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Product Tested * 2
    #509124 - 12/27/10 11:28 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Well my new kick is testing products that are cheaper on the budget to see how they will do. I currently have Nirvana's AK-48 growing with some of my strains and have just finished testing this product.

kellog Soils

The videos are from their web page but are a fair representation of the product.

KELLOGG PATIO PLUS® All Natural Outdoor Potting Soil


My results were as good as using FFOF and the stuff is 5 bucks a bag. Available at Lowes and Home Depot


KELLOGG PREMIUM POTTING SOIL® For Indoor & Outdoor Container Planting



Pretty much the same thing as the Patio Plus but without the Bat Guano and natural fertilizers in it. This is also 5 bucks a bag and at Home Depot and Lowes.


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Re: Product Tested [Re: Magash]
    #509130 - 12/27/10 11:43 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Thanks!! :laugh:

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Re: Product Tested [Re: Magash]
    #509184 - 12/27/10 04:07 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

So Cool.
Don't carry it at my local store or may be a seasonal thing.

Will ck it out.

Thanks Magash, always helpful.


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Re: Product Tested [Re: KaptKid]
    #509188 - 12/27/10 04:15 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

The bags I used for testing I got at Lowes.


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Re: Product Tested [Re: Magash]
    #509411 - 12/28/10 10:06 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Hey Magash.. Is this soil too hot for seedlings?

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Re: Product Tested [Re: The_Philosophy]
    #509420 - 12/28/10 11:06 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

No


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Re: Product Tested [Re: Magash]
    #509853 - 12/29/10 11:26 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

I've been happy with my FFOF like so many others here in the forums use, but that's definately some significant $avings. 

Your advice hasn't steered me off a cliff yet so I may have to get around to trying this soil in the coming months.

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Re: Product Tested [Re: Psuper]
    #509858 - 12/30/10 12:10 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Im all about saving money.  thanks!


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Re: Product Tested [Re: Magash]
    #509992 - 12/30/10 03:51 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

I'm sure it's a good soil but I don't think side by side comparisons are fair for soil. There's so many similarities and differences that make or break a good soil.

-Microbial activity
-Composted vs. Non composted ingredients
-Water retention
-Air porosity
-Available nutrients
-pH buffering capacity
-Humic content
-etc

Are you feeding each watering or just feeding water?

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Re: Product Tested [Re: maryanne3087]
    #510243 - 12/31/10 06:45 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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I'm sure it's a good soil but I don't think side by side comparisons are fair for soil. There's so many similarities and differences that make or break a good soil.




More reason to save $15-20 a bag.


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Re: Product Tested [Re: muse42]
    #510269 - 12/31/10 08:05 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

I'm all for the savings but if I met a soil grower who went through the trouble of testing various brands of soil vs. building his own and was boastful of his discoveries I wouldn't be able to help myself but tell him the errors of his ways. By no means do I have anything against anything Magash posted and appreciate the fact he tested a far cheaper brand vs the indoor standard. I do recall Arjan from the GH seed company claiming he tests 10 different soils with each strain he grows which I found more than humorous.

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Re: Product Tested [Re: maryanne3087]
    #510358 - 01/01/11 07:13 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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maryanne3087 said:
I'm sure it's a good soil but I don't think side by side comparisons are fair for soil. There's so many similarities and differences that make or break a good soil.

-Microbial activity
-Composted vs. Non composted ingredients
-Water retention
-Air porosity
-Available nutrients
-pH buffering capacity
-Humic content
-etc

Are you feeding each watering or just feeding water?




I was using the fox farm chart for soil to feed em. I didn't want to use some home made mix cause that isn't what most people have access to.

Now what your mentioning changes from bag to bag let alone company to company so it should be more then fair. Using ten bags of each and treating like the average person would then posting which has the better results is fair enough for the needs of most people.

So before you give a answer to a question nobody asked yes I agree but for the average grower this is just fine. :wink: (Just busting your balls a little:crazy2: )


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Re: Product Tested [Re: Magash]
    #510373 - 01/01/11 09:33 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

What question are you referring to that nobody asked?

FWIW, most soil heads agree that FoxFarm and most other bagged soils such as Roots Organic and virtually every other commercial soil brand esp those that provide their own nutrients have very low microbial activity due to using worm castings sourced from / fed with paper waste which leaves you with worm castings with very high carbon (good for microbial life) but very little microbial activity/humic content. This is to coax the user into using their bottled nutrients that will introduce the microbial life and fill in the missing pieces.

