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Re: planning on getting a med card. anyone got tips? [Re: Steve Buscemi]
    #440209 - 06/30/10 10:25 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

i know about how feds dont respect state laws but how can the state do this? can you show an example of the state fucking over an rec?


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Re: planning on getting a med card. anyone got tips? [Re: Steve Buscemi]
    #440226 - 06/30/10 10:55 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

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Steve Buscemi said:
As much as I want to agree that you shouldn't trust the MMIC or any government official regarding medical marijuana........ I cant because of the thousands of growers in prison who can tell you how sometimes a recommendation doesn't hold up in a California court, but the MMIC will.
Federally everyone is breaking the law when growing any amount of marijuana so
:randy:





except the MMIC is based on your rec.  so i would be very surprised if what you say is correct and a legitimate MMIC is somehow of more use than a legitimate rec.

and you do realize that the legal standard is doctor's recommendation.  that is what it comes down to plain and simple.  the MMIC is a shoddy idea and one that is not necessary or prudent.  and if there are thousands of growers in jail who had a rec but not MMIC, PLEASE show me this.  and tell me why CANORML hasnt made a huge fuss about it?  i think you're spouting shit off and you don't actually know.  but hey i could be wrong i guess

Edited by yellownotepad (06/30/10 10:57 PM)

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Re: planning on getting a med card. anyone got tips? [Re: yellownotepad]
    #440235 - 06/30/10 11:01 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

i dont know who to believe right now im  kinda confused


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Re: planning on getting a med card. anyone got tips? [Re: Mushr00m_Man]
    #440254 - 06/30/10 11:22 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

They do it every day. They still shut down dispensaries and arrest the staff, police not not DEA.
1 example
2nd example
And these people not only possessed a MMIC they had permits to operate a dispensary which doesn't come easy or cheap to do legally.
Google the topic: Dispensary shut down for many other examples, these people were arrested for being in the wrong place at the wrong time...... that or they aren't paying off the right crooked bastards to work in that town without problems. Dispensaries get shut down for hundreds of reasons. patients also still get arrested for growing, all it takes is one concerned call from a neighbor about a smell and the door can get kicked in and if the grow house is in the system as a MMIC holder your house MIGHT not get raided. It's different in every other town, in mendo you can grow 10 trees in the yard, but in LA they are shutting down dispensaries left and right.
Hell if a cop is crooked enough he could walk into a dispensary then handcuff everyone and walk out with the entire stash without arresting anybody. it's called a shake down and it happens anywhere drugs and money flow. It's all about the money, you learn that from the red eyed smirking hipster behind the counter the first time you go into a dispensary.

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Re: planning on getting a med card. anyone got tips? [Re: Steve Buscemi]
    #440262 - 06/30/10 11:31 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

but im not talking about dispenseriesim talking private citizens. can normal cops arrest people with rec cards?


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Re: planning on getting a med card. anyone got tips? [Re: Mushr00m_Man]
    #440264 - 06/30/10 11:33 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Yes dude YESSSSSSSS. The rec does nothing but get you into the dispensary. COPS CAN ARREST ANYONE AT ANYTIME FOR ANYTHING!!!!

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Re: planning on getting a med card. anyone got tips? [Re: Steve Buscemi]
    #440280 - 07/01/10 12:18 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

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Steve Buscemi said:
Yes dude YESSSSSSSS. The rec does nothing but get you into the dispensary. COPS CAN ARREST ANYONE AT ANYTIME FOR ANYTHING!!!!





yeah dude and i'm telling you that you're dead fucking wrong.  you see my avatar? you know what kind of notepad looks like that? does that give you an idea that i might have some knowledge here?

yes dispensaries get raided.  yes cops hassle mmj patients. my point is that MMIC card is not worth jack shit.  doctor's recommendation is the one and only thing that matters.  the way you get an MMIC card is WITH YOUR DOCTOR'S REC.

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Re: planning on getting a med card. anyone got tips? [Re: Steve Buscemi]
    #440282 - 07/01/10 12:23 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

Steve Buscemi said:
They do it every day. They still shut down dispensaries and arrest the staff, police not not DEA.
1 example
2nd example
And these people not only possessed a MMIC they had permits to operate a dispensary which doesn't come easy or cheap to do legally.
Google the topic: Dispensary shut down for many other examples, these people were arrested for being in the wrong place at the wrong time...... that or they aren't paying off the right crooked bastards to work in that town without problems. Dispensaries get shut down for hundreds of reasons. patients also still get arrested for growing, all it takes is one concerned call from a neighbor about a smell and the door can get kicked in and if the grow house is in the system as a MMIC holder your house MIGHT not get raided. It's different in every other town, in mendo you can grow 10 trees in the yard, but in LA they are shutting down dispensaries left and right.
Hell if a cop is crooked enough he could walk into a dispensary then handcuff everyone and walk out with the entire stash without arresting anybody. it's called a shake down and it happens anywhere drugs and money flow. It's all about the money, you learn that from the red eyed smirking hipster behind the counter the first time you go into a dispensary.





:facepalm:  you just don't get it dude.  nothing you just posted has anything to do with the discussion at hand.  you keep trying to say that the average patient needs a MMIC and you're just wrong.  there's nothing more to it.  it is 100% unnecessary even according to the department of health and safety themselves.

