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Ebb and Gro - Buckets 2000w (update 9-8-10 with pics)
    #463685 - 08/19/10 04:50 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

I haven't really seen many growlogs with this type of setup.
After using it so far I gotta say it is soo user friendly, and simple to use.

I figured i'll start a growlog of my progress. I have a bunch of random clones received from a friend.
Snow White / Venus Fly Trap / Wonder Woman / AK-47

Mixing up a whole tank is easy as pie, and draining the tank is easy too. a great setup I only paid $450 for the whole thing and it even came with a whole starter kit of nutrients.







Kept these hanging up in case anything breaks. I can't find the pumps online anywhere. My local hydro store doesn't have any bottom feeder pumps, but has inline, so I could just hook a hose to it if I need to.



I hang up the feeding schedule from IONIC
This is what I am following on this grow.



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I am on like week 3 or 4 and I have turned back the light from 24hrs to 20.

I may keep this for 1 or 2 more weeks before I flower them.


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Re: Ebb and Gro - Buckets [Re: Oatman2000]
    #463891 - 08/19/10 10:11 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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My local hydro store doesn't have any bottom feeder pumps, but has inline, so I could just hook a hose to it if I need to.





Tell them to get their shit together.  A hydro store without submersible pumps?

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Re: Ebb and Gro - Buckets [Re: SmOakland]
    #463900 - 08/19/10 10:22 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

no, no... they are submersible, made by sunleaves, but are not "bottom feeder" (quoted by the hydro store)

But I can take the thing apart and hook an inline hose to it and make it the best bottom feeder ever?
I don't think he ever took em apart.


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Re: Ebb and Gro - Buckets [Re: Oatman2000]
    #463902 - 08/19/10 10:28 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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no, no... they are submersible, made by sunleaves, but are not "bottom feeder" (quoted by the hydro store)

But I can take the thing apart and hook an inline hose to it and make it the best bottom feeder ever?
I don't think he ever took em apart.




Oh cool. I am just confused.  What kind of light are you under?  Your grow looks like you really know what you are doing.

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Re: Ebb and Gro - Buckets [Re: SmOakland]
    #464493 - 08/20/10 09:05 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

for the pic they are under flourescent.
I have a 1000w on them 24x7 = 12 plants

i toned it back for 20hrs for 1 week, then I will go 12hrs except using 2x-1000w


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Re: Ebb and Gro - Buckets [Re: Oatman2000]
    #464555 - 08/20/10 10:02 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Awesome Oatman! I have the exact same setup(except I just purchased a 6 site add-on also today,so I will be doing 18 at a time :thumbup:).
Those babies look nice and healthy to.
You must have plenty of heighth room? Arent you worried they may grow into your lights with such a long veg time? Excuse me for the noob question,but is that pretty much standard to have a month for veg?

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Re: Ebb and Gro - Buckets [Re: Sp33dfreak]
    #465115 - 08/21/10 09:29 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

you are not the only one who is harping at me to bloom now.
My old hand says the same thing. I have plenty of room.

I am building a trellis here soon and will bend down if i need to.

Yes, they are very healthy.
I am following the ionic schedule and these ebb and gro systems and I gotta say how much i love it.

I really gotta say it's very easy to maintain.

I just drilled a vent into the room from my existing central air. It's been super hot here lately. :mad2:

I also have a buddy with a commercial grow. 8000w - 42 sites. (non bucket grow)
HIs shit is 3 weeks ahead of mine


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Re: Ebb and Gro - Buckets [Re: Oatman2000]
    #465260 - 08/22/10 12:43 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Cool setup Oatman.  I love your posts. ~P~


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Re: Ebb and Gro - Buckets [Re: Psuper]
    #465291 - 08/22/10 08:27 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

you all need to watch this (who do ebb and gro buckets)

Tips and Tricks for ebb and gro buckets



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Re: Ebb and Gro - Buckets [Re: Oatman2000]
    #465305 - 08/22/10 09:24 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Good looking grow. Thanks for the info. May want to try this in the future.


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Re: Ebb and Gro - Buckets [Re: Oatman2000]
    #465735 - 08/23/10 05:02 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Thank you for posting that vid. I didnt realize that the roots would be sitting in standing water. Going to Menards today to get the pvc tube to make spacers.

