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 81renaissance
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 Re: HI with a little help please  [Re: TomCollins]
#316841 - 11/16/09 06:40 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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Spency said:
Azyle00 uses this thing called a cool tube. It's pretty neat - it apparently reduces heat a lot and it looks like its easy to rig vents up to it. He's got pictures of it on his log: http://www.growery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/303076
I've been thinking about buying one myself from a local store here. I asked him about it and he says it works really well and he recommends it.
So anyway, if your worried about heat and your working in small spaces, I rekon that thing will solve the problem quickly. 
I've heard poor things about the cool tube reflectors regarding their reflection capabilities, I would think that a reflector with duct flanges would be superior if you kept the lens in to seal it up.
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feelfunny
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Re: HI with a little help please [Re: 81renaissance]
#316844 - 11/16/09 06:41 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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81renaissance said:
We're trying to keep this place friendly and informative.
We still tell people who ask "How do I grow weed?"  to go read and figure it out, but if a question is fairly specific, everybody is here to help!
I was a Shroomery member for several years, and I have not been back there since the advent of the Growery...its chill, its fun, and there's a lot to learn here.
RR is more of a mycologist and he doesn't post here at all.
sorry i missed this too. i mean is the a guy like RR here? like are there TC badges?
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81renaissance
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Re: HI with a little help please [Re: feelfunny]
#316850 - 11/16/09 06:44 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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Not yet.
You'll get a feel for who knows what's up, and mods are usually trusted cultivators as well (not to toot my own horn).
As for there being somebody like RR here, I don't think there is ANYONE that can live up to those standards until we get a certified botanist with a degree in here! 
But here's a tip: If Magash chimes in on an issue, he's about the closest you'll get to a degree in cannabinology...he's been growing since the 80's
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BlueBerry_Swisher said:I want French fries. No, I want a penis French. Thank you. I'm so excited. I can not contain myself. Now I eat chocolate. It is so good. I'm trying to rub it all over myself. And then lick. Now I need a hot shower. The end.
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feelfunny
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Re: HI with a little help please [Re: 81renaissance]
#316857 - 11/16/09 06:47 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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yea if seen him a few times, thanks for the heads up, and for now you can be my TC. dont worry i would fill you up with  's
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TomCollins
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Re: HI with a little help please [Re: 81renaissance]
#316882 - 11/16/09 07:02 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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81renaissance said:
I've heard poor things about the cool tube reflectors regarding their reflection capabilities, I would think that a reflector with duct flanges would be superior if you kept the lens in to seal it up.
Oh shit! Sorry for the bad info feelfunny.
Yeah, I rekon it would be as well. I've read that the reflector comes in different sizes though. 
It's the only thing I can find around here that would allow me to hook up vents to my light and I've been planning to buy it, so that's the thing that came to mind when I saw this. 
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Ok so let me bring you idiots up to speed.
The admins are tired of this shitfest being made the joke of the weed community on the Internet.
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Azyle00
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Re: HI with a little help please [Re: TomCollins]
#316970 - 11/16/09 08:34 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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Get one with a flat white reflector that is with one bend per side at about 30 degrees. Do not get a circular or rounded one. If you understand angles and light bending etc, you can get a general feel as to what a good reflector is for your situation.
It does cut down the heat a lot, but depends on what the air is temperature wise to cool it. Such as mine, is Canadian attic air in winter. This is quite cool. In the summer, not the same.
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Re: HI with a little help please [Re: Azyle00]
#317618 - 11/17/09 09:42 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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OK about this auto flower strains. never heard of these before. all i see is they don't grow much but it is just 1 long bud so would i be worth it if you did a few or is it still just better to do 2-3 medium plants in that space i showed in the pic?
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Re: HI with a little help please [Re: feelfunny]
#317646 - 11/18/09 02:44 AM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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OK, with 4 total feet means you have about 3 feet of grow space if the light is cooled. The thing about the auto flowering strains is you know they are going to fit into that space. Now with a normal strain it would be a lot easier to fit them into that space if they were starting from clone. The other thing is gonna be the strain that you choose. Some are gonna triple in size during the flowering stage and some will only put on a few inches. With the size of the space your gonna want to keep to the more indica strains. The auto flowering stains will also be easier cause of not having to fuck with the lighting.