So basically by using expensive nutrients you're going to fill the gaps of many commercial potting soils. Which is great if that's your goal.

Another problem I commonly hear with FFOF is that it's not pHed or doesn't have a good pH buffering capacity it won't work well if your nutrients aren't either pHing the substrate or if you're not using dolomite lime. This is quite possibly the most beneficial aspect of soil growing saving time not having to pH your nutrient solution, having the ability to feed pH 5 nutrients and have them buffered to an acceptable range.

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Re: Product Tested [Re: maryanne3087]
    #510391 - 01/01/11 01:06 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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Another problem I commonly hear with FFOF is that it's not pHed or doesn't have a good pH buffering capacity it won't work well if your nutrients aren't either pHing the substrate or if you're not using dolomite lime. This is quite possibly the most beneficial aspect of soil growing saving time not having to pH your nutrient solution, having the ability to feed pH 5 nutrients and have them buffered to an acceptable range.




and this is exactly why I don't post unless I've used it myself. I've used Fox Farm products many many times and have never had these problems.



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Re: Product Tested [Re: Magash]
    #510393 - 01/01/11 01:22 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

This is using bottled nutrients?

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Re: Product Tested [Re: maryanne3087]
    #512977 - 01/11/11 11:58 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Magash, did u modify this soil at all prior to using? Also, based on your sweet 16 pics, may I assume you used this soil with a SOG grow? The reason I ask is because I SOG it and dont feed till a month into flower. Thanks


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Re: Product Tested [Re: creep 1nc]
    #513059 - 01/11/11 05:46 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

No I use it right out of the bag. No changes at all. When I test products I like to do it without making any changes to them that other people may not be able to do. :happyweed:


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Re: Product Tested [Re: Magash]
    #513070 - 01/11/11 06:22 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

thanks for the product test Magash, I'm going to give that stuff a try. I think you saw my thread about how ridiculously expensive I think the grow supply companies make the hobby.
screw paying $20-$25 for a bag of FF.


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Re: Product Tested [Re: ChillWillis]
    #513530 - 01/14/11 12:36 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

i pay 20 bucks for a 4 cf bale of soilless pro mix works like a champ


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Re: Product Tested [Re: MR.HEADY]
    #514903 - 01/18/11 12:39 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

How big of a bag are you getting for 5 bucks?


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Re: Product Tested [Re: csmandpking]
    #514938 - 01/18/11 01:42 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

1.5 cu foot. Same size bag as Fox Farm Ocean Forest. :potleaf:


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Re: Product Tested [Re: Magash]
    #514940 - 01/18/11 02:00 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

oh wow nice. Thanks for the answer. Gunna go search me out a few bags.
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Re: Product Tested [Re: csmandpking]
    #515047 - 01/18/11 01:27 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

I got mine from Lowes. I believe that Home Depot has them also. :wink:


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Re: Product Tested [Re: Magash]
    #515053 - 01/18/11 01:34 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Well no luck on finding it. checked the local Lowes and all the nurseries. It doesnt help that is 40 degrees outside. Thanks for the product and ill definitely keep my eyes open for it.
Do you have any idea if this is a national brand or could it only be available is certain areas?
What part of the country did you buy it?


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Re: Product Tested [Re: csmandpking]
    #515062 - 01/18/11 01:43 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

I got it in Cali but from what I can tell it's a national brand.


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Re: Product Tested [Re: Magash]
    #515202 - 01/18/11 03:32 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Thanks man, I'm on the east coast. In this screwed up little town I have trouble finding anything more than miracle grow and scotts. I shall widen my search very soon.


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Re: Product Tested [Re: csmandpking]
    #515304 - 01/18/11 05:37 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

I've been having trouble finding it.
Lowes does not have it on there wed site.
MG and Scott's is all I find so far.
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Re: Product Tested [Re: KaptKid]
    #515305 - 01/18/11 05:48 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Should be soon that the nurseries around here start selling more. Starting plants early is not just a marijuana thing. Though I'm sure most of you know that.
Hopefully I can find enough supplies to make a nice seedling mix to hold me over til I can find this mix.

I was getting some weird looks today, asking for Kellogs brand soil.