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Re: Ebb and Gro - Buckets [Re: Sp33dfreak]
    #466526 - 08/24/10 11:52 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

I'm glad you learned something from it.
even if using a spacer, the roots will still grow down into it.
Not a big deal

I added an air stone to my res.
and doing so will help with root rot.

Honestly, even sitting in the water like that, it shouldn't be an issue, it's used as a safety mechanism.

I have started to bud them
I have a 1000w on for 11hrs and another 1000w for 11hrs
simulating the sun rising and setting.

they look wonderful!


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Re: Ebb and Gro - Buckets [Re: Oatman2000]
    #467170 - 08/25/10 08:21 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

I had also considered putting an airstone in the res for extra aeration,well,my mind is made up for sure that Im going to now.
Aeration is king!
Im also going to be using this product in my feeding program called Root Excelurator(House and Garden). It claims to add a membrane around the roots protecting from harmful bacteria and fungus,also protects the plants from root disease and will also cure existing cases of root rot.
Im going to be following your log closely :smile:
I bet your going to have a kick ass harvest,those babies are monsters already and now your just starting to flower.....I cant wait to see what they look like about 5 weeks from now!
Keep up the good work Oatman!

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Re: Ebb and Gro - Buckets [Re: Sp33dfreak]
    #467483 - 08/25/10 09:18 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Thanks,
I feel that root rot shouldn't even be a problem when you have (some) aeration occurring with the fall of water not to mention changing the resevoir every 14 days.

I am following the Ionic Feeding schedule to a T with ph adjusting the water after adding the nutrient.

(I am attaching the 2 page PDF to this post)

I have this laminated and hanging in my grow room for guidance.


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Re: Ebb and Gro - Buckets [Re: Oatman2000]
    #470651 - 08/31/10 11:17 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Changed the tank today 25% grow was left, I topped off and filled the rest with Bloom

Ionic Bloom
Thrive Alive Organic (splash)
Silicon Blast (Double Splash)
Ionic Boost  (splash)

ppm is at 1250ish
ph is 6.0 (piss color on the tester)

I will change the tank here soon 7-10 days and this time I will add GreenFuse per the ionic schedule.

I should upload a few more pics soon, and maybe some spoilers of what 4 weeks in looks like from a buddy


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Re: Ebb and Gro - Buckets [Re: Oatman2000]
    #473834 - 09/07/10 09:25 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Okay here's an update for ya.
I am starting week 3 into Flowering.
I changed the tank today.
160L
Ionic Bloom - 5 cups
Ionic Boost - 1 cup
Liquid Silca - 1 cup
Green Fuse - 1 cup

I Added a trellis that suspends from the ceiling.
Here's updated Pics




Height of the shortest plant



I added a duct from my house central air. It feels nice in there
2000w during 12hr Bloom  :eek:



Buds so far. These are all going to be filled in when this is done


Up close Macro


Enjoy!
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Re: Ebb and Gro - Buckets [Re: Oatman2000]
    #490106 - 10/21/10 03:57 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

Sorry I haven't updated this. I am about to harvest and will make sure to take a final pic.

Still gotta say this method was pretty cut and dry. I actually WANTED to do more work.

I would find myself just standing in the room in a daze with nothing to do.

Perfect for noobs like me and even the experienced cultivator.

(i was told by an old hand that rock-wool cubes and even the clay hydroton absorb the nutrient and the salts build up throughout the grow)

Having said that keeping the ppm around 700 during the whole grow was recommended (rather than the 1200 from ionic inc.)
I will do this on my next grow.


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Re: Ebb and Gro - Buckets [Re: Oatman2000]
    #490115 - 10/21/10 04:38 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

Thats awesome, I'm planning on using the same style multi flow buckets for the next grow. Can't wait to see what your harvest pics look like.


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Re: Ebb and Gro - Buckets [Re: DieselB]
    #490744 - 10/23/10 11:09 AM (13 years, 5 months ago)

still waiting for some amber trichomes....


