #513105 - 01/11/11 08:20 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

i dont think the government shud have a say  in what we put into our own bodies.


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Re: Should all drugs be legal? [Re: pure sativa]
    #513231 - 01/12/11 01:20 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

I've seen to much of my family get fucked by meth. And whether I place the blame on them or not for their choices, I just see the potential for abuse among a lot of hard drugs that kind of obligates some kind of restricting.

Idk what my personal choice of drugs I think are "hard" to me its just something that has a significant amount of harm to your body.

But I mean pot n shit should definitely be full legal. Most hallucinogens are fine, and a fair amount of stimulants. I've heard the horror stories of many opiates though, but I've never really done anything more than OC or had any close friends I've seen get hooked so I have no opinion on the matter, just from my lack of experience around it.

I just feel the need to not let people kill themselves with drugs, if someone in their right mind wants to die I'm also cool with that for reference.

I'm planning on staying away from hard drugs when I go to the city for college, just so I know I don't get hooked.

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    #513239 - 01/12/11 01:55 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

education > prohibition


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Re: Should all drugs be legal? [Re: Shaggy420]
    #513252 - 01/12/11 03:26 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Booedock that's not being a wimp, that's being smart.


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education > prohibition




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you know what i did in english class? I came to class stoned out of my mind every day, i chugged vodka in the back of class, i put dead fish in the ceiling tiles. i put a gallon of old milk and orange juice in the file cabinet before winter vacation. i brought snakes in a tied up sweater and let them loose during class. i didnt go to school to learn, i went because i had to. i didnt care, and i didn't fucking listen to that stupid bitch. and i still don't fucking care. i tore the pages out of her books and burned them, and threw away all the books in the class, two books per day.  :twobooks:

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