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Re: planning on getting a med card. anyone got tips? [Re: Mushr00m_Man]
    #440284 - 07/01/10 12:25 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

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Mushr00m_Man said:
but im not talking about dispenseriesim talking private citizens. can normal cops arrest people with rec cards?





what it will really fall down to is the cops will do whatever they please, the rec will hopefully make them leave you alone but if they don't then you will have to deal with it in court where the rec should get it dismissed if you are within their guidelines.  if you are outside those guidelines you may still be ok but it wont be as easy.  ultimately the best thing to do is still be cautious and you're likely to avoid unnecessary hassle.  99% chance if you follow everyone's best advice on grow security and don't be sketchballin around, you can probably avoid even having to show a cop your rec.

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Re: planning on getting a med card. anyone got tips? [Re: yellownotepad]
    #440285 - 07/01/10 12:28 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

not to sound dumb but i kinda want to. it would be cool to show a cop a card and he hands you back your weed and you walk away, isnt that every stoners dream?


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Re: planning on getting a med card. anyone got tips? [Re: Mushr00m_Man]
    #440286 - 07/01/10 12:35 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

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Mushr00m_Man said:
not to sound dumb but i kinda want to. it would be cool to show a cop a card and he hands you back your weed and you walk away, isnt that every stoners dream?





i've had a cop give me back my stuff after searching my car and finding it, and not finding my rec.  he gave me the "benefit of the doubt" without even seeing the rec :shrug:

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Re: planning on getting a med card. anyone got tips? [Re: yellownotepad]
    #440306 - 07/01/10 01:39 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

yellownotepad said:
Quote:

Steve Buscemi said:
They do it every day. They still shut down dispensaries and arrest the staff, police not not DEA.
1 example
2nd example
And these people not only possessed a MMIC they had permits to operate a dispensary which doesn't come easy or cheap to do legally.
Google the topic: Dispensary shut down for many other examples, these people were arrested for being in the wrong place at the wrong time...... that or they aren't paying off the right crooked bastards to work in that town without problems. Dispensaries get shut down for hundreds of reasons. patients also still get arrested for growing, all it takes is one concerned call from a neighbor about a smell and the door can get kicked in and if the grow house is in the system as a MMIC holder your house MIGHT not get raided. It's different in every other town, in mendo you can grow 10 trees in the yard, but in LA they are shutting down dispensaries left and right.
Hell if a cop is crooked enough he could walk into a dispensary then handcuff everyone and walk out with the entire stash without arresting anybody. it's called a shake down and it happens anywhere drugs and money flow. It's all about the money, you learn that from the red eyed smirking hipster behind the counter the first time you go into a dispensary.





:facepalm:  you just don't get it dude.  nothing you just posted has anything to do with the discussion at hand.  you keep trying to say that the average patient needs a MMIC and you're just wrong.  there's nothing more to it.  it is 100% unnecessary even according to the department of health and safety themselves.




Hey dingus learn to read. I'm saying the rec isn't worth wiping your ass with in court and the mmic wont help either if the cop sees fit.
Everything I stated is valid and correct by state law and had you taken the time to actually read what I wrote you'd have seen I posted the actual state law, you might disagree but it's still the law. So take your college ruled note pad and shove it up your ass sideways, you're clearly misinformed.
So I'll now reiterate:
rec = get out of jail free card
mmic = don't even go to jail card
At no time did I say everyone needs a mmic, I posted just the opposite clearly stating that it is just as worthless if the state of federal government wants the charges to stick.

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Re: planning on getting a med card. anyone got tips? [Re: Steve Buscemi]
    #440310 - 07/01/10 01:48 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

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Steve Buscemi said:

Hey dingus learn to read. I'm saying the rec isn't worth wiping your ass with in court and the mmic wont help either if the cop sees fit.
Everything I stated is valid and correct by state law and had you taken the time to actually read what I wrote you'd have seen I posted the actual state law, you might disagree but it's still the law. So take your college ruled note pad and shove it up your ass sideways, you're clearly misinformed.
So I'll now reiterate:
rec = get out of jail free card
mmic = don't even go to jail card
At no time did I say everyone needs a mmic, I posted just the opposite clearly stating that it is just as worthless if the state of federal government wants the charges to stick.




without resorting to name calling, here's some of the law (SB420):

Quote:

(f) It shall not be necessary for a person to obtain an identification card in order to claim the protections of Section 11362.5.




if you get caught by a federal agent, or handed over to the feds, you are indeed fucked regardless of what you have.  but you need to realize that MMIC is just a secondary ID showing you have a rec.  and SB420 clearly states that officers can do whatever they want if they think the MMIC is possibly fake (aka they can say shit if they want to take you in).  there's no need to keep arguing, the important thing is to explain things properly to the newbie.

if you get a MMIC, it could bite you in the ass later in life because it is now on government paperwork. 

if you don't get a MMIC, you need to keep an original rec with you to avoid hassle.

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Re: planning on getting a med card. anyone got tips? [Re: yellownotepad]
    #440315 - 07/01/10 02:10 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

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yellownotepad said:
the important thing is to explain things properly to the newbie.

if you get a MMIC, it could bite you in the ass later in life because it is now on government paperwork. 

if you don't get a MMIC, you need to keep an original rec with you to avoid hassle.





You have it backwards but have somehow still  managed to agree with everything I said then re-post it while still trying to claim I'm wrong. OF COURSE the mmic could bite you on the ass, anything involving mmj can land you in jail.
Here's how you actually do it:
CA ID with fake address
Use out of town mmj doc
Never give grow address on any mmj forms
Never use credit card at co-op
Never answer the door for the law make them kick it in, if they are knocking they don't have a warrant.
Always pay cash for everything in life.

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