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Re: Ebb and Gro - Buckets [Re: Oatman2000]
    #493984 - 11/01/10 01:11 AM (13 years, 4 months ago)

waiting sucks.. sometimes I never get ambers and its plenty ripe... guess its strain dependent..



How many watts is your air pump Oatman??



Have been trying to revive your TC's... (attempted your logo some mario mushrooms)

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Re: Ebb and Gro - Buckets [Re: grogan]
    #493987 - 11/01/10 05:35 AM (13 years, 4 months ago)

SORRY guys...  :frown:

I harvested w/o taking a final picture.
I haven't calculated the dry weight yet, but will...

I am not very pleased with how it's looking compared to what was received from a FOAF.

I was expecting a very large rootball in the bottom when it was pretty minimal.

I guess all in time. Right?

I will be testing again making a few changes in the way I did things.


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Re: Ebb and Gro - Buckets [Re: Oatman2000]
    #494072 - 11/01/10 02:05 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

I know why you didn't have big root balls.. (perhaps depending on your answer)

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Re: Ebb and Gro - Buckets [Re: grogan]
    #496554 - 11/09/10 05:36 AM (13 years, 4 months ago)

what do you think? I will take any advice...


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Re: Ebb and Gro - Buckets [Re: Oatman2000]
    #496626 - 11/09/10 01:37 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

I asked the guy at my local hydro store, and he believs it was because I was using 2 different mediums...

A 4x4 rockwool cube going into hydroton.

I think this time I am not going to use the hydroton, and just put rockwool in the buckets.

..................................
I am using the same nutrients on a seperate grow with just 2 4x4 cubes and 1 slab. This is working amazingly great!

this was done on a drip head table, and I would like this same success with the buckets for ease of water control.


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Re: Ebb and Gro - Buckets [Re: Oatman2000]
    #496704 - 11/09/10 06:20 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

I plan on putting my rockwool into hydroton then using an ebb and flow method. What problems did you experience doing this?

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Re: Ebb and Gro - Buckets [Re: jkell]
    #496890 - 11/10/10 04:23 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

well, the plants just didn't look as good as another site's did.
I can not use this for a control because it was not doing buckets, and it had 4000w per table.

I am only running 2000w.

I did dump out a couple more and the root balls were pretty alright.

but only getting 9oz dry out of 12 plants does not seem acceptable.
what are your thoughts?


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Re: Ebb and Gro - Buckets [Re: Oatman2000]
    #496954 - 11/10/10 08:34 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

Hmm yeah that does seem light, it looks like you did everything to a T so Idk why you didn't pull more, maybe just chalk this one up to a bad strain or bad genetics?

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Re: Ebb and Gro - Buckets [Re: jkell]
    #496996 - 11/10/10 09:47 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

yeah dude, I don't mean to be a bummer, but a grow that size should produce way more than that.  Did you let them finish flowering.  They put a lot of weight on in the end.

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Re: Ebb and Gro - Buckets [Re: muse42]
    #497029 - 11/11/10 06:34 AM (13 years, 4 months ago)

no bummer... try try again!

It's no big deal to me, I get all the smoke I could ask for. This is just a bonus, but I am new to the game... So I will work all the kinks out

I am going to try and raise the rockwool cubes up a bit this time, which will allow for more root development in the bottom.

I'll make sure to do the grow log, and finish it this time!! :strokebeard2:


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Re: Ebb and Gro - Buckets [Re: Oatman2000]
    #497032 - 11/11/10 07:11 AM (13 years, 4 months ago)

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no bummer... try try again!

It's no big deal to me, I get all the smoke I could ask for. This is just a bonus, but I am new to the game... So I will work all the kinks out

I am going to try and raise the rockwool cubes up a bit this time, which will allow for more root development in the bottom.

I'll make sure to do the grow log, and finish it this time!! :strokebeard2:




You posted that video earlier in the thread about sticking pvc under the rockwool to raise the plant and get more root development underneath., did you end up not trying that the first time?

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Re: Ebb and Gro - Buckets [Re: jkell]
    #497053 - 11/11/10 08:17 AM (13 years, 4 months ago)

No I did not, and thanks for bringing that up. I will try that... (i had already forgotten about it)

I'd maybe also like to try out those white things.