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Re: Product Tested [Re: KaptKid]
    #515307 - 01/18/11 05:59 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)



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Re: Product Tested [Re: Magash]
    #515315 - 01/18/11 06:20 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Looks like its unavailable in my area or at any store within 70 miles.
Will just have to stop in and see the manager. Maybe see if it can be ordered.

rather spend $200 on that than FF/OF. That would be alot of bags.


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Re: Product Tested [Re: KaptKid]
    #515319 - 01/18/11 06:30 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

None available within 40 miles of me. Though I have a trip planed to a much much bigger city. I'm sure I can find something there when we go.
Thanks for the link

Edit: Wow, none in all of my state actually. Looks like I'll be holding out.
Kapt if you find something worth using let me know. I'll do the same.


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Re: Product Tested [Re: KaptKid]
    #529593 - 02/22/11 01:44 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Getting info from local Lowes was a pain.
Have to buy a truck load to get it shipped in, $6000 worth is a little more than I need.
Closest Lowes to pick up from is New Mexico.


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Re: Product Tested [Re: KaptKid]
    #529733 - 02/22/11 09:58 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

I just harvested some ak-48 Magash, I'll let you know how it is in a week or so. :thumbup:

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Re: Product Tested [Re: Magash]
    #665537 - 04/10/13 12:47 PM (11 years, 10 days ago)





I have herd nothing but good things so far about Kellogs patio plus.
I was going to get some FFOF but the nearest hyrdo shop is selling them for 18 dollars a piece. 5 dollars seems much more appealing.

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Re: Product Tested [Re: Deadkndys420]
    #665538 - 04/10/13 12:59 PM (11 years, 10 days ago)

Um....why?


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    #665593 - 04/10/13 06:48 PM (11 years, 10 days ago)

Dam Im going to try it Bumbie!!

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Re: Product Tested [Re: budgrowerwannabe]
    #665698 - 04/11/13 11:10 AM (11 years, 9 days ago)

Since it was bumped........... Is this still recommended? No extended release type fertilizers and stuff?

Ive been using FFOF forever and want the same results if not better lol with a cheaper price tag

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Re: Product Tested [Re: PoloDown]
    #665702 - 04/11/13 11:33 AM (11 years, 9 days ago)

From what I hear some people are saying that this is equivalent to FFOF.


ingredients:
composted forest products, canadian peat moss, composted chicken manure, rice hulls, horticultural sand, perlite, bat guano, kelp meal & worm castings



Planted my seedlings in the ground today.

Hope this soil  works well.

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Re: Product Tested [Re: Deadkndys420]
    #665703 - 04/11/13 11:37 AM (11 years, 9 days ago)

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From what I hear some people are saying that this is equivalent to FFOF.


ingredients:
composted forest products, canadian peat moss, composted chicken manure, rice hulls, horticultural sand, perlite, bat guano, kelp meal & worm castings



Planted my seedlings in the ground today.

Hope this soil  works well.

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it sure would save me some money if its just like FFOF.  I just told my friend about this Kellogs and he is being skeptical about it.

Anyone use this stuff in the last 2 years?

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    #665705 - 04/11/13 11:43 AM (11 years, 9 days ago)

Im curious as to why this isnt an exploited product.  you would think everyone would be freaking out at how cheap it is and posting it everywhere.

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Re: Product Tested [Re: PoloDown]
    #665706 - 04/11/13 11:43 AM (11 years, 9 days ago)

This shit isnt GMO packed is it?  Cant remember if Kellogs supports GMO, I for one do not.

Edit - OF course... they say they dont use GMO, but they also say dont worry about it even if they do... I doubt the soil has it, but I hate to support it.

Still worth the money I suppose, I hate paying $18 a bag for FFOF

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    #665947 - 04/13/13 03:49 PM (11 years, 7 days ago)

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Still worth the money I suppose, I hate paying $18 a bag for FFOF




$18??? Damnnnn

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    #665948 - 04/13/13 04:10 PM (11 years, 7 days ago)

13.95 here


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Re: Product Tested [Re: Hawksresurrection]
    #665955 - 04/13/13 05:59 PM (11 years, 7 days ago)

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    #665968 - 04/13/13 09:11 PM (11 years, 7 days ago)

Holy shit....You guys get raped.


