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 nick-onelove
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 Is This Ethical?! 
#312809 - 11/08/09 10:28 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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My grandma is 77 years old with a raging case of dementia and Alzheimer's. She still recognizes me and my mother, but anything and everything you tell her will be forgotten in 5 minutes...no exceptions.
My mom and I are medical marijuana patients and both of us have heard of many cases of pot helping Alzheimer's and dementia, stopping its progress and possibly even slightly reversing the diseases. Unfortunately in my grandma's mind, a Volcano bag of vapor might as well be a dirty, bent syringe filled with black tar heroin. Thank you 1930s American Propaganda....
Anyway my question is this; what is your guy's opinions on the ethics of slipping a small amount of cannabutter into her food to see if it helps? Normally I would never give anyone any drug without their consent, but keep in mind she is a legal invalid, she does not have the capability to make the correct choices for herself. Thoughts? Am I a bad person for even thinking about this?
Edited for spelling.
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"When I was in England, I experimented with marijuana a time or two, and I didn't like it. I didn't inhale and never tried it again."
- Bill Clinton
"When I was a kid I inhaled frequently. That was the point."
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Edited by nick-onelove (11/08/09 10:30 PM)
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Well, I think it mainly only helps in the early stages on Alzheimers, not the late ones (which is what your grandma is in).
I wouldn't do it, but thats just me.
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Re: Is This Ethical?! [Re: Cannaboid]
#312817 - 11/08/09 10:36 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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I'm not expecting it to suddenly make her normal again, I should have mentioned that because of her dementia she experiences extreme anxiety and confusion. That's what I'm hoping it would help with.
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Re: Is This Ethical?! [Re: Cannaboid]
#312818 - 11/08/09 10:36 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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I would...is feeding her the only option?
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nick-onelove
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What other option would there be besides feeding it to her? She won't smoke it, unless maybe if I told her it was tobacco lol.
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"When I was in England, I experimented with marijuana a time or two, and I didn't like it. I didn't inhale and never tried it again."
- Bill Clinton
"When I was a kid I inhaled frequently. That was the point."
- Barack Obama
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you could try telling her that it might help the paranoia and all that...roll some cigarette looking joints and convince nana
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VERY unethical in my opinion. I like drugs and i would be pissed if someone dosed me with anything without my knowledge.
And somehow I doubt feeding her pot will make her less confused.
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Dude she isn't as young as she use to be.
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nick-onelove
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Even though she used to smoke cigarettes I don't think she'd smoke a joint even if I pulled all the tobacco out of a cigarette and packed it with weed, she didn't even chew the nicotine gum we got her when they were saying that might help dementia. If I decided it wasn't unethical I'd just give her something with cannabutter in it.
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"When I was in England, I experimented with marijuana a time or two, and I didn't like it. I didn't inhale and never tried it again."
- Bill Clinton
"When I was a kid I inhaled frequently. That was the point."
- Barack Obama
That's Change I Can Believe In!
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if she doesn't remember eaten them then it didn't neccessarily happen
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nick-onelove
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Haha I realize I could get away with it, I'm just trying to make sure its not totally wrong.
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- Bill Clinton
"When I was a kid I inhaled frequently. That was the point."
- Barack Obama
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Dude, weed is good for preventing Alzheimers not helping with it. Once you have Alzheimers you have it. Its a brain disease and your brain is sensitive, it won't make her come back at all. But it might help it progress further. Possibly.
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Re: Is This Ethical?! [Re: Triptonic]
#312975 - 11/09/09 02:47 AM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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Read my second post, Trip. Also where did you hear it can progress it?
That is truly terrifying if it's true, according to The Emporer Wears No Clothes, Jack Herer says he gives his Alzheimer's-ridden grandma pot. My grandma's biggest problem is her dementia, the Alzheimer's is very mild in comparison, as I said, she can recognize us still.
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"When I was in England, I experimented with marijuana a time or two, and I didn't like it. I didn't inhale and never tried it again."
- Bill Clinton
"When I was a kid I inhaled frequently. That was the point."
- Barack Obama
That's Change I Can Believe In!
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I meant help it from progressing further.
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Re: Is This Ethical?! [Re: Triptonic]
#312979 - 11/09/09 02:53 AM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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Ah well that's all I'm after, that and some relief for her.
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"When I was in England, I experimented with marijuana a time or two, and I didn't like it. I didn't inhale and never tried it again."
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"When I was a kid I inhaled frequently. That was the point."
- Barack Obama
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I dunno though man, I haven't read much on it other than it helps to prevent Alzheimer's.
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nick-onelove
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What if I just told her it was herbal butter with active therapeutic compounds that will help her anxiety? Is that still unethical?
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"When I was in England, I experimented with marijuana a time or two, and I didn't like it. I didn't inhale and never tried it again."