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Re: Ebb and Gro - Buckets [Re: Oatman2000]
    #497639 - 11/13/10 10:30 AM (13 years, 4 months ago)

great pics  :bow2:

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Re: Ebb and Gro - Buckets [Re: doublehelix]
    #497767 - 11/13/10 03:26 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

there should have been more... sorry:foreheadslap:


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Re: Ebb and Gro - Buckets [Re: Oatman2000]
    #497849 - 11/13/10 09:52 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

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No I did not, and thanks for bringing that up. I will try that... (i had already forgotten about it)

I'd maybe also like to try out those white things.




White things?

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Re: Ebb and Gro - Buckets [Re: grogan]
    #498133 - 11/15/10 12:31 AM (13 years, 4 months ago)

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I know why you didn't have big root balls.. (perhaps depending on your answer)





How many watts is/ are your air pump/pumps?

Also what size and type of air stone?

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Re: Ebb and Gro - Buckets [Re: jkell]
    #498142 - 11/15/10 05:31 AM (13 years, 4 months ago)

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Quote:

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No I did not, and thanks for bringing that up. I will try that... (i had already forgotten about it)

I'd maybe also like to try out those white things.




White things?





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Re: Ebb and Gro - Buckets [Re: grogan]
    #498143 - 11/15/10 05:33 AM (13 years, 4 months ago)

it's a double outlet pump...
2x 4" air stones.

I do not believe aeration is not an issue.
(plus the water falling back into the res)


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Re: Ebb and Gro - Buckets [Re: Oatman2000]
    #498146 - 11/15/10 05:50 AM (13 years, 4 months ago)

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Oatman2000 said:
it's a double outlet pump...
2x 4" air stones.

I do not believe aeration is not an issue.
(plus the water falling back into the res)



So you think aeration is an issue? Kinda a double neg just wanna get it straight

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Re: Ebb and Gro - Buckets [Re: jkell]
    #498181 - 11/15/10 08:15 AM (13 years, 4 months ago)

Harvest pics please...


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Re: Ebb and Gro - Buckets [Re: Oatman2000]
    #498195 - 11/15/10 09:11 AM (13 years, 4 months ago)

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SORRY guys...  :frown:

I harvested w/o taking a final picture.
I haven't calculated the dry weight yet, but will...

I am not very pleased with how it's looking compared to what was received from a FOAF.

I was expecting a very large rootball in the bottom when it was pretty minimal.

I guess all in time. Right?

I will be testing again making a few changes in the way I did things.




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Re: Ebb and Gro - Buckets [Re: jkell]
    #498443 - 11/16/10 03:00 AM (13 years, 4 months ago)

I have a four output 8w gh pump for one or two 5 gal Aeration may be an issue.

for that many buckets you need at least what I have if not two!

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Re: Ebb and Gro - Buckets [Re: jkell]
    #499011 - 11/18/10 06:32 AM (13 years, 4 months ago)

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Quote:

Oatman2000 said:
it's a double outlet pump...
2x 4" air stones.

I do not believe aeration is not an issue.
(plus the water falling back into the res)



So you think aeration is an issue? Kinda a double neg just wanna get it straight





Sorry, you are correct (double negative)

I DO NOT THINK AERATION IS THE ISSUE.

-I am not doing DWC, therefore the water is in constant circulation.


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Re: Ebb and Gro - Buckets [Re: Oatman2000]
    #499215 - 11/18/10 04:31 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

Did you have any airstones in the rez?

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Re: Ebb and Gro - Buckets [Re: Oatman2000]
    #499427 - 11/19/10 01:21 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

Have you noticed differences with different strains as far as root ball size goes?


You can never have enough aeration, although it may not be the issue.



Could be your flood timing, this shouldn't be a constant number from what I have researched. (larger plants need more flooding, different mediums need different flood times, coir holds alot of H2O, hydroton not as much, rockwool a shit ton.)

I will try to find more info on it im curious now.. haha

Edited by grogan (11/19/10 01:25 PM)

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Re: Ebb and Gro - Buckets [Re: grogan]
    #500023 - 11/21/10 11:48 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

yeah, there were 2 airstones in the res.

As for strain. no so much, but the bigger plants definately made a bigger root ball.


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