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Re: Product Tested [Re: Hawksresurrection]
    #665970 - 04/13/13 09:19 PM (11 years, 7 days ago)

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Holy shit....You guys get raped.




yah and I need 5 bags to for my 12 plants in #7 size pots,so it was not cheap at all.. think next set of plants I need to find either cheaper soil or maybe coco or somthing

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Re: Product Tested [Re: Mrshroom]
    #665971 - 04/13/13 09:23 PM (11 years, 7 days ago)

Yeah, i'd switch over to hydro is soil prices were that high around here.  Especially since I go through 120 gallons of soil each grow.


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Re: Product Tested [Re: Hawksresurrection]
    #665974 - 04/13/13 10:08 PM (11 years, 7 days ago)

I pay 20.00 a bag at my hydro store The last time i was there They toll me that they are tr ing to ban bat guano and everything that has it in it too? So doesent Ocean Forest have bat shit. ?Big bloom was what was the cause or The state I live in thinks that guano is only used for pot . There dumb asses!

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Re: Product Tested [Re: budgrowerwannabe]
    #665978 - 04/13/13 10:14 PM (11 years, 7 days ago)

Wow, that probably wont happen.


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Re: Product Tested [Re: Hawksresurrection]
    #665979 - 04/13/13 10:24 PM (11 years, 7 days ago)

I hope not .I love there product

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Re: Product Tested [Re: budgrowerwannabe]
    #665981 - 04/13/13 10:35 PM (11 years, 7 days ago)

so im just wondering what would be a good inexpensive soil to go with to replace fox farm with?

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Re: Product Tested [Re: Mrshroom] * 1
    #665983 - 04/13/13 10:48 PM (11 years, 7 days ago)

MG :cuteshit:

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    #665994 - 04/13/13 11:29 PM (11 years, 7 days ago)

The answers are in this thread :cookiemonster:


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    #665996 - 04/13/13 11:56 PM (11 years, 6 days ago)

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so im just wondering what would be a good inexpensive soil to go with to replace fox farm with?



I would try Kelloggs if I were you.

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From what I hear some people are saying that this is equivalent to FFOF.


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composted forest products, canadian peat moss, composted chicken manure, rice hulls, horticultural sand, perlite, bat guano, kelp meal & worm castings






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    #666019 - 04/14/13 08:39 AM (11 years, 6 days ago)

i tried to look it up to see if anybody has it around were im at , nothing at home deport or lowes

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Re: Product Tested [Re: Mrshroom]
    #666022 - 04/14/13 10:14 AM (11 years, 6 days ago)

I assume you are in the miswest or east coast.


For some reason I herd some people are having a hard time finding it in those areas.

It is readily available on the west coast as it is produced in Ontario, CA.

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    #666023 - 04/14/13 11:12 AM (11 years, 6 days ago)

yah im out on the east coast

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Re: Product Tested [Re: Mrshroom] * 1
    #667785 - 04/26/13 08:41 PM (10 years, 11 months ago)

I decided to try Patio Plus for Crop #3.

I wanted to confirm that it is around as hot as FFOF, and that feeding
can be added after a similar water-waiting period.

The answer seems to be "yes".

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    #699289 - 12/15/13 09:22 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

bumping for pure awesomeness  :omgawesome:

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    #705787 - 01/09/14 11:03 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Finally broke open my bag of Patio Plus and transplanted one of my ladies that had been in FFOF. I hope this stuff works as good as this thread says, mine looks like its about 90% mulch.


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    #705789 - 01/09/14 11:06 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Its very woody thats for sure.

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Re: Product Tested [Re: Deadkndys420]
    #786410 - 07/23/15 11:20 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I can testify for this product in an outdoor greenhouse situation. It's working very well, I mixed about 25% perlite regular size into it and it drains extremely well. I'm using 6, 20 gallon smart pots. I'm on a 3 day feed cycle. Day 1 - 1/2 strength Fox Farm Grow Big + Epsom Salts + Superthrive. Day 2 - Ph 6.5 Balanced water + Superthrive. Day 3 - Nothing.

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Re: Product Tested [Re: T-Brickle]
    #786427 - 07/24/15 11:29 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Thanks for the info T-Brickle :thumbup:



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Re: Product Tested [Re: Magash]
    #786538 - 07/26/15 01:00 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Just picked up a 12l bag of patio plus today at home depot for $9.  That's about $40 cheaper than I can get FFoF out here.  Transplanted some plants into 5 gal today and the soil seems pretty good.  Excellent aeration and has about the same texture as FFoF but seems to have less sticks in it.  It does smell stronger than FFoF so if that is a problem I wouldn't use it indoors. 

Good find Mag :thumbup:

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