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 ibusturcherry
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 BEGINNER GROW! *DELETED* 
#402229 - 04/15/10 08:44 PM (14 years, 4 days ago) |
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ibusturcherry
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also, is the container a good size for it at its current size? was thinking of switching to a bigger container but i really would like to wait on that due to space... heres a better view of it in its entirety:
also, i know it might be too soon but can anyone tell by lookin at it what its gender is?
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DudeTron
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The leaf damage is probably from overfertilization.. Though plants 2-4 weeks old will generally need some nutrients, for the size of yours it shouldn't probably need much if any yet...
A good soil can free you from worrying about nutrients for weeks at a time.. if you're looking for simple, I'd suggest re-potting into some rich soil and calling it good for a couple weeks...
Personally I'm of the opinion that veg does not start until the cotyledons have left the shell husk.. or so. Some people start counting from the time the seed goes into the dirt...
Also, how close do you keep your light to that plant? I'd recommend within 2". And honestly, many will probably disagree, but 23w should be fine for a plant that size... More is always better though and a 42w or stronger bulb can be had all around town for cheap. Also, if you keep your bulb close to your plant (like you should) I'd just leave it under there. A window, especially the wrong one, can be quite sub-par in the lighting department..
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 Re: BEGINNER GROW! [Re: DudeTron]
#402389 - 04/16/10 05:04 AM (14 years, 4 days ago) |
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Your not gonna be able to tell the sex for a long while from now man, way to early for that  i would however be starting to feed her with some 1/4 strength chemical nutrients solution, something around 15-5-5 NPK level would be great for her/him. Good luck
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ibusturcherry
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Re: BEGINNER GROW! [Re: DudeTron]
#402698 - 04/16/10 11:56 AM (14 years, 4 days ago) |
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DudeTron said:
The leaf damage is probably from overfertilization.. Though plants 2-4 weeks old will generally need some nutrients, for the size of yours it shouldn't probably need much if any yet...
Also, how close do you keep your light to that plant? I'd recommend within 2". And honestly, many will probably disagree, but 23w should be fine for a plant that size... More is always better though and a 42w or stronger bulb can be had all around town for cheap. Also, if you keep your bulb close to your plant (like you should) I'd just leave it under there. A window, especially the wrong one, can be quite sub-par in the lighting department..
dudetron, i dont think the leaf damage is from overfertilization because i wasnt feeding it any nutrients till just couple days ago and the damage showed about 2-3 weeks ago. i believed it was maybe due to pH or another matter with the type of water i was using. but the problem had ceased once i changed the water.
and i am thinking of getting perhaps even a 50-75W bulb now. how effective could i use this bulb for? as in, how long can i use it for the duration of the plants life? remember i dont have much to spend so no suggestions of HIDs or any other complex lighting systems.
quick newb question on lighting...im interested in actually acquiring cfl bulbs since im under the impression theyll work better than fluorescents? perhaps somewhere from 25-50W cfl. how can u relate, lets say for example: a 50W fluoro to a 50W cfl. whats the difference?
....and what exactly is a cfl bulb anyway? LOL yea im not caught of wih the acronyms just yet!
Edited by ibusturcherry (04/16/10 12:54 PM)
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 13eetleJuice
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CFL = Compact Fluorescent Light
The difference is that a 50W CFL emits 50 watts of light from a compact "point" in space whereas a traditional fluorescent tube would emit those 50 watts spread along the entirety of it's length... so, the CFL coils that length, compacting the light source point.
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ibusturcherry
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ohhhh i see. hmm i guess i never realized it but i think i already have a CFL bulb. this is it am i right?
if so i retract my statement in using a 23W fluoro, its a 23W CFL! lol
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DieselB
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Thats the one, you need a lot more.
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Yep, that's a CFL.
I just bought a CFL today for my new first time grow as well :P
I need to get like 3 or 4 more though for when it gets bigger.
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ibusturcherry
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Re: BEGINNER GROW! [Re: DieselB]
#402877 - 04/16/10 02:56 PM (14 years, 4 days ago) |
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nice, i have about 3 more of these around the house! only problem is i need sockets for them! ill prob figure that out later if i decide to continue its growth indoors. i was originally planning to move it outdoors when its tall enough, since its just one i can easily conceal it in a good spot.
i know i dont want this thing to get too tall outdoors since its only april and it probably will throughout summer if i decide to keep it so i want to start training it but wondering if its tooo early to do so. its still pretty flexible so i was thinking thats a good way to start training without breakin the stem.
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x JD x
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My plant has to be grown in a closet, which is no big deal since I'm only growing 1 plant. 
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Re: BEGINNER GROW! [Re: x JD x]
#402907 - 04/16/10 04:25 PM (14 years, 3 days ago) |
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Get a couple 55watt CFL's. Thangs are beasty!
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ibusturcherry
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When is the best time to start a LST on your plant? mine currently has 3 sets of leaves so its still pretty small, about 3-4in tall. is this still too early/young?
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It's pretty hard to do it too early. You can definitely start doing it now.
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DudeTron
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Here's a pic of my beginner grow... Got 2 23w CFLs with reflectors stolen from recessed lighting, and the large one is a 55w. You can also see a little of some of my random LST. I'd suggest at least 50w or so per plant to make it through a 4-6 week veg with respectable growth... My 23 watters even with the reflectors kinda peter out on me about week 3 1/2.