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Re: HI with a little help please [Re: Magash]
#317708 - 11/18/09 10:53 AM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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i do plan on having a spot for the clones. my wife and i do smoke a good bit and would like to have a rotation going. and there are so many more strains to choose from than when i was last in to this and i don't know were to start. we kind of wanted a happy laughing strain and one to help us sleep. is there differences like that between all the new strains. and i can have more space if need be. the pic is just the first i thought of. i kind of half ass did this the first go around spent allot of time and money not much results so i want to get this right this time. last time i still had to deal with fucking drug dealers and there shit.  this was the last grow outside but i could never get the yield i wanted from inside. nore were the buds as dense as i would like. I'm sure some comes with practice but i fear I'm missing allot of knowledge too.
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Azyle00
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Re: HI with a little help please [Re: feelfunny]
#317740 - 11/18/09 11:39 AM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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We are all missing lots of knowledge that comes from experience and research...constantly.
I highly recommend for your situation an Automatic strain I am growing called Early Wonder Skunk from Solar Warrior available from Vancouver Seed Bank (no idea if they sell USA or your location). This plant will grow very robust and about 36" maximum height at harvest, you can LST a bit to control it. It has great reviews as far as the quality of the smoke etc...do some google and you will see...it was #2 in "The Contest". I am growing it now and cannot believe how well it is growing indoors for me. Seems to thrive just fine in a soil mixture I like to use and all organic feed.
You will be looking at a 20-25 day Veg period from seed. Gets to about 8" then starts to preflower/show sex. Supposed to be into full blown flowering by day 30-35 and 12" to 18", finishing in a total time of 90 days, seed to harvest and 24" to 36" height if untrained/no-LST etc. If I had no choice and had the time, I would run the first crop for seeds, making a serious supply of seeds, then run staggered crops, ensuring constant supply.
Other automatic strains get mixed results, some hate them, some love them etc. But EWS, you will not find much negative about this plant. And as Magash said, you do not have to mess with lighting, meaning you can run perpetual crops constantly as some can be flowering, others vegging etc. Seed supply is the biggest problem.
And autoflower is typically one massive cola, but you can train them early if you want and result in multiple Colas if you know what to do etc...especially this EWS. My auto Blueberry/ak47 flowered so fast, I had no time to train them, so let them just grow up straight but they have a maximum height at harvest of 18", so not a whole lot of reason to train them. One of them is 9 inch now and is one massive bud already from top to bottom of the plant...juicy yum yum. Makes me drool.
We are so enthused about EWS now, that we have a seperate small grow room in another house specifically for creating seeds/pollen so we can run perpetual crops in my main grow room on a constant 18/6.
As far as the difference between strains...absolutely. There is certainly different buzzes created by different strains and you can find one tailored to what you and your wife are interested in.
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feelfunny
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Re: HI with a little help please [Re: Azyle00]
#317778 - 11/18/09 01:23 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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can they be cloned? that doesn't sound like a bad idea seeing as i wouldn't need a veg and flower room. how is the yield average since the size of the plant is usually a constant. is this it?http://www.vancouverseedbank.com/ cant find any happy seeds there. sadly i am in the US . and about the lights since they are not so big i assume that even a CFL would be able to get around all the leaves as well as a HPS? my wife is kind of on the fence about a 60-80$ increase in our power bill every month.
Edited by feelfunny (11/18/09 02:42 PM)
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Azyle00
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Re: HI with a little help please [Re: feelfunny]
#317913 - 11/18/09 03:59 PM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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Well I run a 1000 watt HPS 18/6 as well as a 150 watt Flo setup, along with two inline fans and oscillating fan and my power bill went up about $40. I pay .066 per kwh. I also got into the practice of being energy efficient in everything else, computer, xbox, ps3, guitar amp, effects board, stereo ALL off when not being used, prior to installing my grow, I used to care less...lol. Also changed ALL light bulbs in entire house to CFLs. When you work out the cost per plant and compare this cost to having to BUY weed from "drug dealers" or even "dispensers", I am afraid your homegrown costs are incredibly cheap. Even with 12 plant setup, 3 month cycle, 4 crops a year and each plant producing 1 ounce of bud each (estimate is low as tek and strains vary, so lets be ultra conservative), so my setup I estimate 48 ounces per year. Invested less than $1000 for equipment initially and figured I have a rough cost of $30 per plant (hydro, seed, nutes, soil, etc). So 48 X $30 = $1440 yearly plant/maintenance cost + $1000 startup cost, even at a first year total cost of $2500, ends up being $50 per ounce roughly...umm that is dirt cheap bud for what we pay an ounce in my area ($200 per ounce is standard).
And consider I fully expect to triple that production scale and the initial investment won't be repeated in following years.
Now you can do your own calcs and math based on your own situation, but I would begin with calculating how much you currently spend each year on buds, then calc setup cost and running costs and see what makes sense. Expect a learning curve and some failure rate, but by being a part of this community, you sure can get a lot of help and knowledge from other growers here.
