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Re: Harry's 2010 Grow Log, 1200W, Flo, Sweet Tooth, Maneater and Snowcap (moved) [Re: Harry_Ba11sach]
    #429796 - 06/08/10 12:40 AM (9 years, 4 months ago)

Sounds like your friend is a bit of a douche.  Regardless if they were growers that's a pretty fucked up thing to do.


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Re: Harry's 2010 Grow Log, 1200W, Flo, Sweet Tooth, Maneater and Snowcap (moved) [Re: Hawksresurrection]
    #429911 - 06/08/10 12:14 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

That's kinda what I was thinking, how often do you get that lucky... :lol:

Good to hear all is well though.  Hope you are having fun doing research!


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Re: Harry's 2010 Grow Log, 1200W, Flo, Sweet Tooth, Maneater and Snowcap (moved) [Re: Harry_Ba11sach]
    #438685 - 06/27/10 10:55 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

Nice looking plants.

I saw your thread "battle of the nutrients" and saw that you ended up buying the one part bloom recipe. Is that what you're using to feed these?


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Re: Harry's 2010 Grow Log, 1200W, Flo, Sweet Tooth, Maneater and Snowcap (moved) [Re: maryanne3087]
    #438795 - 06/28/10 08:05 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

Yes indeed, I just used Floranova bloom as the base nutrient but I used a pretty wide assortment of bloom boosters as well.  To be honest though, using 8 different bottles of bloom boosters gave me results that were equal (or possibly less) to the Lucas Formula


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Re: Harry's 2010 Grow Log, 1200W, Flo, Sweet Tooth, Maneater and Snowcap (moved) [Re: Harry_Ba11sach]
    #438814 - 06/28/10 09:17 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

You use 8 different products along with a single part nutrient?

Sounds overly complicated.


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Re: Harry's 2010 Grow Log, 1200W, Flo, Sweet Tooth, Maneater and Snowcap (moved) [Re: maryanne3087]
    #438817 - 06/28/10 09:52 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

Well kool bloom liquid and powder, Bud candy, Flora Blend, and various other things.  I was basically experimenting because everyone was telling me that using all those would increase my yield and potency etc.... quite frankly I don't feel like it did at all. I'll be going back to a much more simple recipe next time.


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Re: Harry's 2010 Grow Log, 1200W, Flo, Sweet Tooth, Maneater and Snowcap (moved) [Re: Harry_Ba11sach]
    #439215 - 06/29/10 10:26 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

I'm skeptical about all additives especially the expensive ones. I've heard good things about Bloombastic by Atami many of my friends use it and swear by it. The dosage is 1-2ml a gal but it costs 100$ for 325ml. My friend has the big 5.5L bottles so I think I'm going to try to get a cup off of him or something.

I've heard really good things about Bud Candy not from any of my friends as they steer clear of Advanced Nutrients but the guy at the growshop highly recommended it and gave me a free bottle. I did a search on Bud Candy and saw looks of good reviews.

I'm going to be trying out KoolBlooms, Bloombastic, and Shooting Powder once I get everything sorted to see what's good on cost the KoolBlooms are really cheap  especially the powders. The Shooting Powder is fucking expensive $80 for 5 satchels of 65gr each however the dosage is 65gr/25gal metric gals or .65 a litre, this is the old dosage too I think it's now been lowered. $80 for 125gals for just the bloom booster KoolBloom powder would work out to 5grams a gal and costs 18 bucks for 2.2lbs this works out to 200gals treated which is 1/6 of the price.


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Re: Harry's 2010 Grow Log, 1200W, Flo, Sweet Tooth, Maneater and Snowcap (moved) [Re: maryanne3087]
    #439773 - 06/30/10 02:30 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

sooooo you didnt do a flo snowcap cross or what?? jeez asked so nicely

nicely done dude! like how djs stuff tends to be what you see in his pics/stats aswell. suppose you got a clone though, but still.

also your magash, but you dont have formal write up and he prob got a cut directly from you so course be the same!


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Re: Harry's 2010 Grow Log, 1200W, Flo, Sweet Tooth, Maneater and Snowcap (moved) [Re: the man]
    #439922 - 06/30/10 12:31 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

With my cancer treatments going on it gives me time to do some experiments and one of em was on the additives. Well I did a small batch of Maneaters with no additives at all and didn't loose a gram in weight. 