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ibusturcherry
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Re: BEGINNER GROW! [Re: DudeTron]
#403621 - 04/18/10 10:33 PM (14 years, 1 day ago) |
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dudetron, that grow right there is really encouraging. can you get by with that amount of light cfls during the whole flowering phase?
i saw some cfls saying theyre "soft white", are these okay to use or is there a different type of cfls that i should use
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ibusturcherry
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Alright, here are some updates. was wondering if she's outgrown her pot yet. not experienced enough to judge the root mass to it's growth.
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DudeTron
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Hey sorry I missed your question man.. I had to work a 13 hour day on 420... 
No, that setup is for Veg only... I have a separate area which houses a 250w HPS for my flowering plants.
Here's the deal with the different 'colors' of light.
The colors are most accurately represented in terms of temperature Kelvin. So soft white is usually 6500Kelvin or red. Blue is usually 'daylight' or 'cool white' or around 2700K. Plants prefer blue for veg and can cause plants to have less space in between leaves (tighter internodes) as well as increase percentage of females. Red or 6500k is preferred for flowering... Honestly? I don't know why, but the plants uses more of that spectrum of light more efficiently during flowering...
Anyway, You should be using 2700K (cool white) lighting during the vegetation phase...
Also, you should transplant before your plant needs to be watered every day... If you feel like you can't keep up with it and you find your plant drooping and stuff, you should've transplanted awhile ago... I'd say you could transplant now, or wait as long as until you get your next set of leaves... I don't really know how much water that girl's drinking, but that is a pretty small container... Matter of fact, I'd say you'd benefit from a transplant. It's not as hard on the plant as you might think either.
Anyway, happy 4Dub bro
Edited by DudeTron (04/21/10 02:13 AM)
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Re: BEGINNER GROW! [Re: DudeTron]
#404588 - 04/21/10 11:16 AM (13 years, 11 months ago) |
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Warm White - 2,700 K
White - 3,000 K
Neutral - 3,500 K
Cool White - 4,100 K
Full Spectrum - 5,000 K
Daylight - 6,500 K
Than just compare lumen intensity between the bulbs you select before purchase.
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ibusturcherry
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Re: BEGINNER GROW! [Re: Psuper]
#404623 - 04/21/10 12:49 PM (13 years, 11 months ago) |
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ok so i bought 5 new CFL lights. but before i was gonna buy these i almost bought a 400W HPS from Lowes for only $22! i had noo idea hid bulbs were so cheap...until i got to the ballasts..$98 for corresponding bulb! got too excited early...cant afford the ballast right now so settled for my cfls.
bought 3 soft white 26W at 2700k, which im gonna use for vegging.
and 2 cool light 26W 6500k cfls. gonna use for flowering but thinking of just combining all bulbs together for both phases. thoughts? since sunlight has all the colors of the spectrum, makes sense to me to use all the bulbs together.
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ibusturcherry
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set up a new home for the lil girl in a spot under my bed. set up credit goes to 13eetlejuice, even used the printer paper idea for reflection above the lights (great idea btw). used aluminum on the bottom, havent finished lining the whole inside yet. also credit to Harry for the easy light setup. excited to see how she does now with a lil bit more wattage 
  
i was wondering about the 3 26W 2700k bulbs tho. are they actually supposed to look a lil reddish? as opposed to the 2 6500k ones.
Edited by ibusturcherry (04/21/10 06:18 PM)
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ibusturcherry
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shit, those cfls create a lot of heat! its about 95F in there. even though i dont have good ventilation yet, all i have is the fan inside the grow room circulating the same hot air. ill prob cut out a whole in the back and have the fan blow in air into the grow..or should i have the fan blow air OUT the space?
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13eetleJuice
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The high temperature values emit light that is more toward the blue end of the spectrum, which mimics the hues of the high noon sun in mid summer.
The low numbers correspond to the red end of the spectrum which is most beneficial to the plant during flowering.
Late in the season when the sun begins to trace a low path across the southern sky (for those of us in the northern hemisphere), plants in nature are receiving a more reddish-golden 'color' of light and this stimulates their flowering hormones, essentially telling the plant that their time is almost over and that they should rush to procreate; in other words, they pack on the bud.
You'll be just fine using a combination of bulbs during flowering. I think many growers aim for a 4:1 (red:blue) ratio anyways. During vegetative growth, if you're planning on keeping a plant as a mother I think it's advised to keep the light well into the blue however, if you're going to flower the plant when it's mature then I don't see the problem with a mixed spectrum.
Much of that could be inaccurate (someone plz correct me if so) but that's how I currently understand it.
With all that said... be careful with all that heat and electricity under the very place where you sleep. I'd hate to hear about you burning up in your sleep one night and me getting credit for the setup.  I've never actually used printer paper above the lights. Heat tends to rise and while it's probably not a danger... well, I'm a paranoid pothead; I've always used mylar or aluminum foil as a makeshift reflector. I know the aluminum isn't as reflective as paper but it's a hell of a lot more fire retardant. 
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ibusturcherry
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yea i also thought bout the fact its under my bed but i made sure no fabric was exposed and above the grow is a wooden top. and i was way too stoned when i put it all together and totally forgot when i told myself to use aluminum above the lights and paper for the sides! but i was also running low on aluminum due to why i didnt finish. ill remove the paper above real soon and move to the sides. good looking out man totally overlooked that!
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13eetleJuice
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I'm probably just being silly, bro. I doubt the paper has that much less of a combustion temperature than the particle board that it is covering. It'll probably be fine. Maybe wait until someone else chimes in to be sure.
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