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BlzdLivng said:
I FIGURED IT OUT!!!!  Your using a PC.  It's less then a month old...do yourself a favor and return it and go get yourself a mac.  I did sys admin on pc for 5 yrs they are POS.  Ive now had my mac for 3 ys and no issues to complain about at all.

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describe your problem ? could be anything from a loose monitor cable to a short in your video card or a driver issue from what youve described ???

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Harry_Ba11sach said:
yep. Tomorrow she's going back to the store. what a fucking piece of shit, I'm so fed up with all the major computer manufacturers. Dell has blown since '99, and I decided to go for an HP this time to see if it would be better.... WAY WORSE

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Spency said:
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Doitagain said:
prettay much yeah, except for gaming.  that's not really an issue for me, i just prefer windows because i know how to use it without any problems and mac has always seemed like its on training wheels.

My sister does have a really nice macbookpro with a massive screen and i used it to DJ with and that was quite  anice experience i must say.

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mhbound said:
A 5000 dollar PC which is what a MAC costs will outrun a mac anyday of the week...

You get what you pay for...

Naturally a low-end PC will run like shit.

Its often times not the OS that's buggy its the hardware/drivers.

If Apple were to allow people to use the MAC os on other machines like Dell don't you think people would be bitching?? Probably so.

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mhbound: Nothing personal. Just ranting.

I'm pretty hardware savy and have been building my own windows computers for about 8 years now. I disagree completely with you.

Now if we're talking about desktops, then this is highly debatable in terms of hardware performance, however it is undeniable that the MAC OS is far superior to any windows platform.

The whole notion that macs are uncustomizable and on training wheels makes no sense. Customizable? What does that even mean? How do you customize your computer? Great so you can get a sick case with a plexi glass side door, LED fans and maybe even a liquid cooling system. Thats what I built a couple of years ago...



Wow you can do that with windows machines, big deal!!! Honestly, if I had a mac tower, I could rip the guts out and transfer them into a new case and have it setup exactly like that.

Can you do that with laptops? Uhhh no.... so I guess windows laptops aren't customizable either then eh? Well lets check out some of the top laptops then:
http://reviews.cnet.com/best-laptops/

Hrmmm..... woah? Macbooks like way up there - it's pretty cheap too! That's just the base model too!


But I mean, you can customize the hardware anyway when you order it online!

Customization: What else could this mean? Does it reaaaaaaaaaaaaaally matter whether or not you can change up your desktop? To some it does! You can do this on mac too! Why you would want to though I don't understand, the dock is the easiest and fastest way to navigate and use your computer.

Also, everyone seems to have the most incredible price misconceptions with apple products. If you think comparably apples are more unreasonably priced than windows computers read this: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/apple-mac-leopard-windows-vista,1985.html

In that article, tomshardware built a computer with the exact same specifications as a baseline Mac Pro. They bought all their hardware from newegg.com + Microsoft Windows Vista Ultimate - guess what: came out to about the same price. Just so everyone really understands what that means: Buying a Mac Pro Tower (fully built with Mac OSX installed) is JUST AS CHEAP AS buying the same individual parts, building it yourself and installing windows on it. HELLO?!?!?

Apples got some pretty nasty policies and they can be assholes for sure. They really are. However, the quality of both laptops and desktops as well as their prices are simply not something that can be debated. This endless price mongering and apple bashing is soo old already. None of it is true.

Other than their airport line products, I don't I have any complaints about any apple products I've ever bought. So far multiple ipods, 2 iphones, 2 laptops, airport express and a multitude of accessories.

Macs are on training wheels? What does that mean? I don't understand that. Does that mean the computer will most likely not break down, is simple and easy to use? I actually like that.

Windows machines are only good for gaming. You can install windows on a mac.

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Harry_Ba11sach said:
well in other news, my computer randomly fixed itself yesterday.... I just turned it on and it was fine. for some reason about 35 reboots in a row as well as complete OS reinstall did absolutely nothing, but just forgetting about it for 10 hours while I slept made all the different

that said, continue with the computer discussion, it's very interesting

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I think this picture sums up to debate of Mac or PC!

It is so true in so many ways. First off is the basic machine, the above article goes on to say that you can buy a factory made baseline apple or build yourself a pc with quality parts for the same price. Well honestly i would prefer my home made pc of quailty parts over any thing factory built. The parts i would install would be true parts, not component parts like factory made stuff.

