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 Herbal
Registered: 04/06/10
Posts: 36
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 Re: First plants (2) : Good Bagseed, Germinated 3-15-10 under 104 CFL watts, 4  [Re: Herbal]
#409083 - 04/29/10 09:49 PM (13 years, 11 months ago) |
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I first used a shoe lace, then bought some actual plant tie downs from home-depot. I was really careful not to pin or tie down actual plant growth, and to move all the growing shoots towards the top, hopefully this is the correct thing to do.
  
I also spotted what I imagine is a pre-flower, hopefully not a male but they are so small it's really hard to tell right now.
Also if you notice on this picture, this is the plant I trimmed, I left the top half of that node, should I clip it off as well? All I removed from it were a fan leaf on each side that were starting to wilt.
Anyway tell me what you think about the LST and if it's done correctly and if you think that's a pre-flower.
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Harry_Ba11sach
cannoisseur
Registered: 04/20/08
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Loc: Nepal 
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Re: First plants (2) : Good Bagseed, Germinated 3-15-10 under 104 CFL watts, 4 [Re: Herbal]
#411405 - 05/04/10 12:12 AM (13 years, 11 months ago) |
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Hell yeah! I'm loving all these shroomery people trying their hand at Cannabis! That's exactly the background I come from so it's great to see other people exploring 
Looks to me like you might be overwatering just slightly but they're looking great
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Herbal
Registered: 04/06/10
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Re: First plants (2) : Good Bagseed, Germinated 3-15-10 under 104 CFL watts, 4 [Re: Harry_Ba11sach]
#411421 - 05/04/10 01:23 AM (13 years, 11 months ago) |
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Short and sweet, One male, One Female... I will post a full update tomorrow.
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Herbal
Registered: 04/06/10
Posts: 36
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Re: First plants (2) : Good Bagseed, Germinated 3-15-10 under 104 CFL watts, 4 [Re: Herbal]
#412173 - 05/04/10 10:23 PM (13 years, 11 months ago) |
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Okay big update, and I'm HIGH AS FUCK. So I had one plant really taking well to some LST, started going every which way I intended it to with no problems. Things started showing up what I thought to be preflowers, but really couldn't be for sure, shit this still is my first attempt at cannabis. From what I could tell, they started looking more male by the day. This kept me so distracted from the other plant that I would continue to check on the healthier plant, the plant that was doing so well at training but was scaring me of a male more by the day.
 
Finally when I checked my other plant closely behind inside vegetation I noticed the longer looking pods with 1/2" hairs coming out, some with two. So frantically knowing I had a female, and still 80% sure I had a male, I couldn't risk it, I killed the plant.
 
  
So like I said earlier, my male was the healthier plant. This plant has some problems going on that I kind of am stumped on what to do. First things first, It's short, really short. The new node shoots stick close to the stem and the fan leafs are fucking HUGE, almost a dinner plate. Second some leafs have burn hole looking spots almost an acid, rotting look to them, and the leafs are almost wavy like if you stretched out a shirt, it wouldn't look symmetrical. Any help at this point is GREATLY appreciated. I try to read as much as I can a day and I am always on here, but it's hard absorbing it all in 
   