I'm gonna be doing more tests but I'm pretty damn sure that additives don't so a thing. (as far as adding weight)

Additives that did what they say (of the ones I've tested so far)

Gravity
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Purple Maxx will make them more frosty but won't do a thing for making them purple.
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Re: Harry's 2010 Grow Log, 1200W, Flo, Sweet Tooth, Maneater and Snowcap (moved) [Re: Magash]
    #439936 - 06/30/10 01:08 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

Which have you found don't work?


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Re: Harry's 2010 Grow Log, 1200W, Flo, Sweet Tooth, Maneater and Snowcap (moved) [Re: maryanne3087]
    #439953 - 06/30/10 01:28 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

The one that aren't listed. If he's done "some experimenting" he's probably used most of the top suppliments/additives out there.


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Re: Harry's 2010 Grow Log, 1200W, Flo, Sweet Tooth, Maneater and Snowcap (moved) [Re: maryanne3087]
    #439955 - 06/30/10 01:30 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

silica blast??  sounds like they figure micronized silica will get sucked into plants adding weight. they use that stuff to kill arthropods (bugs).


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Re: Harry's 2010 Grow Log, 1200W, Flo, Sweet Tooth, Maneater and Snowcap (moved) [Re: the man]
    #439959 - 06/30/10 01:47 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

Actually I'm pretty sure it's to protect against pests..


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Re: Harry's 2010 Grow Log, 1200W, Flo, Sweet Tooth, Maneater and Snowcap (moved) [Re: the man]
    #439960 - 06/30/10 01:52 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

no, the silica is used in the cell walls of plants for stress resistance, either osmotic stress or physical damage from insects and arachnids. It's the most abundant mineral in the earths crust so I think it's 100% necessary to be adding to your feeding regimen because ALL plants use it.  (although you are right that diatomaceous earth does contribute absorbable silica to the substrate)


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Re: Harry's 2010 Grow Log, 1200W, Flo, Sweet Tooth, Maneater and Snowcap (moved) [Re: Harry_Ba11sach]
    #439963 - 06/30/10 02:11 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

meh its all BS. perlite is pretty much all silica!! all soil has plenty of it. most plants barely use any silica if any, there are specific ones that do have decent amounts of silica in them but there specialized  plants. 1 silica is glass and is pretty much impossible for plants to utilize besides for those special plants that due actually use it for defense. think of rope from hemp with bits of glass. if they did have a bit of silica in them deer would steer clear of hemp....  there is no wear near enough silica in tissues to ward off anything in hemp. think of recrystalizing opal in your skin, does that sound like something that may rip stuff up as its harder then surrounding orgainic compounds.

Anyway in either case its a rip! perlite=glass= Si  use your minds!!!!

abundance in crust or not does not mean anything!!! if its abundant there is already lots in soil. some of the rarer elements are 100% needed for metabolism!!!


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Re: Harry's 2010 Grow Log, 1200W, Flo, Sweet Tooth, Maneater and Snowcap (moved) [Re: the man]
    #439974 - 06/30/10 02:47 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

abundant in earth does NOT mean that it's already in soil. Most nice soils are almost entirely organic matter with very very little parent material. It's the PARENT material that contains the silica and you're only getting that in the form of SiO2 if you're buying the absolute shittiest soil.

 
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most plants barely use any silica if any
1 silica is glass and is pretty much impossible for plants to utilize




Please rejoin this conversation when you know what you're talking about. Here's some light reading to get you started;
http://jxb.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/17/3/569
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC541097/?page=1

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think of rope from hemp with bits of glass. if they did have a bit of silica in them deer would steer clear of hemp.... 




That's absolutely nothing like what we're discussing here. We're not talking about hemp rope with ground up glass shards in it, we're talking about elemental or fixed silica being absorbed as a single molecule through the roots and utilized as a chemical constituent of the phospholipid bilayer that composes the cell walls of plants.

Also, we're not talking about the deer eating it and getting their mouths cut open, that's just absurd for you to even say. We're talking that the high levels of silica in the plant matter makes it difficult for arthropods to bite and digest.
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v440/n7084/abs/nature04590.html
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Silicon is beneficial to plant growth and helps plants to overcome abiotic and biotic stresses by preventing lodging (falling over) and increasing resistance to pests and diseases, as well as other stresses1, 2, 3.