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The main reason i do not have a mac is because there is no software to speak of! Mac offer a round of nice software, but that is it for mac. No third party software. I like choices and preferences not get stuck with what is available. I know what your going to say, "there is a software program for anything you can do on windows". Yup your right, but like i said, that is it, you have no choice or selection for that matter. You stuck with what apple offers you!

Pc is an awsome machine in the right hands. Has thousands of options, software choices, tweaks, and other things. Pc is not the lazy man's machine and requires knowledge of how it works and proper configuration to get the most out of it. Unfortunately, the windows/PC platform is the most used in the world, which in return is the most targeted by programmers, adware, spyware and viruses. Windows has been around for alot longer and the expoits are taken advantage of. And this is where i think pc is getting a bad name. Apple has been around but not in public like the pc. Not many people owned mac's  to exploit. But i guarantee that with the popularity of mac these days, the programmers will follow and except the new challenge of exploiting the apple OS.

So i see the photo from hemo's post and laugh cause it really does sum up the debate of pc and mac. You buy a mac and have a solid machine because, there is no altering it with anything other then apple software. Which is why apple is a said monopoly. Software developed for apple by apple, it better be right! Pc on the other hand comes with the basic body and engine, but can be modified beyond your wildest computer dreams! And just like the bikes up there, not just anyone should be tinkering with the mechanics. If configured right, watch out! You can take that basic machine and have a top fuel dragster on your hands. Or if you don't know what your doing you could have a flustering clunker on your hands.

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The main reason i do not have a mac is because there is no software to speak of! Mac offer a round of nice software, but that is it for mac. No third party software. I like choices and preferences not get stuck with what is available. I know what your going to say, "there is a software program for anything you can do on windows". Yup your right, but like i said, that is it, you have no choice or selection for that matter. You stuck with what apple offers you!

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Pc is an awsome machine in the right hands. Has thousands of options, software choices, tweaks, and other things. Pc is not the lazy man's machine and requires knowledge of how it works and proper configuration to get the most out of it. Unfortunately, the windows/PC platform is the most used in the world, which in return is the most targeted by programmers, adware, spyware and viruses. Windows has been around for alot longer and the expoits are taken advantage of. And this is where i think pc is getting a bad name. Apple has been around but not in public like the pc. Not many people owned mac's  to exploit. But i guarantee that with the popularity of mac these days, the programmers will follow and except the new challenge of exploiting the apple OS.

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SpaceMonkey said: So i see the photo from hemo's post and laugh cause it really does sum up the debate of pc and mac. You buy a mac and have a solid machine because, there is no altering it with anything other then apple software. Which is why apple is a said monopoly. Software developed for apple by apple, it better be right! Pc on the other hand comes with the basic body and engine, but can be modified beyond your wildest computer dreams! And just like the bikes up there, not just anyone should be tinkering with the mechanics. If configured right, watch out! You can take that basic machine and have a top fuel dragster on your hands. Or if you don't know what your doing you could have a flustering clunker on your hands.

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Harry_Ba11sach said:
I need some help! last night my computer was perfectly fine, but this morning I wake up and it's completely fucked!


all the color rendering is fucked up and I have no idea why. I tried a system restore and it said it failed because some program interfered with it. I can barely even read this box I'm typing it because it's neon pink and all my letters are shadowed in white. I seriously do not understand what's happening.

this computer is less than a month old so I'm freaking out, did I get a faulty graphics card or is this a virus of some sort?

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that screen shot you posted looks normal to me

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SpaceMonkey said:
Ok, well you have a point about apple being on the scene before pc, But apple fell flat on its face soon as trs-80 and commador hit the market. No one but a select few had an apple machine. I can remember my first computer was in grade school and it was an apple 2. But where did they go after that? Apple has spent so much time and money on making a "perfect" machine and developing software for this "perfect" machine that they have not been able to produce an affordable machine for the home user up till the early to mid 90's. Microsoft has been able to do this by letting 3rd parties write software and to develop hardware for the windows platform. Which is also why pc has such compatibility issues with some hardware/software.

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SpaceMonkey said:Maybe todays market allows for some 3rd party software, but any software released for mac by a third party has to be approved by apple! This has been the case and still is the case.