  
Edited by Herbal (05/04/10 10:30 PM)
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Squints
Registered: 05/04/10
Posts: 18
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 Re: First plants (2) : Good Bagseed, Germinated 3-15-10 under 104 CFL watts, 4 [Re: Herbal]
#412248 - 05/05/10 12:09 AM (13 years, 11 months ago) |
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Looks pretty good, but a few things:
When growing with MGMC soil you will hardly ever have to water, and almost certainly won't have to add fertilizer, making veg cycle pretty effortless. HOWEVER, the downside is toxic nitrogen levels during flower, coupled with pH problems. Your plants are starting to show the first signs of nutrient burn. The stunted vertical growth is probably due to low pH since MG is peat based.
I'm not sure if I'm qualified to hand out advice, but I think your girl is begging for you to let up on N so she can suck up some P at a higher pH. With that said, there are many avenues you can take.. the obvious ones being ride it out or flush. Now if it was up to me, I'd just carefully throw her (dirty rootball and all) in a bucket with 100% chunky perlite, and water with some guano, etc. Sounds odd, but I've done it with great success.
Other than that, it is good practice to cut right down to the stalk when you trim, for example, lower fan leaves. Leaving dead stuff on or around a plant attracts pests, plus slows recovery. Also, when I LST, I literally just hang big glass beads from branches I want to weigh down for new shoots. A fan makes the dangling beads sway, giving the branch a good workout.
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Hambino: Did you plan that!?
Squints: 'Course I did.. been plannin' it for years.
Edited by Squints (05/05/10 10:32 AM)
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 GANJA_FAHMA
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Registered: 03/17/10
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Loc: Pacific Ocean
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Re: First plants (2) : Good Bagseed, Germinated 3-15-10 under 104 CFL watts, 4 [Re: Squints]
#412874 - 05/06/10 01:55 AM (13 years, 11 months ago) |
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Quote:
Herbal said:
Finally when I checked my other plant closely behind inside vegetation I noticed the longer looking pods with 1/2" hairs coming out, some with two. So frantically knowing I had a female, and still 80% sure I had a male, I couldn't risk it, I killed the plant.
Honestly bro I would have waited a little longer before discarding that one. By looking at the first 2 pics i was giving it a 50/50 chance Next time maybe wait till they look something like this:
My oldest female I am currently vegging had 2 pistillate pre-flowers before having actual pistils emerge from the pre-flowers a few nodes down the road. A couple of them looked very similar to this photo you took here:
https://files.growery.org/files/g10-18/303142198-IMG_3824.jpg]
IDK. I'd hate to say it but I think you jumped the gun on that one. But I'd see what the rest of the team says before you get too bummed out about it.
On the more positive side of things, Im lovin your introduction of SIDE lighting. You will notice a difference soon if you haven't already. To utilize that CFL thats dangling, why not throw a y-splitter there as well like you did with the head fixture? And to get even better penetration make a couple cheap reflectors that you can literally just duct tape them on like the one I made here:
LoL! I thought I already had an example pic to show you but apparently I didn't so I just pulled a Martha Stewart and slapped one together to show you what im talking about. lol =D Anyway, you get the picture.. it's simple and effective.
Good Luck my friend!
Everythings looking good so far!
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Also, when I LST, I literally just hang big glass beads from branches I want to weigh down for new shoots. A fan makes the dangling beads sway, giving the branch a good workout.
Hey squints thats actually pretty hilarious you say that cause I was just going to try out string and lead fishing weights, you know, the clam style ones that you can just clamp on and off. How do you prefer this method compared to the tie down approach?
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Herbal
Registered: 04/06/10
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Re: First plants (2) : Good Bagseed, Germinated 3-15-10 under 104 CFL watts, 4 [Re: GANJA_FAHMA]
#413333 - 05/06/10 11:57 PM (13 years, 11 months ago) |
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Shit just got real 
Today i found a 250w HPS\MH (according to the guy)HydroFarm light with built in ballast and came with 2 bulbs all for $70. I figured I couldn't beat $70 for a single kind of light setup anyway. Shit I paid more for my CFL's, and I still needed to buy the right spectrum to switch now that I'm approaching flowering.
My question to you guys is, do any of you know exactly what model this is? And if not, what would happen if you swapped bulbs on something that doesn't match? The guy said they work together but I just want to make sure, these bulbs look dangerous as fuck and I'm pretty sure I wouldn't like my house in ash form. I looked around and it doesn't have a model number, or name. Online the lights I found from HydroFarm don't have much detail to what models they are or what they can do. Any help finding out what it is or what hazards fucking up might cause will be greatly appreciated.
 
 
This is the box from the HPS bulb, not sure if you can say if would work but I don't really understand these bulbs and ballasts yet.
  