You can clone automatic plants BUT...they will flower based on the genetic code of the parent, IE: at the same time. So you end up weakening the main plant for a clone that will be a runt compared to other plants, you cannot delay it from flowering. So cloning of automatic plants is generally thought of as a waste of a plant. I have several experiments I want to conduct however with cloning automatic plants in order to see if there can be a way to increase yield under certain conditions, massive SOG with goal of short singular top cola from as many clones as can be crammed into a small space...but these are just theories and experimental ideas. So unless you breed seeds or have a good source, you are stuck buying them at the $6-$10 per seed cost. If only there was an automatic plant that triggered flowering based on total length or the main stalk or number of nodes etc.
You can do a perpetual clone system without a mother. Just take clones from the last cycle grown when they are about 3 weeks old. Keep this going every 3 weeks. Flowering room will get crowded based on number of plants, eventually you have 4 cycles always growing, late flowering, mid flowering, early flowering....and clones.
If you are stuck with a smaller space and limited to only 1 grow area, then I highly suggest finding a source of EWS seeds, plant 10 knowing full well you are doing this to get 4-6 females, keeping 4, doing LST and growing tight, start next crop 3 weeks before harvest of first etc. With a decent light, even 250 HPS, can yield 1 ounce per plant. Hydro cost on a 250 watt light will be miniscule. I would jump it to 400 watt though, ensuring you get that 1 ounce per plant+++ level with proper growing.
Vancouver Seed Bank url is correct, they sell EWS by Solar Warrior. Doubt they ship to USA though. Not sure how USA get seeds. Order from Cali maybe?
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Re: HI with a little help please [Re: Azyle00]
#341362 - 01/05/10 10:46 PM (14 years, 3 months ago) |
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OK well i have done my reading and ready to get started but my wife and i are stuck on the lights. i have always been a HPS fan but she said things have changed allot in the last 10 years from when i did this inside last. she said i need to go with something like this http://cgi.ebay.com/LED-TRIBAND-UFO-GROW-LIGHT-90-watt-400-600-w-HPS-MH-90w_W0QQitemZ390134121761QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item5ad5ce4521. is this really as good as a HPS or is this hype? i just don't have much space with a 11 year old around and want to make it worth the time if I'm going to do this. is there a way to get the dense buds i want without the HPS or a way i can get one to fit in the little space i have?
Edited by feelfunny (01/05/10 10:52 PM)
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Re: HI with a little help please [Re: feelfunny]
#341433 - 01/06/10 03:37 AM (14 years, 3 months ago) |
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Right now I think the consensus is that LEDs are still mostly hype. HPS lights are available in many different sizes ranging from 70 to 1000 watts. I think I've even seen a 50 watt HPS grow on icmag.
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Re: HI with a little help please [Re: feelfunny]
#341436 - 01/06/10 03:52 AM (14 years, 3 months ago) |
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LED's don't compare to HID lights. Go with an HPS, if space is small just go with a 250 watt or 400 watt.
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feelfunny
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thanks well that settled that. she has made an account her self to find out the few things she wants to know for her self so she will let us finally get started again. thanks to all yall so far and i will keep using this thread for any more questions till we get ready for our first grow log, if it even ends up being worth showing.
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feelfunny
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Re: HI with a little help please [Re: feelfunny]
#345795 - 01/11/10 05:34 PM (14 years, 3 months ago) |
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so is that the problem with this? is it LED? this is what i don't want. the guy i get this from is a grower but he wants way to much for this spindly stuff. he has a whole room for it and it looks like a bunch or sticks and leave and the buds never fill in right.  like this doesn't even weigh a gram, it just seems to be leaves and hairs
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Harry_Ba11sach
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Re: HI with a little help please [Re: feelfunny]
#345838 - 01/11/10 06:39 PM (14 years, 3 months ago) |
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usually the two main causes of low bud density is poor air circulation (both inside the grow area, and air exchange with outside) and not enough light.
usually when I get those two right my buds come out fat
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Re: HI with a little help please [Re: Harry_Ba11sach]
#345901 - 01/11/10 07:44 PM (14 years, 3 months ago) |
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OK well i guess I'm out of questions and ready to go, other than my wife is tripping about the smell. when we used to grow inside years ago every one that came over could smell it. it was in a closet at the other end of the house and wasn't a big deal but now with a 12 year old running around its not a good idea. how do people deal with this especially when its just in a cabinet? just have no one over? it seems like the fan in and blowing out would carry the smell every were.
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