1.Research Institute for Bioresources, Okayama University, Chuo 2-20-1, Kurashiki 710-0046, Japan
2. Institute of Society for Techno-innovation of Agriculture, Forestry and Fisheries, Kamiyokoba, Tsukuba, Ibaraki 305-0854, Japan
3. Suntory Institute for Bioorganic Research, 1-1-1 Wakayamadai, Shimamoto-cho, Mishima-gun, Osaka 618-8503, Japan





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Anyway in either case its a rip! perlite=glass= Si  use your minds!!!!





Perlite is a glass, but that doesn't mean is a silica in a form that's available for plants to utilize. You can't just drop a chunk of magnesium into your reservoir to solve an Mg deficiency, I don't understand your logic here.

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Re: Harry's 2010 Grow Log, 1200W, Flo, Sweet Tooth, Maneater and Snowcap (moved) [Re: the man]
    #439984 - 06/30/10 03:06 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

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meh its all BS. perlite is pretty much all silica!! all soil has plenty of it. most plants barely use any silica if any, there are specific ones that do have decent amounts of silica in them but there specialized  plants. 1 silica is glass and is pretty much impossible for plants to utilize besides for those special plants that due actually use it for defense. think of rope from hemp with bits of glass. if they did have a bit of silica in them deer would steer clear of hemp....  there is no wear near enough silica in tissues to ward off anything in hemp. think of recrystalizing opal in your skin, does that sound like something that may rip stuff up as its harder then surrounding orgainic compounds.

Anyway in either case its a rip! perlite=glass= Si  use your minds!!!!

peaches and olives have a gritty texture especially in their skin specifically the epidermis this is because of stone cells which are primarily made of silica.


abundance in crust or not does not mean anything!!! if its abundant there is already lots in soil. some of the rarer elements are 100% needed for metabolism!!!

Silica is most definitely a top 10 element for plants.






Although heavy metals can be uptaken by the plant including uranium and mercury would you say this leaves a solid bar of uranium or mercury in the plant?


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Re: Harry's 2010 Grow Log, 1200W, Flo, Sweet Tooth, Maneater and Snowcap (moved) [Re: Harry_Ba11sach]
    #439988 - 06/30/10 03:25 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

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no, the silica is used in the cell walls of plants for stress resistance, either osmotic stress or physical damage from insects and arachnids. It's the most abundant mineral in the earths crust so I think it's 100% necessary to be adding to your feeding regimen because ALL plants use it.  (although you are right that diatomaceous earth does contribute absorbable silica to the substrate)




HB said it. I've been using silica blast the last two grows and I've got dried stalks harder than louisville sluggers. I have no temp issues and only minor fungus gnat problems so I can't speak on the drought or pest resistance qualities though.

Its easy to fall into the "if it ain't broke don't fix it" line of thinking and only supplement when deficiency/toxicity occurs but with silica you need to be proactive and just trust it is working. It does.


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Re: Harry's 2010 Grow Log, 1200W, Flo, Sweet Tooth, Maneater and Snowcap (moved) [Re: Crusty Ass Bastard]
    #439995 - 06/30/10 03:42 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

Crusty,

What strain(s) is that to the far left and far right of your signature?


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Re: Harry's 2010 Grow Log, 1200W, Flo, Sweet Tooth, Maneater and Snowcap (moved) [Re: Crusty Ass Bastard]
    #440004 - 06/30/10 03:50 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

anyway, according you you soil is mostly organic material ie plants and dead plants! and plants according to you have "lots" of silica so soil should have plenty! the form it takes in plants is of amorphous glass AKA opal.

and yes it does play a role in some plants like a said numerous tims in my statement!! so what abotu rice!! yea mostly plants with high silica are water lovers like horse tail!! weed however not so much. it could however make stems and stuff more hardy by ripping tissues up and then creating scar type tissue just how wind strengthens stems... i dunno man not trying to be argumentative just seems like BS.

also you have saying that think abotu pure mag in your reservoir, when did i say anything about elemental Si. Glass is not elemental Si.

also once again there is more then enough silica in your soil. the studies you gave dont mean nothin. ok ya silica does dissolve in ver very small quantities in water. but think abotu how well your glasses hold up. and sure it will turn up in sap big woop. rice is not weed barley is not weed or related ya know??

man like these studies dont really say anything at all. so beans may have a higher concentration then outside solutions. what does that say?? well it accumulates in sap, so, im sure that happens with alot of things not needed.

some plants do use it! but there special!!!


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