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SpaceMonkey said:There is a pretty good history of apple on Wikipedia case your still in disbelief.

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SpaceMonkey said:Computers not my forte? Haha, i have a part time business repairing pc's. I hope it's my forte! And have been using computers for almost 20 years now. Apple 2 was the firstin later part of grade school, then middle school i got a TRS80 and then to a commador64 and then finally to a Hewlett Packard9( or PackardBell)  80mhz machine, and upgrades ever since!

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You must be talking aboout the absolute top of the line, loaded with everything, mac.  The one I plan on buying is 1200.

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Well first off Spency, I think it is  personal preference to what side of the fence you like to be. I am not necessarily saying that one is better then the other. I will say though that no matter what PC will always be more customizable, have more options and evolve faster. Also, Windows is just the operating system for PC.

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SpaceMonkey said: And Unix was not part of apple in the beginning! Unix was developed by AT&T as a programmers tools. Unix is it's own operating system! Linux and BSD were also developed using unix system. Not till OS X did apple incorporate a BSD varient of the unix system into their operating system. And 9 times out of 10 it will be run on PC.

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SpaceMonkey said:So i am not sure what you are after by debating me on this. Read the articles and then come back here and debate this with me! Apple was my research paper back in highschool, and i may not remember it all but a quick look even on wikipedia was a breath of fresh air.

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SpaceMonkey said:
The third party software you speak of(the iphone unlocker) is a hackers tool! I believe i said this earlier, as apple catches on people will start targeting the devices and viruses and other hack tools will develop. That's inevitable! Your unlocker is not an official piece of software, sorry.

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SpaceMonkey said:Somewhere at the bottom of the wiki article i linked to up there ,in the criticisms section it gives brief couple sentences regarding 3rd party software. And that is only a small portion dealing with iphones app approval.
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Wow man, I'm not sure if computers are really your forte, but I believe that not only has the Mac OS line been around for longer than Windows, but it stems from the UNIX family which predates DOS. Lol, so Windows has definitely not been around for longer. UNIX systems are simply safer in general, however it is Apples frequent security updates that make Mac OSX such a safe OS to use.

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Thebooedocksaint said:
I just think all computer systems are more or less as good as any other. Because they pretty much are.

The biggest reason for some of my friends to choose mac was the lack of viruses written for mac. But the reason there are not as many viruses is because there are less people that use mac. I could write a virus just as easy for mac as I could a PC.

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SpaceMonkey said:
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Thebooedocksaint said:
The biggest reason for some of my friends to choose mac was the lack of viruses written for mac. But the reason there are not as many viruses is because there are less people that use mac. I could write a virus just as easy for mac as I could a PC.

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Actually mac os x is just very well secured on it's own. Frequent security updates make it immune to most all viruses out there for mac. Mac OS X has been around for such a while that it is just simply now rock solid. After a while, writing new and dynamic viruses becomes more and more difficult as eventually every hole in the system is filled in.

It's not because there are less users. Maybe in the U.S. there are less users but I see a fair amount of mac users around here.

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Actually mac os x is just very well secured on it's own. Frequent security updates make it immune to most all viruses out there for mac. Mac OS X has been around for such a while that it is just simply now rock solid. After a while, writing new and dynamic viruses becomes more and more difficult as eventually every hole in the system is filled in.

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FurrowedBrow said:
well i bought an imac today.  Here's the specs on it:

• PROCESSOR 065-8366 3.06GHZ INTEL CORE 2 DUO
• MEMORY 065-8369 4GB 1066MHZ DDR3 SDRAM - 2X2GB
• HARD DRIVE 065-8372 500GB SERIAL ATA DRIVE
• GRAPHICS 065-8923 NVIDIA GEFORCE 9400M
• OPTICAL DRIVE 065-8716 8X DOUBLE-LAYER SUPERDRIVE
• MOUSE 065-8380 APPLE MAGIC MOUSE
• APPLE KEYBOARD & USER'S GUIDE 065-8390 KYBD(NUM) & USER'S GUIDE
• COUNTRY KIT 065-8433 COUNTRY KIT,IMAC 21.5-INCH

Now when that gets here I will just need to get a Photoshop program and I will be in business.  Also want to get into some 3d modeling and what not.  fuuuuck ya!

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