Thanks squints for stopping by, the beads thing is cool, i like that idea, I wouldn't have thought of that for a while. And thanks for the tip on flushing, I was reading the cannabis grow bible from jorge and read something about lack of K I think it was would cause a lot of the spotting I am having. So I'm planning a big flush on friday and switching nutes/250w hps light/12-12 to see what starts to happen.
Thanks for all the great tips also Ghanja, that reflector with the windshield mylar is a great idea, I think I will use it if I still need sidelight after the 250w HPS. I'm not sure I will thought, what do you think?
Edited by Herbal (05/07/10 01:06 AM)
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Squints
Registered: 05/04/10
Posts: 18
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Re: First plants (2) : Good Bagseed, Germinated 3-15-10 under 104 CFL watts, 4 [Re: GANJA_FAHMA]
#413340 - 05/07/10 12:17 AM (13 years, 11 months ago) |
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How do you prefer this method compared to the tie down approach?
I like it better in most cases because there is no fussing with tying, buttoning, fastening, etc, plus the extra range of motion makes trimming/inspecting easier. I've used 50, and 100 gram weights as well. However, when a plant gets big enough its best to stick to ties and stakes, because I've had branches snap from too much weight, and wind especially outdoors.
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Hambino: Did you plan that!?
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Herbal
Registered: 04/06/10
Posts: 36
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Re: First plants (2) : Good Bagseed, Germinated 3-15-10 under 104 CFL watts, 4 [Re: Squints]
#413343 - 05/07/10 12:23 AM (13 years, 11 months ago) |
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The light doesn't tell the story, It's the bulb that does.
http://www.eyelighting.com/tb/HPS/HPSSUA/EQS-N-52-78-62443.pdf
The bulb is smart enough to convert, that's fucking amazing. Guess I'm good to go
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GANJA_FAHMA
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Registered: 03/17/10
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Re: First plants (2) : Good Bagseed, Germinated 3-15-10 under 104 CFL watts, 4 [Re: Herbal]
#413364 - 05/07/10 02:23 AM (13 years, 11 months ago) |
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With the area you are working in I think the 250w hps will be enough light for sure and you probably wont need the cfl's on the side unless your grow area is not light tight, if its not then you may want to use them to substitute any light that will be lost. And nothing should burn down as long as that ballast is rated for the bulb its operating. Nice find my friend!
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13eetleJuice
The ghost with the most
Registered: 04/20/08
Posts: 368
Loc: 6' under fertalizing bud
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Re: First plants (2) : Good Bagseed, Germinated 3-15-10 under 104 CFL watts, 4 [Re: Herbal]
#413385 - 05/07/10 08:23 AM (13 years, 11 months ago) |
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WOW! Nice find! 250w fixture w/ HPS & MH bulbs included for $70!?!?!?!? Ahhhhh!!!!!   
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creep 1nc
Stranger
Registered: 03/18/10
Posts: 70
Last seen: 13 years, 3 months
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Re: First plants (2) : Good Bagseed, Germinated 3-15-10 under 104 CFL watts, 4 [Re: 13eetleJuice]
#413937 - 05/08/10 01:20 PM (13 years, 11 months ago) |
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Indeed, our grows are looking the same more and more as time goes by, just sucks because I am still waiting to flower. good luck
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Herbal
Registered: 04/06/10
Posts: 36
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Re: First plants (2) : Good Bagseed, Germinated 3-15-10 under 104 CFL watts, 4 [Re: creep 1nc]
#413985 - 05/08/10 02:35 PM (13 years, 11 months ago) |
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That's what i was thinking too Ghanja with this light, actually I was almost thinking it was overkill and wish I had 4 plants in the same area. Everything has been good with the light so far, it's blinding bright, I actually think I fucked up my eyes for a while, lol. I still need to dump some flat white paint on the walls in the room I am growing since its bare brick, and some mylar probably wouldn't hurt either.
I know Beetle! That's what I thought when I seen the ad, in the ad it only said MH and I still thought it was worth it. When I showed up the guy said he bought a HPS bulb also for $85 that will work on it as well and felt like it was a steal. So far I'm really happy with the light output (25,000 Initial 22,500 Mean).
I have a question for you guys, I have introduced the plant into 12/12, and the 2100k temp spectrum, I am also in the middle of flushing, so far I have put through 3 gallons of water in 12 hours and only plan to do one more gallon.
So the question is... What nutes do I switch to? I know the NPK needs to switch to higher P-K and less N but what about second string nutes? I have found a local grocery store that carries foxfarm (I know right?), I don't think they have the full line but they do have happy frog soil, almost all peace of mind products, Grow Big liquid, Tiger Bloom liquid, and also Big Bloom liquid. Which ones should I pick up? They also have Peace of mind Bat Guano in a box, not sure if it's any good that's why I'm asking. Nutrients are the only thing that really scares the shit out of me, and are somewhat confusing at this point.
I am in somewhat of a hurry I guess since my plant will hopefully be swept of all the salts and nutes in her soil now, and will be ready for some new right away. Any help as always is greatly welcome.
Edited by Herbal (05/09/10 04:56 AM)
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Herbal
Registered: 04/06/10
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Re: First plants (2) : Good Bagseed, Germinated 3-15-10 under 104 CFL watts, 4 [Re: Herbal]
#414527 - 05/09/10 12:30 PM (13 years, 11 months ago) |
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I have been reading a lot of forums and a lot of grows lately all over the net, After THC got busted it got me a little worried but then I talked myself into believing that his situation wouldn't happen to be since I don't go to raves etc. Then I read another story where a guy got busted from cops just watching his house.
Shit is making me really paranoid. I have a guaranteed healthy female, and a sweet new light setup that I feel will help me get some guaranteed smoke out of, just don't want to get handed by the man.
What kind of punishment could you be looking at if you were busted with just one plant? Is it a slap on the wrist or are we talking felonies and prison time for one plant? Pretty crazy that you can go to prison for years with thousands of dollars in fines for a plant that makes you relaxed and laugh. I have seen families with drunks that beat their kids and spend money on beer instead of diapers and everyone just looks the other way, What kind of country do we live in...
Right now it's a flip of a coin if i keep this plant going... It would be a waste of time, money, and excitement but a bigger waste if i lost my career, house, freedom, asshole virginity etc.
Edited by Herbal (05/09/10 02:01 PM)
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creep 1nc
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Re: First plants (2) : Good Bagseed, Germinated 3-15-10 under 104 CFL watts, 4 [Re: Herbal]
#415263 - 05/10/10 03:10 PM (13 years, 11 months ago) |
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fuck it! keep it going and don't tell a soul (well besides us folks on the other end of cyberspace) if and it is a big fucking IF, they wanted to find somebody online it would definitely not be you (no offense) Don't be paranoid, when I started growing shroomies I was that way for a while, was even nervous going to starbucks to get grinds. A casual attitude is the best camouflage to have. throw some veggie seeds in some pots or garden..........the absolute best way to not feel scared/paranoid/nervous. once I learned how to cultivate edible mushrooms proficiently not a single soul suspected any wrong doing (although in my heart there is none). know more about veggies/edibles than others and they will get intimidated and shut the fuck up.
*sorry for off topic post
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