- Bill Clinton
"When I was a kid I inhaled frequently. That was the point."
- Barack Obama
That's Change I Can Believe In!
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Its un-ethical to not tell her yes. But I dont know if you are trying to be un-ethical.
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Re: Is This Ethical?! [Re: Triptonic]
#312995 - 11/09/09 03:23 AM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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Well I'm trying to be ethical, but it seems to me a possible reduction in her stress might be worth throwing my ethics to the wind.
Ya know, if I just told her it was cannabis or cannabis hemp, without mentioning the word marijuana, she would probably take it. I doubt she's ever even heard the word cannabis.
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- Bill Clinton
"When I was a kid I inhaled frequently. That was the point."
- Barack Obama
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Go for it then haha.
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Re: Is This Ethical?! [Re: Triptonic]
#313033 - 11/09/09 09:03 AM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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I would go for it. Especially if she is being all anxious and shit just give her a small dose to chill her out.
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Re: Is This Ethical?! [Re: SmOakland]
#313035 - 11/09/09 09:06 AM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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I don't know man. If you tell her what it is and she is still up for it, than by all means do it. You shouldn't give her it without her knowing whats in it though.
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Re: Is This Ethical?! [Re: Cannaboid]
#313254 - 11/09/09 06:26 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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Well about an hour ago I gave her half of a pretty weak "cannabis hemp" cookie, which she promptly chomped down with no questions. She's been calmly watching TV for over a half an hour and she NEVER watches TV. I would call this a win, perfect for days when she's especially agitated.
I want to thank everyone for helping me wrestle my ethics; I don't feel entirely like a horrible person lol.
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- Bill Clinton
"When I was a kid I inhaled frequently. That was the point."
- Barack Obama
That's Change I Can Believe In!
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I was thinking about this. I would not know the dosage, as old people's digestive systems don't work so well. Glad to hear your success story.
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Re: Is This Ethical?! [Re: SmOakland]
#313372 - 11/09/09 09:12 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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I thought about that too SmOak, I just figure less is better with her. After all, I'm trying to calm her down not send her on an intense psychoactive trip lol.
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"When I was in England, I experimented with marijuana a time or two, and I didn't like it. I didn't inhale and never tried it again."
- Bill Clinton
"When I was a kid I inhaled frequently. That was the point."
- Barack Obama
That's Change I Can Believe In!
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Re: Is This Ethical?! (moved) [Re: nick-onelove]
#428187 - 06/03/10 08:43 AM (13 years, 10 months ago) |
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 This thread was moved from Growery News Service.
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Populating new Medical Marijuana & Activism forum.
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Quote:
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Well about an hour ago I gave her half of a pretty weak "cannabis hemp" cookie, which she promptly chomped down with no questions. She's been calmly watching TV for over a half an hour and she NEVER watches TV. I would call this a win, perfect for days when she's especially agitated.
I want to thank everyone for helping me wrestle my ethics; I don't feel entirely like a horrible person lol.
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Re: Is This Ethical?! [Re: FRACTALife]
#433765 - 06/16/10 06:20 PM (13 years, 10 months ago) |
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great thread!
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Re: Is This Ethical?! [Re: VaNDalS475]
#433766 - 06/16/10 06:21 PM (13 years, 10 months ago) |
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..and less is better with her
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Re: Is This Ethical?! [Re: VaNDalS475]
#434085 - 06/17/10 10:31 AM (13 years, 10 months ago) |
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I totally see everyones point of views on this. What I would do first is contact her doctor or someone you know who is a doctor and would be able to make sure she is medically stable and would be cool with the situation. I'd also discuss this with your Mom, after all it is her mother, and in a legal standpoint, she is the one who gives all medical consent. I'd than try and talk to your grandmother about it, because if worse comes to worse, she'll forget. (I'm sorry if that sounded bleak and grim). From there its a judgement call. Personally, if you think it would really calm her down a bit, make her more relaxed and put her out of some of her misery, than I would do it. I've seen my own grandparents/parents die slowly and painfully, I would've done anything I could to help numb that pain to the even slightest extent. For those who haven't seen someone die right before there eyes, can't answer this question. No one can answer this question honestly, only you can decide nick.
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my wifes grandmother is the same way.. she askes me about where is your father and im like idk grandma.. 5 min later where is ur father and im like idk grandma.. well her family grows bubbleberry..... and her uncle baked up some cookies and she ate 1.. or 4 idk but the point is that she wasent as bad she accually told me when i was walking by that she was sorry that my father left and it was sad... not (do what now) lol.. she was also not hatred cous of the dimentia.. so even tho she ate the cookies and we did not tell her what was in them cous we did not kno she was eating the cookies it in some dagree will help idk tho cous every case is diffrent and the mind is a fucked up thing..
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